Gem/Stone Healer in Jaipur. Scam? Real?

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#16 Apr 10th, 2011, 23:27
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What is the old Monty Python line, Scam, scam, scam.?
However, I think this is a fine way of privatizing government functions, removing excess money from cupcakes that don't deserve it. Bernie Madhoff, you were a master at this. Long may it continue..

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What is the old Monty Python line, Scam, scam, scam.?
However, I think this is a fine way of privatizing government functions, removing excess money from cupcakes that don't deserve it. Bernie Madhoff, you were a master at this. Long may it continue..
Well said and I agree 100%.
"It is preferable to have a criminal for a servant rather than a fool because a criminal's actions are predictable and you can protect yourself against them, whereas there is no telling what a fool's next move will be.
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Hello! I went to a guy like that today in Jaipur with my boyfriend in the Old City. Our rickshaw driver brought us to this ´guru´ (he also brought us to a wholesale textile showroom, henna artist and elephant ride...I assume he was getting commissions on everything!)

The experience was very odd. My boyfriend swanned into the little back room with a strong air of skepticism and we were kind of taking the piss a little bit...especially after being brought to so many places by the rickshaw driver...and then being brought to a jewellery store...!

Anyway, he seemed to like my boyfriend and he hovered his hand over my bf´s palm and said he had very strong energy...but that he pretended to be strong but really wasn´t. He asked his age and he told him and the ´guru´ showed my bf a calculator with his age. He asked for the month he was born and then the day and he guessed the day correctly with the calculator. Freaky...but I heard there is some trick to this that ´psychics´use?!?! He did get some things quite right about him but there is still room for skepticism. He then asked if he had been sexually abused as a child which my bf assured he was not!! He also made some claim that his mother had other children. Bold and harmful claims. He said his neck chakra was closed and other stuff and he said that he was a great man with great healing potential...he just had to learn to ´love himself.´
He also guessed my age and the day I was born correctly, after asking for the month. He guessed correctly that I had urinary problems and other health problems. He said I lacked energy and had anemia.He asked if my mother was a nurse or teacher...but she was nowhere near either. He then asked me her birth date and he told me she was very lonely. I´m not sure how true this is as she had good friends, 3 children and a loving husband. He mentioned nothing of my Dad, brother or twin which I thought was wierd. I guess taking about your mother to you is an easy way to pull on the heart strings!! He also told my bf his mother was crazy and needed help. He told me my heart chakra was closed and that I needed to ópen my heart.´ He told me to work with old people or children...but he also asked me if I wanted children and I said that I wasn´t sure and he told me that I was lazy and afraid of commitment. Some of the stuff he said to us seemed pretty gendered which adds to the skepticism.
He told us to come back tomorrow about buying stones...he wasn´t pushy. However, when outside, the rickshaw driver said that he bought 3 stones from him that made éverything better´...which made us smell a bit of a scam.
I did not like the experience. We went back to the hotel room and I ended up bursting into tears about my mother being lonely and I called my sister who said that my mother was out drinking with her sister and friends! My sister laughed and said it was all bullshit. My boyfriend thought the same...despite being told that he was a ´great man.´ Perhaps being told this was something to do with how he showed his skepticism...also he was minding the money...!!!!


Scam??!
However, I still feel very wierd about the whole thing and would like to hear other stories...
Feel free to contact me...including people who have already posted.
Sorry for such a long post!!!
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Welcome to IndiaMike, Lemonwater!

I don't know if you've already seen my thread about the gem scam I ran into in Jaipur, but it's here: Gem Scam

What you ran into is a scam. Some of the things "guru" in Jaipur told me were true and most of the things he told me weren't true. If you are guessing, you are bound to get some things right.

