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#1 Dec 17th, 2005, 13:21
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hello all,

Before I start, I know this may draw a lot of backfire towards my thread, I write this for the sake of all those people who wish for a first hand, alternative view about experiencing india.

Basically we didnt like india from the day we arrived.
Delhi - was smelly, dirty, full with begger, shop owners who wont leave you alone, hotel owner who try to rip us off, rikshaw drivers, taxi driver, all try to extract your money.

Varanasi - First Diarrhea, easily can be traced to the restaurant which we have visited, again - the smells, the cow dropps, the beggers, taxi drivers arguing with eachother about to maintain a uniform price qouta for your requested journey.
entering a room of a hotel and realizing that even the water they have promissed to come from the wall are brown, smelly and cold.

Darjeeling - sikkim:
Cool, quite more laid-back, more expensive, more clean.
trekking was a great experience - beuatuifull, freindly people, clean.
Colcatta - the city of volunteers, youngsters who whish to do basically nothing for weeks. even one incidence in Zurich restaurant where the waiter kicked out a african tourist saying: "we dont serve black people here" - I have 4 more widnesses for that incidence.

Goa - basically upon arrival (despite the beauty of the place) you feel like a cow to be milked by the locals. prices are outrageoussly high, grissary shops have 2 price lists (locals & toursits). endless numbers of Sellers of all kinds of "goods" (neckless, Hina tattoo, boat trip, food) will bother you with their merchendise - trying 3 strategies: 1) sentence begins with Hello Madam, Hello sir, 2) trying and fit a polite conversation between, 3) try and touch your heart for mercy.

Our conculsion:
1. India is a chaotic place, with different kind of people for bad and good.
2. If you dont like it as you arrive - probably you will find it more difficult to like onwards - therefore change your return date asap.
3. cheating is a genuine part of the touring experience in india - people will try to scam you, rip you off, cheat you, over price basic good.
4. india is a dirty place.
5. for himalya Trekking - Nepal is a better option, For beaches vacation - I would choose Carribeans, south east asia, Australia - more expensive but one can realy relax.
6. India is not an easy place for travelling.
#2 Dec 17th, 2005, 13:25
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Then why are you here,
If I were you I certainly wouldn't be,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
#3 Dec 17th, 2005, 13:28
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Right on all matters, I'm presently planning my 4th trip in 14 months, it grows on you, and as many bad people you meet youll meet more good people. I wouldnt say its for everone but I think everone should experience it for all the reasons you outline....I live in Australia and if there is any truth to the Karma theory and rebirth to a higher level I must have becasue I live here and after my trips to India I realise how lucky we are. Keep trying
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Very sorry platelet that you had such a bad time in my country. As for cheating my friend I have seen enough of it plus many other things which I will not mention in this forum in Budapest. We were lucky we had local friends so had very good time on both the occasions we were there. Your country is lovely, Eger & Bull's blood fabulous!
Your last comment is very much right but again there are some who chooses the difficult path & embarks on a journey to see what lies ahead. I see so many of them here. Really What a strange trip isnt it my freind?
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Originally Posted by platelet Colcatta - the city of volunteers, youngsters who whish to do basically nothing for weeks. even one incidence in Zurich restaurant where the waiter kicked out a african tourist saying: "we dont serve black people here" - I have 4 more widnesses for that incidence.
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i agree inidans are worse racists.

but having said that, there is a lot more to be discovered about inida.

some of your impressions are correct and but, i will have to add, once u over the barrier, and understand them as fellow human beings. A new world will open up for you.

good luck
dan
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I think that people should not be petty defensive about posts like these.

India is not everybody's cup of thea, and it is perfectly legitimate for someone who didn't like it to express it on this forum.

This is a part of the various traveling experiences in India, and should have its legitimate place on a forum that is precisely about travel experiences - not necessarily just good experiences.

It is perfectly OK for people who didn't like India to share that experience and explain why, so that people who have similar tastes get also that kind of information, not just the ravings of Indiaphiles.

Let's all be more democratic...
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Originally Posted by platelet Colcatta - the city of volunteers, youngsters who whish to do basically nothing for weeks. even one incidence in Zurich restaurant where the waiter kicked out a african tourist saying: "we dont serve black people here" - I have 4 more widnesses for that incidence.
</p>I like to know that if the yougsters basically do nothing for weeks here then how does it mater /related to a tourist ? And where is this Zurich Rest. ? The incident you mentioned is quite impossible in Bengal /Kolkata bcoz Bengal is one of the few state in India where this type of caste/ racism dont prevail / exists
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ThatŽs about what I felt like after a couple of weeks on my first trip to India in 88.
But by accepting the country and people, the way they are, you change your view and youŽll start to see the wonderful side of country and people.
There might come a time where youŽll actually fall in love.
It happened to me, anyway.

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#9 Dec 17th, 2005, 15:26
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I'm sorry to hear of your experience. It happens. I know one Indian-origin Mauritian girl who was so excited to be visiting her Mother Country for the first time. She came to Bombay, got stuck with a stomach upset in a bad hotel and cught the first plane back to UK she was fit enough to travel on. She's going to give it another chance, one day,

The racist incident you spoke of is really bad, and I really, really hope you complained and walked out of that place. I have a friend here at the moment whose Black African partner is coming soon; it will be very interesting (especially for him... ) to see what is his experience, but he expects, at the very least, to get a lot of staring.

Many people (we are, after all, a group of Indiaphiles here) will jump to the defence of India when negative posts are made, but these things are part of the Visiting India deal, we cannot pretend they do not exist.

