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lil_buddy Jul 18th, 2016 02:41

Crime: India vs USA
 
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-...tes/Crime#2014

I found that very interesting especially in light of the fact that the media in the US (probably other Western countries as well) make it seem like India is teeming with thieves, rapists and terrorists...

I can't wait to relay this info to the next person who acts like I'm taking such a huge risk going to India.

I grew up in Brooklyn, NY in the 80's-90's through the crack years - the historical peak of crime in the US in one of its most dangerous places. I took the subway everyday by myself since the age of 11. I can't believe I - even for a second - entertained the myth that I need to really worry about India.

P.S. More people died in the 9/11 terrorists attacks in NY than all terrorist attacks in India since 1984. If we did a per capita estimation rather than raw numbers- the US would look worse still.
Sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...dents_in_India
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks

ananda2193 Jul 18th, 2016 02:51

But what are the statistics for being conned, overcharged or cheated??

lil_buddy Jul 18th, 2016 03:18

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Originally Posted by ananda2193 (Post 1974772)
But what are the statistics for being conned, overcharged or cheated??

*IF* the likelihood of being conned is greater while the likelihood of being murdered and rape is much lower - which would any reasonable person prefer?

(big if since people get conned, overcharged and cheated in the US plenty)

ananda2193 Jul 18th, 2016 03:26

I believe the statistics that merica produces more than India!

If you believe them, just spend some time there and see how it really works.

Golghar Jul 18th, 2016 03:32

Isn't "crime" a euphemism for "race" in the US?

steven_ber Jul 18th, 2016 03:49

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Originally Posted by lil_buddy (Post 1974771)

I found that very interesting especially in light of the fact that the media in the US (probably other Western countries as well) make it seem like India is teeming with thieves, rapists and terrorists...

I don't think foreign media are so harsh on India, and foreign tourists (who've actually visited India) speak highly of India.

It tends to be Indians who'll tell you how dangerous it is to travel in India, well, at least until foreign statistics say the same, then they'll slam the statistics.

ananda2193 Jul 18th, 2016 03:56

WOW! Steven_ber is back!!

Welcome back Train Master!!

And I agree!

lil_buddy Jul 18th, 2016 04:03

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Originally Posted by steven_ber (Post 1974778)
I don't think foreign media are so harsh on India, and foreign tourists (who've actually visited India) speak highly of India.

It tends to be Indians who'll tell you how dangerous it is to travel in India, well, at least until foreign statistics say the same, then they'll slam the statistics.

All the shows I see on India here in the US highlight the poverty and crime. Of course, all our news programming is obsessed with crime. In the US, the violent crime rate is nearly at its lowest level in recorded history. When polled, we believe crime is getting worse.

hfot2 Jul 18th, 2016 04:03

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Originally Posted by Golghar (Post 1974777)
Isn't "crime" a euphemism for "race" in the US?

No...

Sama Jul 18th, 2016 06:41

the media, whether in USA or elsewhere, always portrays the worst. "if it bleeds, it leads."

When I watch TV in India all it's about is the worst of America when the reality, for the most part, is far different. and American media portrays the worst about other countries. anything good is boring.

after 11 trips to India people STILL ask me whether I am afraid to go solo and I still get all their f'ing "what if...." questions. I tell them I can get killed by a speeding car in the middle of my bucolic downtown of my white bread suburb.

lil_buddy Jul 18th, 2016 08:34

Where I live, the average price of a home has reached a million dollars, the city shafted the cops on their pensions so a huge portion of the force simply left, and there's someone on the loose who has been shooting at cars in the middle of the night. So "what if" I stay home? - That's gonna be my response to the f'ing "what if...." questions from now on

vaibhav_arora Jul 18th, 2016 11:20

Just so you know li'l buddy, crime in India is often under-reported because of various reasons. From a tourist standpoint though, your biggest worry is going to be how to cross a road. I think we have a thread somewhere. :)

edwardseco Jul 18th, 2016 14:24

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All the shows I see on India here in the US highlight the poverty and crime.
You must watch different channels than I! The last 3 I watched two foodies and one British comedian I watched cringing expecting the worst and even the spouse agreed that they were done sensitively and quite well indeed! Wish I had that restaurant reference near the Golconda before. The comedian does low brow in Europe but put soul into his India pieces. It was a complete change of character for all three. It turned out one of them had previous travel in Hyderabad, etc. Teaches me not to judge people so quickly by appearance.

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Just so you know li'l buddy, crime in India is often under-reported because of various reasons. From a tourist standpoint though, your biggest worry is going to be how to cross a road. I think we have a thread somewhere.
So well put. A visitor to my village, a foren academic with real prestige, was saying how lovely and peaceful the countryside was. I was taken back because I knew of real conflicts, crime and violence in the village and in the district. I would guess more than 90% was never reported based on my experiences. None of the rapes that came to my attention had ever been reported. Even where it was impossible to miss such as the communal/caste riots in the district it was astonishing how little consequence there was to the chief perpetrators so I suspect the several that I met never experienced any long term inconvenience. I gave my kind and prestigious visitor more Sherry It solves a lot of problems..

Nick-H Jul 18th, 2016 23:26

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Originally Posted by lil_buddy (Post 1974771)
I can't wait to relay this info to the next person who acts like I'm taking such a huge risk going to India.

They won't be interested. There are all kinds of useful and un-useful statistics which might tell you something about India. There's all kinds of stuff that you listen to from people who actually know the country. Some of it might even be right!

As a method of dealing with the fearful doubters that You seem to have encountered, rather than quote numbers, try something more down-to-earth: Ask them to list, for you, the people that they know who have been victims of terrorism or violent crime during a visit to India. If they balk at that, make it easy for them: extend it to people they know of. If they have any sort of actual interest, rather than just prejudice and ignorance, they might be able to quote a small number of genuine news stories. At that point, I suppose the one useful statistic that you may need is the number of foreign tourists visiting India every year. That should put it in perspective. They will have established that the risk is not zero; you will have established that it is not large.

You might like to search for an old thread. It was called something like Why you shouldn't visit India, and (although it had serious interludes) featured the most absurd reasons that people had been told as to why they should not come here.

DaisyL Jul 19th, 2016 00:38

lil_buddy, this may be the thread that Nick was talking about. If not, it's still a good thread:

http://www.indiamike.com/india/india...ndia-t13026/4/

Before my first trip to India, everyone I knew was either warning me that India was dangerous or shaking their heads and telling me how brave I was. They had no particular reason to think India was dangerous other than they didn't know much about it.

Of course I went, and everything was fine. I sometimes give talks now about my trips to India so those who might think about travel there can have the information they need to make an informed decision.

No place on Earth is completely safe. But if you follow the basic rules of safety in India, you should be fine. But there will always be those who won't believe that until you come back safely.


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