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#16 Oct 28th, 2017, 10:27
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Bah! It looks like mine and BholeBaba's relay scheme at Connaught Place has been rumbled!


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Sadly, things weren't at all funny for the young Swiss couple attacked in Agra.

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Well, no, as discussed elsewhere, but violence of that sort is a very different thing to Hello dear friend, let me help you empty your wallet at my employer's travel agency...
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Originally Posted by Nick-H View Post Well, no, as discussed elsewhere, but violence of that sort is a very different thing to Hello dear friend, let me help you empty your wallet at my employer's travel agency...
Is it? Are you sure?
This article in today's STOI describes Fatehpur Sikri* as seen by a number of Indian tourists and TOI journalists; who comment that it was much worse for foreigners!
The scenes they describe are reminiscent of what I experienced in central Delhi, more significantly the touts they met with match the description of the young men who first pestered then attacked the Swiss couple.

I described how our rickshaw driver in Delhi picked up a tout; perhaps I didn't explain that he was a large man with a shark smile who flagged us down and obviously frightened the driver as well as us. He insisted that some seedy travel shop was the State Tourist Travel Office, and just laughed when I told the driver to go to central police station. He took a lot of persuading that we weren't going anywhere with him and no money was going his way.

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* Haven't been to Fatehpur Sikri since the early seventies when it was a quiet slightly seedy run-down sort of place (as was much of India <g>). iirc the only tout was for the Tourist Office bus trip (12 places in 2hrs for about Rs.5/-)
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Is it? Are you sure?
No, I am not sure at all! I've been to Delhi just once, must be nearly ten years ago now, and my contact with the Connaught-Circle touts was modest, and in the company of someone who knew the ropes very well indeed.

But does anyone ever get a broken skull for saying no to a tout? That's what makes me think that such an attack, wherever it happens, is a different order of thing from mere nuisance with threatening overtones.

Bottom line: I wasn't there.

I haven't been there for around a decade. Funny: come to think of it, one thing that has happened in that decade is the selfie madness.
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one thing that has happened in that decade is the selfie madness.

Love your sense of humour Nick
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Originally Posted by Nick-H View Post ... one thing that has happened in that decade is the selfie madness.
I was taking selfies over 60 years ago - you just turn the clockwork thingy on the front of the camera, press the button and run back to join the group <vbg>

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ha ha, yes!
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The report about Fatehpur Sikri is horrible. There is no comparison with what happens in Connaught Place (or in Agra). In most of India there is no physical violence. Yes, I know about the publicized violent incidents in Delhi, but they are exceptions, while aggressive badgering by touts is commonplace. The two things should not be lumped together.
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Originally Posted by a_f_d View Post Central Delhi around Connaught Circle is about the only place in India where I have felt physically frightened. Even getting to/from there is fraught, with Rickshaw wallahs picking up large threatening touts and dropping you only where the touts want you. Return fares to the suburbs are then around five times the inward fares.
I have no plans to visit Delhi again.

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C'mon.

I can understand that many tourists and locals despise Delhi (with good reason too)--even if just as many love it, also with good reason--but being physically frightened in CP is going a bit far, IMHO.

Experiences and cultural differences and your sex etc colour one's impressions, a lot. I guess this goes without saying but it often bears repeating, esp when a scary news incident surfaces (what happened in Agra, not in CP).

Some years ago my aunt was showing a Swiss couple (guests of hers) around the Old Fort in Delhi when a bunch of men started following them. They were making aggressive gestures and seemed very uninhibited. They wanted to provoke, and maybe even rough up the tourists or something... So my aunt started speaking to them very loudly and authoritatively, using English. This act, as she intended, attracted a lot onlookers and so the men went away thankfully.

We later learnt that there's a Bhairav temple just outside the Old Fort where alcohol is offered to the deity on certain days and it's not unusual to have drunk guys loitering about the Old Fort on those mornings...And it was not the first time that something of this type had happened there.

(At the time I was quite surprised that something like that happened- simply because nothing like that had happened to me. Of course, now I better appreciate that as a local guy, I'm in a totally different position to a foreign tourist. ....and what happened in Agra reminded me of that incident.)

As for Delhi generally, there are just as many people who thoroughly enjoy their time here and have nothing bad to say. They prefer it to other Indian cities for any number of reasons, just as the lovers of those other cities prefer to keep away. And despite the haters and all, the fact remains, Delhi is a city always brimming with tourists and expats who spend long hours exploring nooks and crannies where many a local wouldn't dare venture....

As for CP specifically, it should just be avoided on aesthetic grounds. It's full of yuppies with no sense of taste.

--Typed from the Starbucks in CP, which is often full of phoren tourists.
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Disturbing report that Andy!
Was planning to be there in Jan, now unsure! (a local, to be accompanied by 4 more locals - but still!!)
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Having been to Delhi in the region of 10-12 times, exclusively staying in low budget accommodation in paharganj and having encountered the CP touts countless times I've never once experienced even the remotest threat of violence. Annoyance, yes. Persistence, yes. Violence, no.

ONE visit to Agra however and I was chased away by a group of young boys throwing stones and making sexual gestures to my then partner, all for having the audacity to politely say no.

So whilst the line between tout and attacker may be fine, I can hand on heart testify that Agra is a different kettle of fish. In fact the only other place I've experienced similar was in Khujarao.

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Originally Posted by BholeBaba View Post C'mon.

I can understand that many tourists and locals despise Delhi (with good reason too)--even if just as many love it, also with good reason--but being physically frightened in CP is going a bit far, IMHO....
Well, I'm not a macho type but neither am I easily fazed - I had a pub in Salford for many years!

AndyD 8-)
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That's a horrible experience NB. Sad that you had to face this. But one good thing is that the state administration has cracked down and arrested close to 50 touts {lapkas in local lingo}


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