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Sama, plainly the victims are lined up like sitting ducks. When did I ever dispute that? Or course they are. By the thousand. And we can all talk about how we wouldn't fall for it. Hey, ask me how much I lost through perfectly legal back/financial schemes.

None of that is remarkable. The sheer scale of this scam is.

Perhaps, by American standards, it isn't. Has this featured in US news at all?
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It was on Bloomberg News.

Long ago it was being warned against both by The IRS & on TV news..
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Originally Posted by Nick-H Perhaps, by American standards, it isn't. Has this featured in US news at all?
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Originally Posted by edwardseco View Post It was on Bloomberg News.

Long ago it was being warned against both by The IRS & on TV news..
Thanks. Just got to read the Yahoo article in Ananda's link. Very interesting. It is alleged that employees soon found out what they were doing, but stayed for the rewards.

Oh, and got around to Google. It looks as if the rest of the world has noticed!

added... worker's viewpoint.

And... Oh right, I didn't know that this "Hello, I'm from the IRS" stuff was an every day thing to you Americans. But still... seven-hundred people!
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Okay, I take it back. Any employee who stayed beyond the initial training and called an actual American target, is guilty of fraud. Now I reverse my estimate. Ninety percent are guilty, 10% may not be. But they should be investigated anyway.
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The Hindu newspaper has a report saying that all the employees knew that it was a scam. Apparently it worked like any tele-marketing scheme. whereby the employees got bonus payments etc depending upon the income they generated.

The report also states that many people turned down the job once they realised what it involved.

The report also goes onto say that many of the employees are alcoholics and drug addicts and needed money for their addiction and thats why they were prepared to work there despite knowing it was a con.
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Even a suspicious interviewee, or someone getting disillusioned on day one, could have gone to the police. How could they have kept this secret so long
I'm still finding it hard to compute the numbers... 700 current workers? How many over the months then?

How big are call centres? I imagine that Amazon.com or a major bank or telecom company must have hundreds of people taking our calls. What legitimate organisation would 700 compare to?
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Originally Posted by Nick-H View Post Even a suspicious interviewee, or someone getting disillusioned on day one, could have gone to the police. How could they have kept this secret so long
I'm still finding it hard to compute the numbers... 700 current workers? How many over the months then?

How big are call centres? I imagine that Amazon.com or a major bank or telecom company must have hundreds of people taking our calls. What legitimate organisation would 700 compare to?
It's likely murder is involved. Best way to keep a secret, right?
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Originally Posted by Nick-H View Post I'm still finding it hard to compute the numbers... 700 current workers? How many over the months then?
Nick, you seem to be in awe.

It should have been surprising if the location of call center was within US. How these things work are in two ways, if the location is within a country, the setup is kept small so that it is easy to hide and shift. If the location is outside, the setup is huge so that maximum possible transactions are done in short time.

Remember that whoever has supplied the data will need to be paid for complete data, and if the duping process is slow, most of the data will go waste.
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I think it would be spread across shifts. Since they are calling US time zone there would be a different shift in the evening and different shift in the night. Along with that there would be supervisors, managers etc. The TOI mentioned 3 call centers if I recollect.
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Originally Posted by Nick-H View Post plainly the victims are lined up like sitting ducks.
not thousands, millions. every American taxpayer with a phone -- landline I assume. I don't get calls or texts on my cell phone here like that. I only get spam texts on my Indian phone!

we have a national "Do Not Call" list where you input your numbers (it's run by the government) and telemarketers, etc. aren't supposed to call your number. It's a joke, I still get calls. I looked at my caller ID today and since Sept. 26 I've gotten 15+ calls from who knows where with dubious names listed and any one could be a scammer. more than one I'm sure.


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I'm surprised it was only 700! It was only a matter of time these scammers are in India. I'm sure these call centers weren't the only crooked ones, they're just the ones they located for now.

I've read these crooked call centers are usually set up on some far flung island in the Caribbean or Pacific. There was a massive hack of Yahoo accounts -- happened in 2014 but now just read about it. So lots more personal info for sale now.

A friend posted this article on her Facebook page and her friends are commenting like oh yeah, I get a call from the IRS every week!

Probably won't be last arrest. They will only get sneakier.

