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#1 Jan 30th, 2006, 02:33
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It is exactly one week that i have returned from India { IT WAS MY 7TH TIME I VISITED INDIA} and let me tell u some complaints i had. After i arrived the International Airport i realised that my one luggage was lost somewhere inside the airport but the following day i had to fly to Varanasi.So , i left for Varanasi with only one luggage....I always wanted to visit the Holy City of Varaanasi but the dissapointment was REALLY GREAT!!!!!!!!I stayed in Scindia Guest House right above the Scindhia Ghat, the guest house was clean with some very beautiful views to the river but as soon as i decided to walk around the ghats and the city i was really shocked by the filthy dirt i met everywhere!!!!!!!!!!I told you that this was my 7th time in India and i am used of this scenery but this time it was pretty awfull to me to see shit of any kind everywhere { human`s, cowshit, monkeyshit,urine and any kind of garbage all around!!!!!!!!!}If this was the magic of Varanasi , sorry guys but i`ve seen many magical places in my country {Greece} that are really magical!!!!!!!!!!!!At last , Indians have to start learning about the diseases that come from all this filthy dirt. I went for a pizza to the Vaatika Cafe which is near the Assi Ghat. The cafe is in a really beautifull spot , with a small garden, clean , flowers and nice view -just 4-5 meters from the Ganga river. Afetr eating my lunch i wanted to go to the toilet, the waiter offered to guide me , he passed me inside a stable that scented with cowshit!!!!!!and it was just at the back of the spot that cooked the pizzas , and showed me that toilet which was never cleaned before - i guess- why??????????????????????????? ?????Why all this terrible state of mind????????i Guess that in some situations they could shit inside their living room and don`t bother to clean them?????From that time on , in Varanasi, i almost didn`t eat anything apart from fried potatoes , nothing else , because i always had in my mind that the cookers must have touched anything dirty before cooking my lunch and felt disgust!!!!!!!!I saw no magic at all in Varanasi , it was a city almost in ruins , full of dirt and shit and urine everywhere.Apart from the Ghats , right next to the river , that caused my mind and eye to think that i am next to the seashore everything else was full of dirt!!!Leave aside the traffic jam!!!!!!!!Amazing , being on a ricksaw and from Scindhia Ghat to the railway station -come and go - i did 2 hours!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fortunately , after these days i left to Kathmandu which is a much cleaner place with much cleaner restaurants Anyone who will tell me that Varanasi is magical i will invite him to my toilet after having done my own shit and offer him a cup of coffee inside the toilet.


I am telling you that this was my 7th time in India, almost each year , but this enough!!!!!
#2 Jan 30th, 2006, 02:47
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did you never take a shit in a kitchen before?
man... get with the program

11 years ago i sprayed one into a hole right in the middle of a restaraunt kitchen in benares with everyone chopping and stirring right next to me. this was a blessing and gave me the wonderful opportunity to learn about humiliation. then there was the plastic bag on the bus in kashmir experience. a bit messy, but again it was something that i had never done before and a great learning experience.

what did you expect? if you want clean then stay home. tell me one other place on the planet where you can get this kind of experience. be happy they never charged you extra for it. right?

it's all about expectations. better not to have any.

hilarious to imagine you eating all those potatoes deep fried in that old rancid oil. wasn't there any fruit in the market? oh... that's right, somebody could have been "touching" the bananas.

anyway, you'll be back in the vaatika kitchen with the biggest smile on you face, it's just a matter of time
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#3 Jan 30th, 2006, 04:53
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Cyberbaba, hes only telling us his feelings an what he saw, as a 7 time indian visitor things must have been bad to complain, maybe you are more used to toilets in restaurants than he or she is...is it like that in Canada its not like that here in Australia, give the guy a break other visitors may be interested to know
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"is it like that in Canada..."

um... what do you think?

most people already understand a major percentage of india (and the developing world) lacks sewage infastructure. running the indians down for it seems a little pointless after "7 TRIPS TO INDIA". remember that's "7 TRIPS TO INDIA."

"he passed me inside a stable that scented with cowshit!!!!!!"

come on... cowshit just happens be be right up there with some of the most wholesome things going. india has a beautiful relationship with the stuff. not like the hypersterile westerners.

http://www.peaholmquist.com/bullshit/pictures.htm

stick to the 5 stars ok.
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He made me laugh while I'm having my coffee.

