Securitywallas at Indian airports

#1 Jul 21st, 2010, 01:37
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http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ti...hink-about-it/

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Recently I went to Bangkok, and found a very cheap fare with a small Indian airline called Kingfisher....It was only later that I realised that, whereas the stopover in Bombay would have been two and a half hours, in Delhi it would be fifteen.
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so the transit passengers were expertly marshalled by the Kingfisher staff, who got us through the infinitely meticulous Indian bureaucracy - which at least killed two of our fifteen hours - and deposited us in the transit lounge. And there we stayed. Nothing but the usual plastic chairs. Yes, there were a couple of stalls selling drinks and snacks, but only if you had rupees or dollars..

I spent my remaining baht [in Bangkok's duty free] on a bottle of hugely superior hooch...[Indians] took exception to my bottle, still firmly sealed in its duty-free bag. No way was I allowed to take that on the plane - only duty-free stuff bought at Bombay airport itself could be let through. Kingfisher assured me this was no requirement of theirs; it was their plane and they were prepared to take the risk, but Indian security knew better. "Go and drop it over there," they barked at me.
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I just read the article you quoted. Methinks the author complains too much.
And he thinks the visa requirement for British Citizens was just a reciprocal measure. In fact it was introduced (in 1982?) well before the UK introduced a general visa requirement for Indian citizens in 1986. The purpose was to keep track of (potential) Khalistanis from Southall entering India on British passports.
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So this guy is an ex diplomat, and an experienced international traveller, having spent most of his career abroad, yet he rescheduled his flight without checking what the connection time was. Smart. Then reacted in shock to find that it's 15 hours. What an idiot!

Then, suddenly realising he could to use those hours to enter India, but that he had not been organised enough to get himself a transit visa before he arived, he gets all snitty about it, and complains about needing a visa saying it was "Pure mean-spirited reciprocity".

Nice one... It's obvious why he's an EX diplomat!

Frankly, if I my travel arrangements had ever been as ill thought out as his, I would have kept quiet about it, not blogged about it and made myself look stupid in a national newspaper!
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Tim has no clue

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["Tim Collard is a retired British diplomat who spent most of his career in China and Germany. He is an active member of the Labour Party"]

The guy has no clue. Many international airports make you check duty-free booze or any liquid >100ml when transiting. EZE-ATL-BOM from past experience EWR-CDG-DEL, did not make the mistake, I know some of the arguments the TSA and airport security types make, even though I do not buy all of it.

As a person who spent his whole career in China he should have know all about visas rather than rant about it.
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Originally Posted by nycank View Post The author of the blog

["Tim Collard is a retired British diplomat who spent most of his career in China and Germany. He is an active member of the Labour Party"]
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As a person who spent his whole career in China he should have know all about visas rather than rant about it.
That is seriously unfair. As a diplomat, he knew not how the other 99.99999 per cent lived. As a retired dippo, he learnt fast enough - no more red passport channels for that bunny!
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Originally Posted by ViShVa View Post That is seriously unfair. As a diplomat, he knew not how the other 99.99999 per cent lived. As a retired dippo, he learnt fast enough - no more red passport channels for that bunny!
Why ? As a diplomat in China he sure did know that chinese require most stringent visa regimen, and UK the same. In the 70s and mid 80s you could not even get a tourist visa without jumping through hoops.

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Only en route did I realise that I would be able to do nothing of the kind, as I didnít have a visa. Now why do we Brits need a visa for India? Pure mean-spirited reciprocity, thatís why.
It just says how sloppy he is
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Originally Posted by ViShVa View Post That is seriously unfair. As a diplomat, he knew not how the other 99.99999 per cent lived.
Not so. Diplomats still need visas, in fact some countries insist on visiting diplomats having visas when ordinary tourists can visit visa free, and dip visas can take far longer to obtain than tourist visas!

As for skipping the queues by going to the Dip visa line, that may be an advantage in more polite societies, but in many countries everyone just goes to the shortest queue and they get dealt with anyway. Many times I've seen the tourist queue go down more quickly than the Dip queue.

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Astonishingly, he actually seems proud of it. Shudder to think that this guy's actually been representing my country.
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Originally Posted by Haylo View Post Not so. Diplomats still need visas, in fact some countries insist on visiting diplomats having visas when ordinary tourists can visit visa free, and dip visas can take far longer to obtain than tourist visas!

As for skipping the queues by going to the Dip visa line, that may be an advantage in more polite societies, but in many countries everyone just goes to the shortest queue and they get dealt with anyway. Many times I've seen the tourist queue go down more quickly than the Dip queue.
All true. The single queue is typically for Crew+Official+Diplomatic passport holders.
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nycanc, Haylo, I stand corrected - I was under the impression all along that a diplomatic passport meant no visa required! Duhh @ me!
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Says it all doesn't it.
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Originally Posted by vinceorian View Post Says it all doesn't it.
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All true. The single queue is typically for Crew+Official+Diplomatic passport holders.
In Delhi the crew go through an entirely different channel. There's one counter for diplomats/officials but there's sometimes a longer wait compared to the other counters as typically everyone in the diplo community go on holiday around the same periods (X-mas, AES-holidays), processing times are certainly not faster and you HAVE to use that queue if you hold a diplo/official passport it's not just a privilege. Take another one and chances are you'll get sent back. As Haylo said, diplomatic passport is not the same as visa-less travel, far from it. The ex-diplomat who blurted out his frustration should've checked transit times,pretty elementary. Also, I have a hard time believing that someone who probably was a frequent traveller would be ignorant of the liquids-regulations for transit passengers. I never take a flight with a long stopover in the transit zone of an airport I don't know. There's a reason certain flights are cheaper (e.g. from Delhi to Europe with Aeroflot, some of which include a 12-hour stopover in Sheremetyevo, Moscow, certainly not more comfy than Delhi).
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OMG , just read the article & am stunned. Didn't realise such people existed.

The guy has nothing but contempt for not just the Indian system, but the entire country and its citizens.

His hatred & disgust for the country is bleeding obvious by the completely uncalled for and insane discussion about the 1962 war.

I do not believe Kingfisher would have said they were prepared to let him take his booze on-board even if the aviation regulations didn't approve of it.

The guy needs serious help.
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Originally Posted by LilBoy BigTown View Post OMG , just read the article & am stunned. Didn't realise such people existed.

The guy has nothing but contempt for not just the Indian system, but the entire country and its citizens.

His hatred & disgust for the country is bleeding obvious by the completely uncalled for and insane discussion about the 1962 war.

I do not believe Kingfisher would have said they were prepared to let him take his booze on-board even if the aviation regulations didn't approve of it.

The guy needs serious help.
Did your read the comments at the bottom of the article? They are quite apt, I think.

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