Then you can become blasť about it like Americans are, Nick!
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Originally Posted by Nick-H View Post And... Oh right, I didn't know that this "Hello, I'm from the IRS" stuff was an every day thing to you Americans. But still... seven-hundred people!
I've had at least 4 messages on my machine over the last months saying it's the IRS. The IRS doesn't call you. They'll send a letter if you owe something.

Apparently the latest scam is calling and saying your computer has a virus. Got about 3 of those messages over the past few months.
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not just in India

This is the first I've seen from an American news source.

You can read how wide spread it was.

"Indian media reports said 70 percent of the scam’s proceeds were retained by the suspects in India, while the rest was paid to collaborators in the U.S.

....one U.S.-based company allegedly collected the victims’ personal information and passed it to the fake call centers.

The IRS reports receiving more than 900,000 complaints about similar scam calls since October 2013. More than 5,000 people have fallen for the scam, paying out more than $26 million collectively as a result of scams."

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Originally Posted by Sama View Post not thousands, millions. every American taxpayer with a phone -- landline I assume. I don't get calls or texts on my cell phone here like that. I only get spam texts on my Indian phone!
Yes, the numbers are boggling my brain.

(numbers do that anyway)

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we have a national "Do Not Call" list where you input your numbers (it's run by the government) and telemarketers, etc. aren't supposed to call your number. It's a joke, I still get calls. I looked at my caller ID today and since Sept. 26 I've gotten 15+ calls from who knows where with dubious names listed and any one could be a scammer. more than one I'm sure.
Believe it or not, India has such a scheme as well. Mostly, the corporates seem to pay it some respect, with one exception: our own telecoms company who are frequently calling to try to get us to buy something. Maybe they think it's their phone! Small-time spammers are a law to themselves. Spammers gonna spam!

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I'm surprised it was only 700! It was only a matter of time these scammers are in India. I'm sure these call centers weren't the only crooked ones, they're just the ones they located for now.
Very true. In the first place, I read that this is not the first time this has happened, and in the second, ideas are very seldom unique, so if these guys were doing it, probably others are yet to be caught (or not). On a personal note, they prey, as you said in a previous post, on those who can most easily be frightened. It's the story of cold-calling anyway, but the interview with an ex "employee" mentioned how they spend most of their days just taking abuse. or being strung along. But no sympathy: they must be scum to be doing this stuff.

(How about a site where you can buy harrassment? Was reading about this yesterday... a mere $20 gets you recorded threatening calls to your victim every 15 minutes for a month. Plenty of scum in the world)
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I've read these crooked call centers are usually set up on some far flung island in the Caribbean or Pacific. There was a massive hack of Yahoo accounts -- happened in 2014 but now just read about it. So lots more personal info for sale now.
I think that most of that sort of stuff is names and passwords. They are cheap to buy, and one among many might just score with a bank account or something.
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A friend posted this article on her Facebook page and her friends are commenting like oh yeah, I get a call from the IRS every week!
I read, the IRS say, "If you are surprised to hear from us, then you probably aren't doing."

I also remember reading somewhere (Maybe in the well-known Prenda Law story) that some people (perhaps mostly bent lawyers, though) are more afraid of the IRS breaking their door down than armed police. "Hello, I'm calling from the IRS..."
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Then you can become blasť about it like Americans are, Nick!
You'd think I'd be blase by now, eh? Tourists complain about being ripped off in Connaught place, but that is nothing to families having their money stolen by imposters as they they go to register their children for college. As the 9th-circuit judge said in the Prenda case: "Just when you think you've seen it all." In India, we've never seen it all.
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Originally Posted by ananda2193 View Post I've had at least 4 messages on my machine over the last months saying it's the IRS. The IRS doesn't call you. They'll send a letter if you owe something.
I read, the IRS say, "If you are surprised to hear from us, then you probably aren't doing."
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Apparently the latest scam is calling and saying your computer has a virus. Got about 3 of those messages over the past few months.
That's an old, old one: the latest is actually locking up your computer and your data. You don't get it back unless you pay. And even that is not very latest! It's called ransomware.

(And the next time anyone is showing off how they can see their home cams on their phone, they should think about how those cams are giving strangers access to their network, because they probably are.)
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that article I posted said there were American collaborators so 700 is a LOW number! More like thousands probably!

yes, if one owes enough back taxes the IRS does just show up at your door, business door anyway. I've had friends who are servers and the IRS will show up in the middle of a service, people eating nice dinners or lunches and they tell people to leave immediately and the doors are shut. BOOM!
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