I have just lost 10 000 in gem scam

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#1 Sep 23rd, 2010, 21:45
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The money has been taken out of my account and I am now in England awaiting to meet the person who will pay me and pay for my ticket back to India. But now I have come across the many people who have posted that this is a scam and I am terrified. It happened in Jaipur. Please help me! I will provide all the further details of what happened on request.

Who can I ring? Indian authorities?

Many thanks,

Ollie
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Sorry to hear that Ollie but I don't think you've got (m)any places to turn to. Did the scam follow the same method described in various places on the Net, including here?
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Call the Indian authorities and explain how you tried to help some nice Indian men avoid export duties, if you're lucky they may offer you a job testing out hygiene standards in the Commonwealth Games village, or maybe a leisurely job walking across foot bridges..
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I am amazed at people falling for such scams, information about which is available on click of the mouse. Greed is a funny thing... who can you ring for legal action, nobody.
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Olliec1, sorry to hear that.

Afraid others are right; you can't complain to authorities without incriminating yourself- if I understand the scam correctly- and I don't think you will get anywhere even if you did complain.

(See under similar threads on this page. Maybe useful or informative)
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Jitu is right, of course. However, the OP can take comfort that while this is a significant sum its not the site record by a long shot. People have been taken for a lot more. In the long run this is a valuable lesson of life and will certainly be handy in real estate transactions. Now if Bear Stearns execs had just had the advantage of such a lesson... If a credit card was employed call the company immediately. There are Indian tourist police authorities which have on occassion been employed to assist in this regard. While you may have intended to do something illegal its doubtful that you actually managed to do so don't feel reluctant to admit your involvement in something the authorities have seen many, many times..
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Why does everbody seem to do their due diligence after these dubious deals?
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I had never heard about this scam before! Obviously or it wouldn't have happened. I went to India with an open heart to teach English.

I met a rick-shaw driver called Ali who took me around Jaipur for very cheap. He took me for lunch at his friends house. As we drove in he told me about his friends jewellery shop. I thought "oh here we go" and prepared myself for a quick escape from being forced into buying anything.

We went into the house separate from the shop and I was introduced to a guy called Sunny. He was a very nice man and we talked for about an hour. I told him that I was a teacher and that I wanted to teach in an orphanage. I explained that I wanted no pay, just accommodation for my time so that I could gain experience in teaching. I am only an LSA in England and have not yet started my PGCE. I just wanted to gain experience. He told me about places where this would be possible and he said that he could help me in finding work. I showed him the pencils, rubbers, sharpeners and scissors that I had bought from England for the children. He said that I have a very good heart and that children are like God. We talked about all sorts of things, he designed clothes for a friends company and worked for his cousin in the jewellery shop. He had 4 children and a wife which he showed me pictures of on his phone. Ali then arrived with the food. We ate and talked.

These people were very nice, they seemed genuine. After lunch Ali left and Sunny asked me if I would like to join him tonight for some beers with his friends. I was in India to find out and spend time with the Indian people so I thought yes. Then Sunny introduced me to his cousin. Sonny and the cousin talked in Hindi for a while. The cousin was in a suit and looked like a business man. He acted very professional. I only ever knew Sunny's cousin as "The Boss." Boss spoke to me and said that Sunny has told him that I am a very nice man with a good heart. He needed people he could trust to help his business. Oh no I thought, here we go again. He explained that the Indian government took 250% tax off him for exporting his gems and stones to England. He had a Jewellery shop on the Portobello Road in London. He then talked of how corrupt the Indian government were. I had heard this before and agreed. He said he would prefer to pay a person with a good heart to get his stones to England than the evil government who are responsible for so much of the poverty and rich poor divide in India. I agreed with him over the corruption of governments. He said that I would "buy" the stones from him. It was all completely legitimate. I would fill out forms for the customs and insurance, the gems would be sent to my home address in England (or where ever I wanted them sent). Everything was done properly and legally accept I would not pay him a penny. He would then buy me a flight to London where I would meet his man. His man would pick me up and take me to pick up the package which only I could get with my passport. He would then take his stones, pay me, and drop me off at the airport where I would get a return flight to India. The stones he wanted me to "buy" were worth 8000 and he could sell them for 4 times as much in London. I would be paid 8000 with no risk. I wouldn't have to pay a penny. At this point I thought about all the possible factors that could make it a scam. He didn't want my card for payment, only my passport and 16 digit card number for the insurance and customs. He couldn't extract money with just my card number. He would need more details. Everything was done legally he said. He said that he was not interested in my money, that he was a business man, and that he wanted to avoid giving the Indian government %250. "I can show you the proof of all the tourists I have worked with, all their legal documents". Okay I said.

