"I Paid a Bribe" website

#1 Aug 27th, 2010, 04:38
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Have you ever paid a bribe in India? Now you can report it on the website "I PAID A BRIBE", where you can blow the whistle on a bribe-taker.

The website seems user friendly and it's very informative about bribery. check out the "Bribe Reports." Some details include:

Standard bribes of at least 10,000 rupees per transaction at the Bangalore Registration Department, for registration of sale of property.

Bribe of 1,500 rupees to the Bangalore Motor Vehicles Department, for issue of a license.

Bribe of 2,500 rupees to the Bangalore Customs Department, as a “gift”.

Bangalore seems like the hot city for bribes...I did not find very many reports for Chennai!
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Run by these guys, as you probably saw.

It might be that the Bangalore weighting is because it is a Bangalore-based organisation, and they may have been getting it off the ground with their own experiences and those of their friends' Looks like it has only been running for a couple of weeks. I just looked at a couple of pages, and there are other cities mentioned.

I saw stuff that I have to admit looks, err... familiar.
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First one I read for Hyderabad was a group who paid Rs 5000 each to get their municipal taxes lowered. Not sure that evading taxes is something I'd want to publicize.
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Interesting point, who is the criminal, the demander or the supplier, the john or the whore.?
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My thoughts too edwardseco, and I think a lot of people won't report for fear of incriminations against themselves. There has been publicity about this website in Times of India in recent days - TOI taking a stand that the website is a good idea.

The fact that Bangalore had a lot of reports doesn't mean it's the city where most bribery going on as Nick says - what is reported so far is only the tip of the iceberg. It's everywhere, all over the country. And bear in mind, to report, the person has to be computer literate - millions of people are not and are caught up in bribery deals at some point in their lives one way or another, even if it's the 100 rupees to a traffic cop to not get a ticket for running a red light.
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Originally Posted by Aishah View Post The fact that Bangalore had a lot of reports doesn't mean it's the city where most bribery going on .... It's everywhere, all over the country.
Yes, --- although TOI ran a story sometime back claiming that Karnataka was the most corrupt state in the country.

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- millions of people are not and are caught up in bribery deals at some point in their lives one way or another, even if it's the 100 rupees to a traffic cop to not get a ticket for running a red light.
That should perhaps be "many times in their lives".
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For the last 2 years the most busiest govt department in Tamilnadu was DVAC (Directorate of Vigilance and Anti-Corruption)

DVAC's name popped up everyday in the news papers as so many govt officials got arrested red handed accepting bribes.

ipaidabribe.com is bangalore based organization and hence 90% or more of the complaints are from Bangalore.

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Interesting point, who is the criminal, the demander or the supplier, the john or the whore.?
Both as far as I'm concerned. And those who rant most about bribery are typically the same people who will open their wallets quickest to 'solve' some inconvenience. The problem is, once you're over a critical limit of bribers/bribees it becomes hard to eradicate. People bribe because they know proposing will go unpunished and bribes are asked because those taking them know that the offer will stick and chances of punishment are remote. Ever tried to bribe a cop in the US/Europe?

Aishah, those who pay a 100 Rs bribe -at least in Delhi- for jumping a red light are fools, the official rate is just 100 Rs (should be 10000 but ok).
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I remembered that one from years ago when the car Mr K and I were in en route back to Jaisalmer, negotiating getting out of Delhi got caught - country driver not used to traffic lights. This is what he gave to get out of the 'ticket'. So, not much changed since then!

LOL, suricate, I was being my usual non-trolling charitable self there!! And I think you may well be correct!
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Why a website... who has not paid a bribe and who has not accepted. If at all, a website should be “I did not pay a bribe”.
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If at all, a website should be “I did not pay a bribe”.


Actually I have met officials who are scrupulous. They will be ones living in small houses, struggling to find the money for their daughters' weddings. I have also met individuals who will not pay, on principle. I know one administrator who's organisation will never, in any circumstances, bribe --- and if that means a project does not happen, then it doesn't happen.

Lesser mortals need their property registration, house and car ownership documents, Electricity connections, and the bureaucratic potential to delay or block these things is enormous.
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I can vouch for the man who is head officer at our local RTO - he is squeaky clean, even fined his brother-in- law once, a challan something to do with his truck! (The story is in local folklore). I think he's retired now, was heading that way when I was getting my driver's licence, and then registering my car in my name. I might add all took time to be done, but not one rupee would have speeded anything up anyway!
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I don't know about the getting of my driving licence, because it was done through a driving school, and they have a relationship with the RTO. Despite my familiarity with some of the items on the list, though, I don't think I paid anything over the odds for any subsequent dealings with the local RTO.

I've had the open palms of two or three policemen through my car window, though.
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If at all, a website should be “I did not pay a bribe”.
And I'd like to join that website, because I never offer bribe, and try my best never to pay. But sometimes it is extorted. Here are some experiences that I remember (because they do stand out):

1. I was once caught in Bangalore, parking my motorbike where I shouldn't have (there was no clear warning sign, but that's a different issue). The cop confiscated my key and demanded Rs. 100 as "fine". I paid, and demanded a receipt. " 300 rupees please"! So the coward that I am, I turned tail, and fled, effectively paying a "bribe".

2. A coleague of mine was helpful enough to take me on his motorbike some 25 kms. on three consecutive days to the customs office in White Field, Bangalore, to have my transfer-of-residence shipment from the US cleared. It took hours on each day. On the third day the agent asked for Rs. 2500 that the officials apparently demanded as "fees" (although I was not supposed to pay anything under the transfer-of-residence rules). I knew what it was for, but couldn't help paying up. My helpful coleague prodded me on to pay up. He was doing me, a newcomer to the city, a big favour by spending his own time just to help me out. I couldn't possibly prolong it.

3. I got my Indian driving license as part of a package teaching me how to drive a stick-shift. As Nick had said, part of the package cost was definitely to satisfy RTO officials.

4. I recently got my house registered through the promoters. An amount was claimed as "miscellaneous fees", over and above the registration cost. I did have to pay it, with a full knowledge of what it was really meant for.

5. Same goes for the "miscellaneous" amount charged by my car dealer.


Now here are a couple of examples of some other kind of experiences where I'd tried to do things on my own, without paying anybody:

a). Once I had to shift my phone line just one floor up to an apartment just over the previous one. The supply wire had to be moved just six inches to be connected to the the wire to the new apartment. It took a full three months to have that done because I wouldn't pay! At one point I'd even made the connection myself, and the line worked. But people warned me that I was doing something illegal. So I had to disconnect it again.

b). Recently I had to do some RTO work to have my vehicles transfered from one state to another. I chose to do it all by myself. Everything should have been straightforward, -- I had all the papers ready. --- It finally took me ten trips to the RTO office (2 to 4 hours each day) to have everything done! It would have taken me just 10 minutes, and some money for the right people, to do it through some agents.

Friends do laugh at me when told about my sufferings, but it does have some satisfaction for me to stand up against it.

Even foreign MNCs are more prudent. -- They go along with the "Indian system", and employ "qualified" Indians to take care of all such matters.
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I think I came at the right time for a telephone. I went to BSNL, with my tenancy agreement, and had a phone in a few days and "broad"band in a couple of weeks. My wife had been trying to get one in her old flat for years.

The installers always want a "tip" though --- although it would have been possible to refuse. Airtel is refreshing in that respect: their engineers don't expect anything.

suricate... Hats off to you... I dread the very idea of trying to change the state registration of a vehicle. Why can't they make registration national?
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