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DaisyL Aug 8th, 2011 23:49

Gem Scam
 
Here is the scam I ran into in Jaipur. My driver said he wanted to take me to see his guru (as far as Iím concerned, my driver is part of the scam and should not be trusted. His name is Khan). Khan is Muslim, and as far as I know, Muslims do not have gurus. I could be wrong. Guru (no other name, just guru) is half Indian and half Canadian. He is only in India three months out of the year, and lucky me, he was in India the same time I was. Khan asked me if I wanted my fortune told. I had my palm read in Bikaner last year and the palm reader nailed my past perfectly. The future things he told me havenít happened, but they still could. I thought it would be great to have my future told, so I said yes.

We pull up outside of a gem store, and I instantly know what is going on. I know that I will be told that my health and/or happiness will depend on my buying gems from guru. This is something I read about on IndiaMike. I realize at once that I am in for a scam, but I think it will be interesting to go ahead with it.

I am told to wait in a gem room for guru. He comes in with this haughty look like heís better than everyone else. I already know what will probably happen, so I wait for it to unfold. He asks my name and then explains chakras to me. This is the aligning of energy places on your body. This is a belief that many people have, and it upsets me that guru uses this belief to scare people into giving him money. This makes him no better than a tele-evangelist in America. The message can be good for believers, but when someone takes the message and uses it for their own profit, they are scammers.

I asked about his reading my future and was told that he could do a complete astrological chart for me, but it would take 48 hours. I didnít have 48 hours, and I had a feeling it would be really expensive, and I already knew he was a fraud, so I gave up on that. He said he could read my aura. I told him that would be good, but Iím not buying any gems. He seemed a little surprised, and told me that it is up to me, but after people hear what he has to say, they usually ask what they can do to correct their problems. He himself wears a corrective gem. I told him that is all very nice, but Iím not buying any gems.

He tells me that my aura is large and it is blue. Itís 80% blue and 20% violet. He says that the violet is right there across my t-shirt (Iím wearing a kurti). He said that the violet should not be there and itís causing me problems in life. Just by hearing about this, the 20% will grow and if I donít correct it, I can land in the hospital. He asked if my hands were clean and then put a gem in my right hand. He said, ďSomeone in your family has been sick.Ē I said, ďUmÖyes.Ē He asked who has been sick and I said my mother. He asked which sickness and I said cancer. He said that when my mother was pregnant with me someone was draining her energy, and then the energy from me. I have always had unbalanced chakras, but it gets worse as I get older. My motherís cancer is from unbalanced chakras which could be corrected with the correct gems. If I donít fix my chakras, Iíll be sick, too.

Here are the problems I have now that will get worse if I donít get them corrected with gems.

1. Sometimes I have a lot of energy and sometimes I donít.
2. Sometimes I eat a lot and sometimes I donít eat much at all.
3. My divorce was caused by the fact that sometimes I am up and sometimes I am down and it was hard for my husband to understand me. This also makes relationships hard for me.
4. While I claim to be creative now, that will diminish if I donít correct the violet in my aura.
5. I have problems with communication that will get worse if I donít correct the violet in my aura.
6. I have pain in my shoulders, knees, lower back, and ankles which will increase unless I correct the violet in my aura.

Here is how he did:

1. Yes, just like everyone else.
2. Yes, just like everyone else.
3. Not even close.
4. I am creative, and I feel most people are, whether they recognize it or not. I donít feel in danger of losing my creativity.
5. Yes, communication has always been a problem for me, and is something I should probably work on.
6. No, while I sometimes have some pain in my right knee, I didnít in while I was in India, and itís not really a problem.

I told him that some of the things he said were true, and some were not. But Iím not afraid of life, I am not going to live in fear because life is full of ups and downs. I will probably be in the hospital at some time, I will probably get sick, and surely at some point I will die. Right now Iím very happy with my life. I donít need any gems.

He was not happy with what I said. He said, ďIf you donít want to correct your chakras, thatís your choice. But you must not tell anyone what was said here. If you do, you will end up with big trouble. The violet in your aura will grow at an amazing speed and you will end up in the hospital. Thatís not me that says that, that is the way it is.Ē

I know this scam has been reported here before, but I have not seen what the guru has told people before. I wanted everyone to see what guru told me. I don't know if it's the same for every person or not, but parts of it are very generic. Thanks to IndiaMike, I know this scam and did not even come close to buying any gems.

machadinha Aug 8th, 2011 23:53

Ah, yes, the http://www.indiamike.com/india/scams...m-scam-t10754/... (and contrary to that title, it extends over no small parts of Asia of course, and probably beyond).

They have something called "balletje-balletje" where I live; "ballie-ballie," you know, involving three cups and a little ball. No, you never win, though you typically will at first, to get you going.

Anyway, it certainly deserves a decent reminder sometimes. So, thanks :)

DaisyL Aug 9th, 2011 00:02

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Originally Posted by machadinha (Post 1239727)
They have something called "balletje-balletje" where I live; "ballie-ballie," you know, involving three cups and a little ball. No, you never win, though you typically will at first, to get you going.

Yes, I know that game. I've never seen it other than in movies, but you're right, you don't win.

machadinha Aug 9th, 2011 00:08

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Originally Posted by DaisyL (Post 1239735)
Yes, I know that game. I've never seen it other than in movies

True, to be honest, I don't see it a lot here anymore, either; used to be quite common for a while.