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Originally Posted by cyberbaba "is it like that in Canada..."

um... what do you think?

most people already understand a major percentage of india (and the developing world) lacks sewage infastructure. running the indians down for it seems a little pointless after "7 TRIPS TO INDIA". remember that's "7 TRIPS TO INDIA."

"he passed me inside a stable that scented with cowshit!!!!!!"

come on... cowshit just happens be be right up there with some of the most wholesome things going. india has a beautiful relationship with the stuff. not like the hypersterile westerners.

stick to the 5 stars ok.
A very eloquent point that I must agree with
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Yes, India needs toilets; the Sulabh Toilet Movement

There are many countries that have squatty johns, but it does take a certain attitude to keep them clean.

The following re the Sulabh Toilet Movement -- an entrepreneurial yet overall non-profit approach to the problem has always fascinated me; the guy even has some units that use the excrement (including cow dung) for generating electricity.

http://www.sulabhinternational.org/pg05.htm
http://www.sulabhtoiletmuseum.org/profile.htm
http://www.devalt.org/da/tsb/basin/b...tationfaq2.htm [ has a photo of the toilet]
http://www.voanews.com/english/archi...TOKEN=23272262 [has video report]

"the two-pit pour-flush toilet"
" The year 1974 is a landmark in the history of sanitation when the system of operating and maintaining community toilets with bathing, laundry and urinal facilities (popularly known as Sulabh Shauchalaya Complex) with attendants service round the clock was initiated on the pay-and-use basis in Patna. Now Sulabh is operating and maintaining more than 5,500 community complexes in 1075 towns across the country. ... . These complexes have electricity and 24-hours water supply. The complexes have separate enclosures for men and women. The users are charged nominal sum for using toilets and bath facilities. Some of the Sulabh complexes are also provided with bath with shower facility, cloak-rooms, telephone and primary healthcare. These complexes have been widely welcomed both by the people and the authorities due to their cleanliness and good management. Pay-and-use system ensures self-sustainability without any burden on public exchequer or local bodies."
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"obtaining biogas from human excreta collected in large-sized public toilets used by 2,000 to 5,000 persons a day. Despite overwhelming odds, he got the first such biogas plant set up at Patna in 1982 after almost six years of research. The successful and satisfactory functioning of this plant encouraged him to replicate the project all over the country and today some sixty eight such biogas plants, connected with large-sized public toilets, are operating successfully in many states of the country."
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"So far, more than 700,000 units have been constructed or substituted for existing latrines in houses and more than 3000 have been installed as pay-and-use public toilets. The latter are staffed by full time attendant and provide facilities including soap powder for washing hands, for bathing and for laundry and offer free services to children, disabled and poor. Thus, nearly 10 million people have been provided with improved, low cost sanitation and at the same time nearly 50,000 employment opportunities have been created in a commercially viable enterprise. As a social spin-off the enterprise has resulted in liberating about 50,000 scavengers from their enforced profession."
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perfect.

now if only something could be done about those cheap polyethylene bags.
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I don't understand. Pantelis; you say you have been to India seven times, yet only now you are noticing and objecting to these things? Or is it that they have got very much worse since your last visit?

I went to a lecture by a man who is an eminent Indian heart surgeon a whil back. One thing that he said was that, while he is very greatful to Bill Gates for donating large sums of money for innoculation etc, that amount of cash would do Indian health much more good if invested in toilets and sewage systems.

There is a thread currently on an Indian classical music site bemoaning the state of the toilets in Chennai's concert halls: we are paying for tickets and they can't even keep the toilets clean.
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I just returned from India, and i must agree with pantelis. I found Varanassi dirtier then ever (I was there 10 & 2 years a go), and I think that pointing this doesn' t mean i don't understand the indian way of dealing with this things; is just an apreciation made from a tourist point of view...
Anyways, the feeling remains the same.
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when i was in india last year i told my (indian) friend that if i was in charge, i would do something about the toilet issue. more public ones, and cleaner public ones. this shitting and pissing all over, everywhere, is indeed a major health hazard.

but, since it doesn't look like i'll be in charge anytime soon, maybe the prime minister could look into the problem. after all, since india is an up and coming country, it's high time to deal with a basic sanitation issue.
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This year I also agree with pantelis.

