Gem Scam

#31 Aug 9th, 2011, 23:51
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Anyone who can handle a double-glazing salesman or a jehova's witness at the door can handle a rug salesman. And if they fail, they get a rug, and it costs some money.
Women, generally, are good at that. It is adults I'm talking about!


'Your ticket is bogus - we'll need to change it', 'your future is in jeopardy unless you buy this...', do you not like Indians?, 'I need to make a sale to feed my family'. You don't usually get these kind of gambits in western shops.

Unfortunately, it's the more newbie compassionate/naive 'adults' that are most susceptible to these kind of emotional/scare tactics & Jaipur, Delhi & Agra operate these 'games' on a totally different level than the rest of India.

Totally harmless for the majority of us ..... but potentially trip changing & not in a good way for some.
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#32 Oct 19th, 2012, 18:23
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Same Scam - Driver Lucky

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I had to post here, I even registered just to post here on this thread because last night the exact same scam happened to me, thankfully i did not part with my money. Basically I met a rickshaw driver outside my hotel who started talking to me, I politely ignored him but he said he wasn't selling anything and as he wasn't I joined him for chai. I told him about a jeweller my driver had taken me to who read my palm and advised on a gem. A lot of what this "palmist" said was very negative. Lucky (this guy, a rickshaw driver as it turned out) offered to take me to his Guru the next day for an astrology reading. He brought me there and the story is exactly the same as Daisy. Everything he told me is exactly what he told her, exactly, word for word. But he added that I would have trouble conceiveing. Then he offered to make me a pendent for 40000 rupees, yes 40000, as in about 600 Euro. I said this was way above my budget and he offered 5000 for a different, smaller stone. I said no and left. Thankfully when I got back to the hotel I found this thread.

I don't mind the textile stores etc, but to play on someones insecurities like that is going beyond the usual scam. Thankfully I did not fall for it.
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I had to post here, I even registered just to post here on this thread because last night the exact same scam happened to me, thankfully i did not part with my money. Basically I met a rickshaw driver outside my hotel who started talking to me, I politely ignored him but he said he wasn't selling anything and as he wasn't I joined him for chai. I told him about a jeweller my driver had taken me to who read my palm and advised on a gem. A lot of what this "palmist" said was very negative. Lucky (this guy, a rickshaw driver as it turned out) offered to take me to his Guru the next day for an astrology reading. He brought me there and the story is exactly the same as Daisy. Everything he told me is exactly what he told her, exactly, word for word. But he added that I would have trouble conceiveing. Then he offered to make me a pendent for 40000 rupees, yes 40000, as in about 600 Euro. I said this was way above my budget and he offered 5000 for a different, smaller stone. I said no and left. Thankfully when I got back to the hotel I found this thread.

I don't mind the textile stores etc, but to play on someones insecurities like that is going beyond the usual scam. Thankfully I did not fall for it.
Welcome to IndiaMike, magicmatilda!

I am really glad to hear that you didn't fall for the gem scam. Wow, he said the same thing to both of us, except that he told you would have trouble conceiving (unless you buy a gem, of course). I don't think I told guru that I have a daughter, but I did tell Khan. I'm sure that when I was by myself waiting for guru, he was discussing with Khan what I told him.

I wondered how much the gems cost - and wow! Even if I would have wanted a gem, I wouldn't been able to afford one. I wouldn't have even considered the smaller, cheaper one.

I agree with your assessment of this scam - the fact that they are playing on people's emotions and insecurities is what makes this scam so awful. Thanks for naming your rickshaw driver. He's as guilty as the guru is. I'm glad you came on to tell everyone of your experience. I think it's important that people know about this scam so they might not fall for it, even if they are jet lagged or overwhelmed at being in India. Maybe if they are taken to the gem shop to meet guru, they will remember your story and not buy anything. Thanks, magicmatilda!

Nick - great video!!
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The old you need to buy this to clear out the bad juju scam. I had a Fortune Teller in New York try this one. It was crystals you could buy $150 or more depending.

Got to watch the dodgy here. They can get violent. Met a person today that was caught and held against his will. They were trying to get him to pay to go to Kashmir. He escaped them the first time, and on the second time through New Delhi and Pahar Ganj was when they jumped him and held him in a guest house room. He made so much noise they let him go. They kept on acting like he was the one in trouble, and they would get the police.

FYI There are Jaipur Gem Scammers of all sorts all over. I know of one fellow, Ram Sharma, who works Manali in summer, and either Trivandrum or Goa in the winter. Met that one my first trip. They try to act all friendly, and then they ask you for money one way or the other. Just say no. It is the best bet.
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#36 Jan 27th, 2013, 02:36
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Originally Posted by McAlpine View Post Got to watch the dodgy here. They can get violent. Met a person today that was caught and held against his will. They were trying to get him to pay to go to Kashmir. He escaped them the first time, and on the second time through New Delhi and Pahar Ganj was when they jumped him and held him in a guest house room. He made so much noise they let him go. They kept on acting like he was the one in trouble, and they would get the police.

