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Originally Posted by vaibhav_arora View Post Just so you know li'l buddy, crime in India is often under-reported because of various reasons. From a tourist standpoint though, your biggest worry is going to be how to cross a road. I think we have a thread somewhere.
Crime goes unreported here too.

The Bureau of Crime Statistics says: "During the period from 2006 to 2010, 52% of all violent victimizations, or an annual average of 3,382,200 violent victimizations, were not reported to the police. Of these, over a third (34%) went unreported because the victim dealt with the crime in another way, such as reporting it to another official, like a guard, manager, or school official
(figure 1). Almost 1 in 5 unreported violent victimizations (18%) were not reported because the victim believed the crime was not important enough."
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/vnrp0610.pdf
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Interesting how folk can know of unreported crimes, I mean, there is a clue in the word "unreported"

There is crime in India, as anywhere in the world. Some of it happens to "the less well off" in society, probably not on the average tourist's radar.
Provided you are sensible, as you might be in your own country, you will be just as safe, if not more so, in India.
Why are these lads being over friendly in America... looks a bit fishy? Same in India, 99.9% are honest, just be aware that not every single Indian lad is on his way to temple or yoga classes. Some have picked up bad western habits from the movies!
Violent crime against foreigners is pretty rare, but you could be persuaded to part with some of your cash with fake friendship, or fake or overpriced goods.
India is a strange and wonderful place, very different to the west.
Be open hearted and open minded, open to meeting folk, just exercise a little care.

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Originally Posted by DaisyL View Post lil_buddy, this may be the thread that Nick was talking about. If not, it's still a good thread:

Why I hate travelling in India
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"Don't go to India because ..." Prejudices and Misconceptions Collected.
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Originally Posted by vaibhav_arora View Post Just so you know li'l buddy, crime in India is often under-reported because of various reasons. From a tourist standpoint though, your biggest worry is going to be how to cross a road. I think we have a thread somewhere.
Yes! I think Americans traveling to India should take the sort of precautions they would normally take traveling to any large city in the US to avoid being crime victims.

They should most definitely be more concerned about being victims of traffic accidents. I hope I can find taxis with seat belts!

India has made great strides in increasing road safety somehow, though. US is not in the safest category with Canada and Europe.

The latest WHO data http://gamapserver.who.int/gho/inter...hs2/atlas.html shows (I love real data):
Both US & India are in the light green category of 10.1-20 traffic deaths per 100k people.
US traffic deaths/100k = 10.6
India traffic deaths/100k = 16.6
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India has made great strides in increasing road safety somehow, though.
Something tells me that you haven't actually been here yet.




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Originally Posted by DaisyL View Post Before my first trip to India, everyone I knew was either warning me that India was dangerous or shaking their heads and telling me how brave I was.
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"Improvement" is not synonymous with "doesn't suck" iykwim
Point taken

But really... I'd put those statistics away until after you come and see for yourself. I don't think they do you any more good than the people you are using them against.

If the exercise is to reassure yourself, just ask, and we'll try, between us, to give you honest points of view: our membership is broad, and ranges from first-timer questioners to resident Indians who have always been... resident Indians. Born and bred. You already have several responses that should help.

And sorry, I had forgotten your "First-time, probably" thread. It is quite a strange situation for anyone: you are not choosing India as a destination, but coming here as a result of your partner's work. Hey... Maybe India is choosing you!
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Originally Posted by lil_buddy View Post ...I hope I can find taxis with seat belts! ...
It is to larff. Don't recall encountering them in taxis hailed on the street. Autorickshaws (which you may find yourself in more often) don't generally have 'em (little point anyway in such a vulnerable vehicle).

You might get somewhere specifying seat belts with car-and-driver hire companies. We did not often find them in such cars, and when we did they often were symbolic: I remember back-seat belts in one car that were completely inadequate to go around us, and we are not even remotely stout; I remember that Driver spent an entire afternoon finding a place to get the belts lengthened (I shudder to think how) while we walked Bundi.
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There are many modern cars in use as taxis. They will have proper seat belts. However, the "socket" end is likely to be irretrievably lost under/behind the seat. Insisting might work.
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I have always felt safe in India,wondering around at all times of night and day in places I maybe should not. The only crime I really look out for is by stelth,pickpocketing etc.And that is easily counteracted. The media has always played on peoples paranoia , be it in the USA,UK or India.
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It is much easier nowadays to get a fair impression of a place before you visit... I refer of course to youtube.

There are many videos on all sorts of subjects.

I like the following, as it shows scenes that are typical of many that I have seen.


This one has superb shots and a great sound track too.


No sign of any crimes!


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The latest WHO data http://gamapserver.who.int/gho/inter...hs2/atlas.html shows (I love real data):
Both US & India are in the light green category of 10.1-20 traffic deaths per 100k people.
US traffic deaths/100k = 10.6
India traffic deaths/100k = 16.6
Unfortunately, this tells us nothing about road safety. The correct measure would be by distance traveled and those statistics exist. Its much higher per mile travelled than in the US. It seems geographically the US is larger than India and that more people own cars and that more people travel, yada yada..
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Originally Posted by edwardseco View Post Unfortunately, this tells us nothing about road safety. The correct measure would be by distance traveled and those statistics exist. Its much higher per mile travelled than in the US. It seems geographically the US is larger than India and that more people own cars and that more people travel, yada yada..
I'd be interested in seeing those statistics.
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Originally Posted by lil_buddy View Post I'd be interested in seeing those statistics.
There are far more miles driven annually in the US, than in India

155 million cars on the road, with say a very conservative average of 5000 miles per car per year( most cars I see run up between 8000 and 18000 miles per year), gives over 750 billion miles .

Annual US fatalities on the road are about 40000 to 41000 .

not sure how similar statistics in India look like.

Clearly many miles in the US are driven on roads/ highways with minimal traffic and no one walking alongside. But I suspect improved road barriers, multiple air bags and seat belts also have something to do with fewer fatalities in the US.

In fact things may be worse in India, because the owner of a car(imports mostly) with air bags comes off uninjured, while folks in the other vehicle ( no air bags) don't stand a chance. Lots of drunk driving by folks in high end German, or Japanese imports.... These are the drivers I worry about most.
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