As far as knowing your ages and birthdates, that isn't something you happened to mention to your driver, is it? That could be one way the 'guru' could know that. Congratulations on not buying any stones. Scammers can be very convincing, especially when they start bringing in loved ones like parents. Of course, I would advise not to go back to the gem store for any reason, and let this be an interesting story you can tell to your friends and family when you get back. Enjoy India - so glad you are here at IndiaMike!
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I had a similar experience with an astrologer/gem dealer in Jaipur. It is a shame that their genuine skills as astrologers/psyhics are being bastardised by trying to make money out of selling gems. I took the helpful parts from his reading and ignored his suggestion that I needed a special stone to heal me.

However my friend got quite upset because she felt emotionally very vunerable as the astrologer talked about some severe abuse she had suffered as a child. She felt unable to say no to buying a $300 gem stone. The gem stone was real and could have been worth $200 but its real value is not the point.
It is downright emotional/spiritual abuse to use your gifts as a healer to pressure people into buying anything.
the tour company she went with have severed ties with this shop owner and will never again recommend a jeweller who is also an astrologer. If the client wants an astrology reading then it should be done by set payment or donation.
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Originally Posted by teresarose View Post I had a similar experience with an astrologer/gem dealer in Jaipur. It is a shame that their genuine skills as astrologers/psyhics are being bastardised by trying to make money out of selling gems. I took the helpful parts from his reading and ignored his suggestion that I needed a special stone to heal me.
Wether they're flogging (fake) gems, present themselves as psychics, healers or astrologers, they're all scammers looking for suckers. Show me one reliable astrologer or psychic that can pull his/her tricks under controlled conditions.
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Originally Posted by teresarose View Post I had a similar experience with an astrologer/gem dealer in Jaipur. It is a shame that their genuine skills as astrologers/psyhics are being bastardised by trying to make money out of selling gems. I took the helpful parts from his reading and ignored his suggestion that I needed a special stone to heal me.
Skills are learnt, so are tricks to separate your monies from you. Having said that, astrologers exist because there are suckers in this world. Whether it is Jaipur or Budapest or Brasov; an old man with wrinkled face or a BBW, they are making a living off your insecurities

IM, over the long run has a better record at prediction, than a mouse on a wheel; or parrot with a card.
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Originally Posted by DaisyL View Post If you are guessing, you are bound to get some things right.
Not much guessing involved really, cold reading is a fairly reliable skill that 'psychics' use to separate vulnerable, naive people from their money.
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Good point, Shiver me Timbers. You're right, that could explain some of the information that the psychic seems to know about you.

I do have to say that "guru", the guy who tried to scam me, wasn't that good at guessing and probably didn't do cold reading very well either. He told me that he could see the 20% violet from my aura right across my t-shirt. I was wearing a kurti that day.
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Gem scam in Jaipur

Hello!
My BF and myself came across the same guy a couple of days ago in Jaipur. Our driver Abdul (same guy DaisyL wrote about) brought us and I am now pretty sure that they work together and that it's all a set-up.
So many things I read in this thread happened to me and my BF as well.
He told me I was blocked with my throat chakra and I needed to buy a stone worth EUR 325, or a smaller one for approx. Eur 170 along with a mantra. He said the following things to us
- you are a perfect match however, you need to communicate more
- My BF had an amazing top head chakra and he needed to be self-employed
- I have a close connection with my mother and needed to forgive and help her
- I would be a better mother than her
- I needed to think less and express more feelings
- I am a soft person with a huge cold mask who needs to work with either children or elderly people
- that I had been sexually abused in my past (not true, I told him and that was the only time he got kind of getting insecure)
- he predicted my BF's birthday (for sure Abdul told him)

All in all, he was really not a nice guy or anything, he was acting all cold and arrogant, told us "I am not here to attend any stupid tourist". It was an interesting experience and I am glad that we did not buy anything from this guy. It even makes me angry with our driver, who drove us to so many places where we were supposed to buy sth after.
I think that Psychology is such a great field and so interesting to dig into however, this guy really plays with people's feelings which is not cool. Thanks for all your postings I am now feeling better after this disturbing experience back in Jaipur.

Cheers!
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Welcome to IndiaMike, Supertess!