The gems + someone "reading" you would seem like a clever addition, no. Someone once left a similar report, of course involving them "paying as you please" (plus some undefined orphanage thrown into the mix -- one might ask oneself what does that have to do with either my chakras or a personal healing stone, I guess, but I'm really not making fun of it, it's easy to get dragged along) -- but it of course being clear that ought not be too little: http://www.indiamike.com/india/scams...-real-t114967/

(Come to think of it, hm, Jaipur, and rebalancing your chakras and stuff -- sounds oddly familiar, no?)

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Originally Posted by DaisyL (Post 1239724)
“If you don’t want to correct your chakras, that’s your choice. But you must not tell anyone what was said here.

Guess maybe the guy reads IndiaMike? ;) :rofl: <-- Laughing at the thought of it, Daisy, not at you. These folks can be so convincing, no, I've gotten very close to falling for it myself.

DaisyL Aug 9th, 2011 00:16

Thanks for showing me that thread, machadinha. Yes, when he had his energy read, that would probably be the same as having my aura read. I didn't even ask about the gem prices, but I couldn't have paid 150 USD for gems. [whoa]

Yes, when guru told me that I couldn't tell anyone what was said there, what else could I do but go on IndiaMike and tell everyone? :)

suricate Aug 9th, 2011 00:53

How come My Name is Khan didn't work this time?! ;)
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DaisyL Aug 9th, 2011 00:55

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Originally Posted by suricate (Post 1239764)
How come My Name is Khan didn't work this time?! ;)
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And I'm not a terrorist. :)

NYTim Aug 9th, 2011 00:58

Idiot
 
Knowing better I waltzed into a travel agent in New Delhi. Idiot me. What an experience. Once I decided I did not need their services, I started to walk out. A man blocked the entrance and told me I HAVE to book tours with this agency as it was against the law to use any other means of getting around. Strange logic indeed. I pushed him aside and walked out but he followed me for at least 100 yards shouting, "Saar,saar, why are you so hostile? I said two words to him first one starts with an F ends in K and U and C are in the middle followed by off. This was not enough so I strode into the State Emporium on Janpath and he gave up his pursuit or so I thought. When I came out after an hour he accosted me again. I descended into the Metro at Connaught Place, and I never saw him again. I realized that this tactic must work some of the time or he would have abandoned his pursuit.

DaisyL Aug 9th, 2011 01:02

Oh my gosh! [whoa]

Talk about intimidation! He followed you, that is scary! I'm glad you walked away and didn't see him again.

PeakXV Aug 9th, 2011 01:04

That's appalling to hear about the depths that these scoundrels will go to make a quick buck.:mad::mad:

Imagine/behold - the balls - the desperation - attempting to lay some kind of a voodoo-whammy -black cloud over a traveler's conscience - should they not overpay for one of their phony piece-of-junk stones.:ThumbsDow:ThumbsDow :ThumbsDow

machadinha Aug 9th, 2011 01:08

Can't say it surprises me. Not after having traveled in India.

Once you get used to it, it's mostly a laugh. Can be more difficult before, or sometimes even after. (I mean I'll still run into it from time to time, and don't always find it so easy to extract myself from it. And no few of you are far more well-traveled there than I am.)

Let me add btw I ran into very little nonsense on my last two two-month trips, these past two years. Depends a little on what you exude, and where you go, no doubt. But so I'm equally tired of this "They're all out to con you" kind of idea with no few. No, the way I've found it, they're really not. Amazingly hospitable and generous and forthcoming people, for the most part, really.

DaisyL Aug 9th, 2011 01:15

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Originally Posted by PeakXV (Post 1239773)
That's appalling to hear about the depths that these scoundrels will go to make a quick buck.:mad::mad:

Imagine/behold - the balls - the desperation - attempting to lay some kind of a voodoo-whammy -black cloud over a traveler's conscience - should they not overpay for one of their phony piece-of-junk stones.:ThumbsDow:ThumbsDow :ThumbsDow

Yes, I can only imagine how much he charges for his gems (read: phony piece-of-junk stones). I would guess that the more worried the person is, the more he would charge for them.

DaisyL Aug 9th, 2011 01:19

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Originally Posted by machadinha (Post 1239776)
Amazingly hospitable and generous and forthcoming people, for the most part, really.

I agree with this, machadinha! Most of the people I've met in India are wonderful. I enjoy talking to them, and they are willing to help me when I need it. I love India, and the people are the reason why I hope to continue traveling there. A few people tried to scam me, but many, many more were very nice to me. :)

Nick-H Aug 9th, 2011 01:28

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He said, “If you don’t want to correct your chakras, that’s your choice. But you must not tell anyone what was said here. If you do, you will end up with big trouble. The violet in your aura will grow at an amazing speed and you will end up in the hospital. That’s not me that says that, that is the way it is.”
What a shame you didn't manage to get a photo of him. You could have posted that too!

I think this is a hard, manipulative, emotionally-blackmailing and thoroughly nasty way of selling. It is not quite like the milk the credit card with a fake parcel type of scam. Strange to tell, he's hawking a product that some people actually want, and with, with one sort of wrapper or another, they are buying all over the world.

Nicely played. I'm just disappointed that you didn't manage to sell him ...an overpriced railway ticket! :laugh:

DaisyL Aug 9th, 2011 01:31

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Originally Posted by Nick-H (Post 1239794)
Nicely played. I'm just disappointed that you didn't manage to sell him ...an overpriced railway ticket! :laugh:

:rofl: Good one! That's exactly what I should have done.


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