There's lots of negative stuff here in India. The things you describe are, mostly, the sort of stuff that I would have thought that the average guide bood would have prepared you for; perhaps it sounded OK in theory, but the actuality was was too much for you.
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Yes, you are right Platelet, all the things you write are right, indeed India is a bad place to travel (my mum last december was shocked).....
Just some days ago she told me:"Could we come back?".... and now I am planning my 5th trip to India (the second for mum and dad)
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Everyone has their own way of seeing things and you are no different from the other when it comes to expressing exactly what you saw and felt in India. I for one, am an Indian residing in Mumbai, India and feel very much the same things that you saw and described and sometimes feel that nothing can be done about it but then that is giving up so I try to change things to the best of my abilities whenever I see someone doing something wrong especially with respect to tourists who seem to sometimes take things lightly when pestered by touts or beggars or conmen at touristy places. As long as I know I am doing my little bit to make things better I feel fine.

About the black incident you talked about, I too have seen similar incidences reported in the newspapers here in Mumbai and the reason for them not allowing the blacks in the clubs was that they were druggists and spoiling the atmosphere of the place. I doubt if anyone can officially stop people of any race or caste or colour in the land of Mahatma Gandhi (who was once thrown out of a train even though he had a valid ticket in South Africa during the time of the white rule there) but here it is also prevalent among the richer class to make similar statements and have similar behaviour towards the blacks or slightly poorer locals as well. The way people behave with each other especially with women on the public transport in the northern Indian states is just another example of how things work in India, but then as they say "This is India!!" ..... either you accept it as it is or you do something about it!!! I believe in the latter and I am sure you will have found this trip a bit too much to handle all the dust, dirt, grime and conmen but I am also sure you must have enjoyed some of the good things that India has to offer and even if the bad things were more than the good I am hopeful that when you ever visit again you will have a better experience and will be smarter to handle the conmen in thwarting their devilish ways and get one up on them. Some people get unnerved by the dirty ways of the Indians with respect to hygeine and the way they throw rubbish and spit the "paan" juices all over the place as if it were an open dustbin but the government is trying to do something about it by teaching people to change their ways with more toilets and dustbins and hope slowly but steadily things will change for the better. One should never lose hope, I guess!!!

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Analyzing the Symptoms ......

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Our conculsion:
1. India is a chaotic place, with different kind of people for bad and good.
2. If you dont like it as you arrive - probably you will find it more difficult to like onwards - therefore change your return date asap.
3. cheating is a genuine part of the touring experience in india - people will try to scam you, rip you off, cheat you, over price basic good.
4. india is a dirty place.
5. for himalya Trekking - Nepal is a better option, For beaches vacation - I would choose Carribeans, south east asia, Australia - more expensive but one can realy relax.
6. India is not an easy place for travelling.

India is a chaotic place, with different kind of people for bad and good.
All countries have bad & good and Indian chaos is a free cultural habit-forming drug that once absorbed - few experienced travellers can kick.

If you dont like it as you arrive - probably you will find it more difficult to like onwards - therefore change your return date asap.
You have to be a good forgetter in life to be happy & successfull! Learn from you mistakes and bad experiences and mentally discard the rest.



cheating is a genuine part of the touring experience in india - people will try to scam you, rip you off, cheat you, over price basic good.
Cheating is a genuine part of the touring experience in most places of the world. In India it is still so economical that even if you are inexperienced enought to pay double - its still a good deal.

india is a dirty place.
"Gotta eat a peck of dirt before you die!" (from Grandma PeakXV - RIP)


for himalya Trekking - Nepal is a better option, For beaches vacation - I would choose Carribeans, south east asia, Australia - more expensive but one can realy relax.
..... but how's the Indian food?

India is not an easy place for travelling.
Try the Palace on Wheels next trip!
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Originally Posted by platelet Our conculsion:
2. If you dont like it as you arrive - probably you will find it more difficult to like onwards - therefore change your return date asap.
I surely don't agree with this conclusion. I arrived in Delhi from Iran where things where quite a lot more relaxing (atleast no touts or extreme ripp-offs). When arriving in Delhi I have to say I didn't know what to expect. The result was a major cultureshock in the chaos of Paharganj. But after two days I started to get used to the place and even started to appreciate it (in that period I learnt how to deal with beggars, touts and even to bargain as hard as you can). And even now I still believe that if you have survived the smells, the chaos, the beggers and the persistant touts of Delhi you will make it easily in the rest of India. Its a country of contradictions and that makes it so damn fascinating. But as in other threads: India is not for everybody!!!!

DDUTTA....I think Zurich restaurant is in Sudderstreet....
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Originally Posted by PeakXV India is not an easy place for travelling.
Try the Palace on Wheels next trip!
Or stay only in the Taj mahal hotels around India. And don't go further then the pool. Never eat Indian food and only eat continental food. Complain about the bad roomservice and tell everybody at home how Beautiful India is.
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i basically agree with all of your points platelet. the first time that i went to india i felt this same way and would have loved to have had a forum to spout it all out on. "Hey, all your India lovers, get a clue - India is a sickeningly dirty place full of scams and stress!!" And, incidentally, i did change my return ticket. I wanted to scramble back home to my comforts and cleanliness as soon as possible. But i kicked myself all the way home because before leaving india (and after changing my ticket and paying good money to do so) i discovered Dharamsala. My entire world view changed as i found myself in a different part of india that was low-key and sweet.

I've been to india three times and am not sure how many more times i will lay my ego at her feet. yes, i could go to the carribean for a great beach experience or any number of european countries to escape america, but this is not what i go to india for. i laugh when people who do not understand india wish me bon voyage by saying "have fun!" not that india cannot be that, but for me, it is an intense place to be, not generally relaxing, but where i go to work on myself. India offers the perfect opportunity to do this precisely because of all of the issues that you mention.

that's how india is for me.
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