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Originally Posted by gollum I just returned from India, and i must agree with pantelis. I found Varanassi dirtier then ever (I was there 10 & 2 years a go), and I think that pointing this doesn' t mean i don't understand the indian way of dealing with this things; is just an apreciation made from a tourist point of view...
Anyways, the feeling remains the same.
I'm talking of Jaipur in particular, Yes Jaipur, argueably India's number one tourist destination, All around the City Palace, Palace of the Winds area theres shit of every kind, garbage piled on every street corner, urinaters everywhere, spitters & to be honest if I was in a first timers shoes I wouldn't be going back there,,,,,,,,
It's far from a show piece, I know It's India etc but a little clean up, I'm not saying sterile clean just a basic clean would make the place even as beautiful as it once was, This place as gone down hill in very recent years,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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That's very sad to hear, and bad for everybody.

Bu it occurs to me that it is not that long since Britain realised that it had to clean up its beaches and that raw sewage tended to put off the tourists. So perhaps there is hope for the future.

Actually, IIRC, for 'realised' substitute 'made to obey European standards'
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yes , dear friends , it was the 7th time and i was quite dissapointed on this issue of dirt and shit and spit!!!!!!!I LOVE INDIA AND BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN KARMA I STILL BELIEVE THAT I HAVE A STRONG KARMIC LINK WITH THIS HOLY LAND but the situation becomes unbearable!!!!!!!!!!!!!It is hard to imagine that even the budget hotel owners can not buy BIG BUCKETS to put their garbage inside and later on perhaps burn them?????As i clearly and evidently saw , most of these hotel owners are quite wealthy , even wealthier than myself { i consider myself almost poor in the western standards} and even the Vaatika Cafe owner can pay 30 ruppes???/per day to a man to perfectly clean that terrible and awful toilet each day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!or 50 ruppees , i guess they won`t pay more. Therefore what was the magic of Varanasi?????????????apart from the burning ghats and the banks of Ganges river????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????? ????You can not even sit down on a bench because of the filthy dirty bacteria that lurk for my health dear!!!!!!!I am not a sterilisized western guy but i can not stand to offer me almost shit for food and of course i do not intend to stay in 5 star hotels but basic hygiene for all of us is essential!!!!!!You know we have a famous Greek saying here in my country -Greece- which says in free translation something like that: Cleanliness is Godliness !or Cleanliness is half of Godliness.
I don`t have the intention to insult the poor people but as you already know very well even the wealthy ones spit around the place , that is not a thing to admire and adore!!!!!!!Therefore i could start farting inside the reastaurants while eating - and believe me i am very good at that if i want to do it- or spit while you are eating your nice tandoori chicken.Ok?
One morning i was in front of Wengers in Delhi , Counaught Square and was sitting in a bench , having my cigarette , after a while an old man came and sat next tome around 75 years old, looked a real gentleman, we started talking , and told me that he was of Indian origin but the last 40 years was living in London and each year he visited his own birthplace for a month and then back in London again. I complaint about all this dirt and told me Indians will never change their attitudes towards this. And apparently he showed me that he really loved his country. Therefore some of you don`t be cruel in your judgements on this topic because it is absolutely true. I even know very well that i will be in India again the following one or two years but definitely i will prefer and choose better conditions to leave on
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alrighty then...

i guess the question is why is there this general lack of cleanliness?

off the top, if i had to take a guess at it i would say it has something to do with the "caste mentality" and the idea "i'm above doing cleaning work that is best suited for people of lesser stature than i." so no real public cleaning gets done unless it's paid for.

i have also noticed that when public cleaning is happening (ie. street sweeping) it is generally done in a sloppy way. i wonder if this comes back to that circular mentality of "well... if i don't get it today, i'll get it tomorrow or if not tomorrow... in my next life."

there was a bollywood film shoot in banff, canada a few years ago. they were shooting in a very old hotel with 150 year old wool carpeting. the cast and crew would just throw their garbage and half eaten curry plates on the carpet. they were asked to leave and told to forget about coming back. somehow they just imagined this garbage dumping to be acceptable.

but again the question is why?
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