Yes, I'm sure that your driver was the same one and that your scammer was, as well. The arrogance sounds very familiar! I'm glad that you didn't buy anything from him, and by posting your experience, you have maybe helped someone else. They may be sitting in a jewelry store in Jaipur in the future and remember reading about what happened to you, and then realize that it is a scam. I agree that they play with people's feelings and try to make money from that. Not nice people at all! Thanks for sharing your experience!
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Thank you so much for the warm welcome DaisyL!

I have just returned from India and I had an amazing time....I am not ready to be home!!

We inevitably encountered more scams but none as psychologically messed up as the 'guru' gem scam. I'm laughing at it now to be honest, and telling the story to my family and friends...but I could not sleep for three nights after we met the 'guru'!! I cannot believe how much I let it affect me. He had been pretty negative towards us, especially to me...though I did have quite an attitude with him. I didn't like him from as soon as he walked in...such arrogance!In hindsight, we were chatting to the rickshaw driver a lot...so he had a lot of info to give to the 'guru'. A lot of the stuff was quite gendered also; he asked me and not my bf if I wanted kids and called me lazy and afraid of commitment when I said no, he said I should teach kids, he guessed wrongly that my mother was a nurse or teacher (nursing and teaching being rather common female profession), he guessed correctly that I had urinary tract problems (extremely common in women), he said that I was anemic and had no energy (again, common in women), he said I would have problems with my weight (many women do, though I never have as of yet). He said my bf needed to work on his communication (a common thing said to men) and that he thought he was strong but was not. It is crazy how they seem to throw the sexual abuse thing around. Teresarose...it seemed that he struck lucky with your poor friend who actually HAD been abused.
I wonder if I had the same 'guru'. My driver's name was Ali...there could be a few drivers working with him...or a few very similar 'gurus' that say similar things to mess with your mind. Sounds kinda weird but he kinda reminded me of the gameshow host in the film Slumdog Millionaire!!

I do not believe that these men have any real powers...and if they did...surely they would not use them for this purpose.

Thank you for sharing your experiences with me!! I feel much better now and I am so glad others do too. It could be a potentially trip ruining experience for some people.
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I'm really happy that you are able to laugh about it now and that you had an amazing time in India! This sounds like the same guru (the one who tried to scam me was only called "guru", no other name). And the arrogance from 'guru' was really extreme. I'm not sure if that's part of the act or if he really is that arrogant. Yes, the one who almost scammed me did look like the host in Slumdog Millionaire! I'll bet it was the same guy.

My driver's name was Khan, and I know he was in on this. There probably are more than just a few drivers who work with 'guru'.

Thanks for sharing the things that he told you, it's easy to see that, as you said, many of the things he told you are gendered and common to many people. Nothing to show that he has any "powers" at all. Thanks for sharing your experience, I'm sure it will help someone else. I'm so glad that it didn't ruin your trip!!
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Originally Posted by Lemonwater View Post he asked me and not my bf if I wanted kids and called me lazy and afraid of commitment when I said no
This is common in India, not just from pseudo-spiritual scammers! I've been told this by friends, acquaintances and perfect strangers making casual conversation in India for the past 15 years.

"Your country madam! You are married? How many children? Why not? Oh, no, you must want children!" And then a long lecture begins.
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Yep!

I still cannot believe that I let it get to me so much...! Usually, I am utterly skeptical to that kinda 'guru' lark, but it really messed with my head for awhile! I know many people who really believe in gem healers etc. who could be severely affected by a 'reading' like that. Thus, I am so glad this thread exists so we can help others...and have a bit of a laugh and a scoff about it!! It REALLY helped me on my sleepless night the day of the scam when I frantically searched the internet for information!!
Being scammed out of money or being robbed is awful...but this sort of scam has the potential to really mess somebody up!

Yes DaisyL, it REALLY sounds like the same guy! He also told us (arrogantly) that he had visited 200 countries (including mine...a country he apparently did not like).

My driver's name was Ali. I did some more researching and found others who were brought to the same guru by the same driver!!

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