Crime: India vs USA

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#31 Jul 19th, 2016, 08:09
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My only experience of a crime in India was that my pocket got picked in a busy bus in Delhi.

Apart from that I do not know anyone personally who has been a victim. I am an Indian so maybe I am not a target.

Two of my friends have been mugged in the States though.

I wonder if other members have any personal experience of crimes against them in India.
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Haha Govindpuri! No road raging street brawling narcotics peddling people trafficking gun running coal scamming insider dealing for you then? You've led a sheltered life!

You should've gotten' out more







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Yeah, but I am having difficulty picking up that for India and I have to go the store to find an anchor for dry wall that will firmly fasten itself in only 3/8ths inch open space behind the dry wall. Anybody do construction. ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ted_death_rate
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@lil_buddy,

Seatbelts in cars were made compulsory in early 2000s (recall it was a supreme court order and took some getting used to this new practice) If the car is older, its exempted. In practice, only a hotel or taxi company still flogging a ten year old car (highly unlikely in a metro - changing pollution norms), wont have working seat belts.

To hail taxis with seatbelts, use phone based apps. Uber (same app you may already have) and Ola. I prefer the latter. In Hyderabad the service is quite good.
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20.7/yr is a shaky unattributed estimate for India. I always get those kinds of taxis VA and I get the honor of sitting in the front!. I think I did have a couple of Ubers that did although in one it didn't work. I think Hyderabad and Vizag must have been exempted..
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Originally Posted by lil_buddy View Post I'd be interested in seeing those statistics.
Why?

Maybe you are into stats, and you are used to interpreting them. Maybe you are something like an actuary. the corporate [chartered] accountant at my last employer told me that her father was an actuary, and considered her and her professional bros and sis to be very low in the scale of number-crunching life forms!

When I last looked (sorry, no sources, and if that invalidates my assertion for you, I can understand that), India had the highest road accident, injury and death rates in the world. Per-capita --- before anybody says it has more people than almost anywhere else in the world.

It won't take you many minutes on Indian roads before you realise why, and, even when you have have learnt to drive here and "cope" with that traffic (Do it! You can!) you'll still realise why.
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On stats,

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More than 10 lakh people in India have lost their lives to road accidents in the last 10 years. India has the dubious distinction of leading the world in road crash fatalities – 10% of total global road deaths occur here. In 2013 alone, almost 1,40,000 people were killed and close to 5,00,000 were seriously injured or permanently disabled.
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1. 111%: Percentage of Under Reporting of road crashes in India
2. India has about 1 % of the world’s vehicles but accounts for about 10 % of the World’s Road Crash fatalities
3. 3%: Annual loss of India’s GDP due to Road crashes
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EMERGENCY CARE
1. 50%: Number of road crash victims who die of treatable injuries
2. 74% of Bystanders are unlikely to assist a victim of serious injury
3. 88% of Bystanders who are unlikely to assist a victim of serious injury, stated that they were reluctant to help for fear of legal hassles, including repeated police questioning and court appearances.
4. 77% of Bystanders who are unlikely to assist injured victims also stated that hospitals unnecessarily detain Good Samaritans and refuse treatment if money is not paid for treatment.
Source: http://savelifefoundation.org/statistics/

Savelifefoundation is a leading NGO committed to road traffic safety in India. They've done a great deal of good work, including help introduce good Samaritan laws in the country.
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Originally Posted by BholeBaba View Post On stats ... ...
Thanks BB.

I really, really want to avoid putting off lil_buddy. I hope she and her partner do come here, and that they do have a great experience. There is no reason why they should not.

But I really don't think she is going to get much use from statistics with that. It's like what use is a clinical thermometer... it can tell you that you're not really really ill, although you're still going to spend the day in bed if you ache all over, or it can tell you that you should be in hospital right now. But all the degrees in between normal and hospital-now are, well... it's all relative!
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Originally Posted by Nick-H View Post Thanks BB.

I really, really want to avoid putting off lil_buddy. I hope she and her partner do come here, and that they do have a great experience. There is no reason why they should not.

But I really don't think she is going to get much use from statistics with that. It's like what use is a clinical thermometer... it can tell you that you're not really really ill, although you're still going to spend the day in bed if you ache all over, or it can tell you that you should be in hospital right now. But all the degrees in between normal and hospital-now are, well... it's all relative!
I think you are completely misunderstanding me - specifically why I felt compelled to share the info in my original post. Due to American arrogance that's built into our media & education system (and probably somewhat due to some of the stuff my friends from India/Bangladesh/Pakistan have told me), I've been led to believe that India is far worse than it is *with respect to the US*. I am emphasizing that because we (Americans) are in total denial about how bad things are here.

I will never be convinced to take anecdotal evidence more seriously than aggregate empirical data - that is not scientific.
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Originally Posted by lil_buddy View Post ...I will never be convinced to take anecdotal evidence more seriously than aggregate empirical data - that is not scientific.
...remembering always, of course, that aggregate empirical data are ultimately nothing more than collections of anecdotes, albeit perhaps filtered through the perceptions (that is, biases) of a trained observer; and that aggregate empirical data notoriously omit by definition those instances (often the majority of cases) that go unreported.
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10 Ways We Get the Odds Wrong,
Our brains are terrible at assessing modern risks. Here's how to think straight about dangers in your midst.


If all I did was listen to anti-vaxxer nutters, I'd believe that the tiny infinitesimal risk associated with a bad vaccine reaction is worse than polio. Polio sufferers aren't all over the internet sharing their anecdotes because they are either dead, live in the poorest and most marginalized communities on earth, don't speak English.
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Originally Posted by lil_buddy View Post I think you are completely misunderstanding me
Maybe... but as long as we're still talking, all is well

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- specifically why I felt compelled to share the info in my original post. Due to American arrogance that's built into our media & education system (and probably somewhat due to some of the stuff my friends from India/Bangladesh/Pakistan have told me), I've been led to believe that India is far worse than it is *with respect to the US*. I am emphasizing that because we (Americans) are in total denial about how bad things are here.
One thing here is that I am not American, and have never even visited America. Perhaps you might have had to spend time persuading foreign visitors top USA that no, they are not going to be strip searched in immigration and then murdered as soon as they leave the airport.

Preconceptions, misconceptions and prejudices: we all have them.

Something that has been noted by some of us on this site, over the years, is that NRIs and persons of Indian origin can be amongst the most negative about India.

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I will never be convinced to take anecdotal evidence more seriously than aggregate empirical data - that is not scientific.
That's ok. But I still think that your own experience will be worth a thousand surveys. Especially here, where much of what happens never becomes a statistic anyway.

Even our prime minister, in writing a "could do better" on the income-tax-collection department end-of-term report recently, said that, given the houses, cars, property, etc that he sees, he simply does not accept that only the small percentage of of Indians that pay tax should pay tax. He's looked at the statistics and doesn't believe them. Or, perhaps more technically, he does not believe that they are complete.





And I still think that your naysayers won't take any notice of the statistics anyway.
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Originally Posted by Nick-H View Post I still think that your own experience will be worth a thousand surveys.

And I still think that your naysayers won't take any notice of the statistics anyway.

Agreed! I very much look forward to going. I'm simply not going to take *extraordinary* precautions out of fear.

And I'm going to take public transportation! I won't let anyone convince me out of it.
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We have an understanding . An agreement even!
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Originally Posted by lil_buddy View Post ...And I'm going to take public transportation! I won't let anyone convince me out of it.
I must have missed something. Was anyone on IM trying to talk you out of it?

As long as you're prepared to be groped on a crowded Metro, public transportation is just fine.
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