Our Holy River GANGA [cry] Very bad condition

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Condition of Holy River Ganga

( There Are Some Disturbing Pictures in this link, if you are not a strong heart person..then dont click it. )

http://www.chinasmack.com/2010/pictu...reactions.html
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This is damn scary. I don't ever to visit such place ever in real
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The pictures (especially of Varanasi) are very disturbing. I am not sure when these were taken but during my visit to Varanasi in 2012, I did not come across any floating corpse.
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Interesting what they publish and what not,from their FAQ:

Q. Can you publish my story of a bad experience or injustice in China?
A. Regularly, there have been individuals who have contacted us asking that we republish or share their personal story of an injustice or bad experience they have had in China. While we are sympathetic to what you have experienced, chinaSMACK does not publish such stories. Please see our About page for an understanding of what we report and how we do so


One would think that what applies to one country would apply to another country
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GSG9, did you visit manikarnika ghat? you could possibly see it there more than any other ghat...perhaps a normal day for people who live there..
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Originally Posted by GSG9 View Post The pictures (especially of Varanasi) are very disturbing. I am not sure when these were taken but during my visit to Varanasi in 2012, I did not come across any floating corpse.

I saw a couple of human corpses very close-up when i was taking a boat ride, one was being eaten by a pack of dogs. KK
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Originally Posted by adam00121 View Post GSG9, did you visit manikarnika ghat? you could possibly see it thee more than any other ghat...perhaps a normal day for people who live daily.
I spent more time at Dasashwamedh Ghat.
I did go to Manikarnika Ghat in the evening and found 2 corpses being cremated.
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if you are there on (MGhat) crowded days, i mean when too many corpses come in, they do drag half-burnt ones and let them flow into the river.

I am sure the poor let the unburnt bodies go into the river as well....unfortunately, it is not just with this river, i have seen dead bodies (in other rivers) while crossing river bridges in trains...

dcamrass1 : Not sure if smog covered skyline photographs that well...so, sorry, no bad china pictures for you.

Upon looking at the pictures, i do not see much that is far from what it is today. Perhaps one picture a day might have been easy for some, but all of them at one go might be hard.

Not being bothered by those pictures bothers me, so i am stepping out to get my head examined...
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I am sure the poor let the unburnt bodies go into the river as well....

I'm sure they do. Saints or holymen who are thought to have reached Moksha are also traditionally put into the Ganga without burning the corpse first. KK
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Indian puranas extol the virtues of two cities more than others, kasi ( also kashi or varanasi), and gaya, and both are death related.

A death in kasi is a reward one can give to one's soul, and one of the puranas, that describes the afterlife journey in great detail, mentions that once the soul is cleansed of sins, it goes directly to shivaloka, and perhaps does not enter the rebirth cycle. I assume it is a desried goal for some people.

I read a research report some time ago, that mentioned that most of the dead or the ones that come to die, in kasi, come from two states in india, and only from a few villages in both of those states. Word is spread by word-of-mouth, and not through any advertisisng campaigns.

Gaya is famous for ceremonial reasons. It is mentioned in the above mentioned purana that when one conducts the death anniversary rituals in gaya for one's ancestors, they will be very pleased.

I am sure if someone took the pictures of pig carcasses, chicken carcasses let afloat, by the thousands, in the chinese rivers a few months ago, it would probably look just as gory.

Or something like that...
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Pics are very disturbing.
I have been to Varanasi and had attended some cremations and also encountered a floating corpse while boating. But never imagined situation is this much scary.

Varanasi has nearly 100 ghats, most of them are bathing ghats and some used for cremation. Guideline is to only flow bones and ashes of deceased person after cremation. So question is where did so many corpses come from.
1: Demand -Supply gaps: Proper cremation costs money. There are packages for various cremations and its a proper industry in Varanasi. So, if you pay less there is no any guarantee that corpse will be burnt completely to ashes. That's how half-burnt corpses are thrown to mother river. Then, there are also people who cant afford any package for cremation so they simply flow the corpse to river.
Government built an electric crematorium at Harishchandra Ghat, in part to reduce the amount of half-burned bodies floating down the river. But people are still preferring traditional way fearing that electrical cremation may corrupt souls and they may not reach Heaven.
2: As per some age old scriptures Holy men, pregnant women, people with leprosy/chicken pox or snakes-bitten or who committed suicide and children under 2 are not cremated at the ghats but are floated free to decompose in the waters. These are ancient practices and should be abolished at once but situation is the worst now. Unmarried girls, poors, Children under ten too are been flown to river. Anybody can reach Varanasi now by road and trains. People desire a reservation in heavens so they pour to Varanasi.

If you ask them why they are doing it they will tell you all stories. Some says there are turtles in river who finishes these corpses in one go and river will not be polluted. Some are more generous and believe that they are 'also' feeding river creatures with food.

My comment: These are the evils of Capitalism. People are greedy, religion is now a business. Poors are getting poorer. Firewood, sandalwood, Purified Butter, Herbs, Flowers, utensils, cotton clothes, Pandits etc cost huge money. Even simple mud is sold at premium prices now. People are helpless, they have to go for economy packages.
Hope such shocking presentations would educate people and may be they would own some responsibility getting mother river cleaned.
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Originally Posted by adam00121 View Post Not being bothered by those pictures bothers me, so i am stepping out to get my head examined...
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obviously the conditions of the ganges are horrific. I really have questions of what the solution is for the improve the sanitation and condition of this vital river to huge portions of India's populace. It is not only an education issue, my own personal opinions will be expressed here so i truly do not mean to offend anyone. Due to the religious significance of this river, and the beliefs that surround it, education of the masses becomes even more difficult. Ceremonies which have been practiced for thousands of years revolve around this river, but due to increased population, industrialization, lack of water treatment facilities along with other factors all lead to increased stress on the river, despite new knowledge of the risks associated with waterborne illnesses. It is one thing to educate about something when people come in neutral to a sitution, but when masses enter with already constructed beliefs about self cleaning of a resource, the process of education becomes even more difficult.

What i will say, is i find it a bit ironic that this comes from a chinese website, with many people commenting in chinese about the terrible condition of the river, when many chinese rivers are in equally horrific conditions.
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gsg9, he said don't wait for the results...just do whatever you are doing until you need to stop doing it...may be i think if the pictures came with associated smells, it would bother me more...but i have a sense of what to expect in varanasi, and perhaps that is another reason i feel a bit ambivalent about the pictures.

i am sure the context of each picture ( backgroud of how the person came to be there ) would have impacted me more...
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ganga

i spent three weeks entire afternoons along the banks of the ganges in varanasi.i did not come across a single corpse floating or decomposing anywhere.Tho whole collection of pictures exhibited in the chinese website is a total exaggeration.

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