The Boss then left and I spoke to Sunny. Is this okay? Yes it is fine, this is how my cousin works. He is a business man and has been working with Gems and jewellery for many years. He sells them from India to all around the world. Then I ask Sunny when the last time was he worked with a tourist. He said about 15 days ago. The boss arrived with a brief case. He opened it and reviled lots of paper work. The top stapled document showed a photocopy of a young guy from Sweden. It was dated for 15 days ago. Sunny was telling the truth. As I flicked through there were photocopies of passports with insurance documents and custom forms. There were three people from England, People from Germany, Japan and Israel. I could make 8000 in 72 hours he said. I worked a whole school year in London as an LSA and only got 9500. Surely this was worth it and there was no risk because I would not spend anything. This was the key point. I was very aware of scams but how could I get scammed without paying any money?

At this point I accepted. The boss shook my hand and said "thank you for your help and business" and left. Sunny then said that "we only do business with people we can trust because the parcel will be in your name. I told the boss that we can work with you". I now felt privileged! Wow, how lucky I am to given this opportunity! "A lot of people are bought here and I talk to them, they then leave because I can not trust them. You have a good heart for the children and we can work with you." Sunny then took me out and through the jewellery shop into the back where the boss was sitting in his office. It was a proper office with neck manikins showing necklaces in display cabinets. The boss told me to sit down, tea was bought in. He opened his briefcase and removed a bundle of cotton wool. He opened it and there were about 25 uncut stones and gems. They looked real but I obviously do not have a trained eye for this sort of thing. He then presented me with a headed piece of paper. The shops details and name were written on the top. The boss then dictated whilst I wrote. First name and address and passport number. Then I had to write exactly what was in the package. 4 x Equamarine, 2 x Florite, 4 x Topaz from Africa etc. Then underneath he dictated "I have bought these precious and semi-precious gemstones for my personal use and as a gift for my family..."

Sound familiar to anyone? Peoples names? The way it has worked so far?

I can not continue the story at the moment because I am very ill with a stomach problem and feeling very week and emotional. I will finish the story as soon as I can.

Ollie
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It wasn't a credit card, it was a VISA. Thanks for the kind words
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Originally Posted by Olliec1 View Post The money has been taken out of my account and I am now in England awaiting to meet the person who will pay me and pay for my ticket back to India. But now I have come across the many people who have posted that this is a scam and I am terrified. It happened in Jaipur. Please help me! I will provide all the further details of what happened on request.

Who can I ring? Indian authorities?

Many thanks,

Ollie
Dear Olliecl i can not smell a scam with what you have written in opening post.I fail to understand if you lost your money in Jaipur, then why are you waiting for some body to pay for your ticket back to india, rather it should be you who would be paying to Man (assuming this man to be Travel Agent) for your air tickets, plus you will have to pay again for air ticket for back to England.


Sorry did not saw the detailed part of your story, kindly sent further details.i can understand your state of mind and upset stomach due to anxity, hope people are genuine.

BTW, which month was this when you first met this Jweller fellow in Jaipur.
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Can't you just call Visa and contest the fraudulent charge?
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Originally Posted by PeakXV View Post Why does everbody seem to due their due diligence after these dubious deals?
because it sounds so good. and you are so smart making a lot of cash while others earning so little with their 9-5-jobs.
but it's shit, anyway.
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Yes Jaipur. They almost got me at my balls too. Such a attractive talks. I just checked the story out with some local people. They warned me not to do this. The explained me what would happen next. In the past their has been some articles in the Jaipur paper. Some people were caught by the police, but many others go on bullshitting tourist, and making big money this way. The guy I met was called Sunny too. Maybe contact the India ambassy in England. Not sure if going back to Jaipur is a clever thing to do.
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Originally Posted by Merchant View Post Can't you just call Visa and contest the fraudulent charge?
Exactly my thought!
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