FYI There are Jaipur Gem Scammers of all sorts all over. I know of one fellow, Ram Sharma, who works Manali in summer, and either Trivandrum or Goa in the winter. Met that one my first trip. They try to act all friendly, and then they ask you for money one way or the other. Just say no. It is the best bet.
Oh my gosh! I'm glad that the person in Delhi you met was able to get away! That is terrible that he was jumped and held against his will. Very scary!

Yes, I've heard that gem scammers can be in any city. I think it's good that people share their experiences about them so that tourists heading to any city will know about what to beware of. Just say no - very good advice.
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Hey guys!
I'm in Jaipur and went to this man's shop today- Neel Gems. He didn't read my palm much, but we were already interested in looking for an engagement ring... I know people have encountered scam/problems with the "palm read and buy" deal, but Has anybody actually bought anything here? And had it verified at home? I can't figure out if I should trust him or not. We have a small diamond we are interested in, and if he is truthful about the grading etc then the price he is asking for seems accurate with diamonds of similar quality. He said they would make it into a ring for us and we could watch. I can't find any reviews and he let us take the diamond with his boy to the govt gem grading place, but apparently they don't grade them there... They just tell us if it is real or not/synthetic.

Anybody? Thoughts?
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You want to buy a ring ? Go to Bridichand Ghanshyamdas on MI Road. They are the TBZ of Jaipur.
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Regarding visit-my-uncle's-shop -- One of my best memories of India was visiting an uncle's shop in Jaipur. The kid (he was probably 20) just wanted me to go there because his uncle spoke very good English. And it was a toiletries shop. His very accommodating uncle played translator for a bit, then kid took me on a quick tour of the neighborhood including a nice rooftop view of city.

From my own anecdotal experiences, the more fluent the person is in English (and the more easily you can understand their pronunciation), the more likely it is they are looking to scam you. There are plenty of honest, very fluent anglophones in India, but they are generally less interested in tourists and have no interest in approaching you.

Of course, many young adults can speak very good English, and are eager to practice their language skills with you. So when approached by a curious young adult, my guard would stay up, until perhaps 30 seconds into the conversation, which is about how long it takes to sum up a tout once you've dealt with the first hundred or so you interact with on your first day in India.
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Hi.

This was very interesting to read.
Similar happened to me. Nothing happened, some questions only but I knew something was wrong from start. Something was not right.

A few years later I read on internet, some blog or here on IM and immediately reminded me of that.
This story included violence and how he was held against his will in a basement. He never mentioned by words but would be same as kidnapping in my country.

Later I never understood why they never went all the way to the end. Pushed more, only thing I can think of is my guesthouse I was staying was side by side, their nearest neighbor. I also asked why do you even trust me/strangers? which I was to them. For some reason they never went all the way, it was years later I was sure and understand something going on then.

Daisy, I usually do as you, playing around. I am a "man", I agree with someone mentioned to avoid. It is "fun" but not just wasting own time but also their. When their time are wasted bad things can happens. If you are a girl / woman avoid. Your and my mistake is probably that we want to see if our "suspicions" is correctly. It is dangerous. A person may looks innocent and suddenly 5 minutes later 10 "friends" standing in front and more difficult to control. Avoid this. Whether you are male or female avoid.

Thanks for a interesting thread.
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This is good advice, Hello Mumbai. Like you said, it can be dangerous to mess around with scammers because things could turn scary very quickly. I really should have refused to go into the gem store.

I'm glad you enjoyed the thread.
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I know this scam has been reported here before, but I have not seen what the guru has told people before. I wanted everyone to see what guru told me. I don't know if it's the same for every person or not, but parts of it are very generic. Thanks to IndiaMike, I know this scam and did not even come close to buying any gems.
How nice to read your post, which is really an article. I must have seen it way back then, but forgot. It deserves "Sticky" status: it is rare to see objective reporting rather than sob stories from those that got taken in.

Yes, I agree that such a "mission" could turn ugly. That is probably more likely to be the case with those who want to extract money from people who think they are carrying something of value, rather than those with the slightly less criminal intent of selling stones at inflated prices on the basis of fake clairvoyant diagnoses.
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Thanks, Nick. One of the reasons I wanted to post my experience was to report what was said to me when I refused to buy gems. I hadn't read before what threats the scammers used to try to keep those who don't buy the gems quiet.

I hope this was helpful to those who find themselves in the same situation. I was happy to hear from magicmatilda and to hear that she also didn't fall for the scam.

Yes, I agree with you on which scams can turn violent. I haven't heard of those trying to sell overpriced gems turning violent, but I don't want to send the message to those who are thinking of going to India that it is safe to mess around with scammers. It's probably better to avoid all scam situations when possible.
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