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#1 Jul 20th, 2010, 11:50
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Hey there
The Jaipur gem scam is already quite famous here and all over the net,but nevertheless i d like to share my latest experience to save others from it.
So i walk with my girlfriend in the old town,when a sympathic youngster approaches us with the line "why do westerns not like Indian people?" so we start talking,trying to explain,he's understanding, it becomes a discussion and before you know it,you*sit with him and his friends ("art students",handsome,good english) in a chai-place. The topics soon change and they want to show you the city,introduce you to their families and the like. We were invited to an roofterasse in the evening,where we cooked with them,talked,laughed..it was funny and the food was delicious,so of course we started trusting them. Next day starts in the same manner,they show us all around the city while we get the "Indian prices" with all the rikshaw drivers, and we watch only the sights which are worth it and where they don't just want the tourists money..and they insist on paying for all the food and chai during the day (Indian hospitality,they call it). So everything is great,you feel as if this is your best experience in India so far and how cool you are that you meet locals like this while other tourists get screwed. So your guard is completely down (to be realised,when you take all your creditcards,money and passport with you again when you meet them,which you left in the hotel when at first,cause you were not yet quite sure about the whole thing.)
The next day you meet again in the same old chai place,you're confortable,you already learned how to order chai for everyone in Hindi.*
But then they want you to meet the cousin of one guy who is the owner of a jewelery store and they want to have lunch there with everyone. So,no problem,you hop into a riskhaw and you are brought to the office,quite far outside of town. But the second you are there,everything change. There is nobody else waiting,the office is all shabby and before the boss is starting to tell you how exited he is to meet you after his friends talked about nothing else than you the last days,you alredy know where this is going. He's offering the exact same thing that is mentioned in the Lonely Planet,where we would deliver a parcel to Europe,making good money,working for him..
Ok,he accepted our "No", we were brought back,and when we told them that we don't want to see them anymore because it was obvious what they were trying,they let us alone (of course not admitting anything), but it's just not worth it,cause you feel that you lost two days and told some personal stuff to people who don't actually give a sh**.
So,just read to signs and stay realistic: no,so many Indians don't have girlfriends in Europe and a student might not be able to invite you anywhere,but must actually go to uni somewhen and does not always have time for u.
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Many many years ago I went to Paris for three trips as a tour guide for a London based tour-bus company. It emerged that for every wine warehouse / perfume house / restaurant we took the bus load of tourists to we would get a commission. That did not sit well with me and I quit the job. But it happens all over the world at tourist spots. In your case you saw an insider's perspective of Jaipur and its non-tourist sights even if for just one day. Whether you are in Bruges, Blackpool, Gothenberg, Jaipur or Bali, as a traveller you have to have your wits about you. I don't think you were scammed. You were offered gems, you refused, then you moved on. Part and parcel of travel experience. It does not follow that every friendly hospitable person in Jaipur is a scamster. Finally it is your money to part with, or not, as the case may be.
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"why do westerns not like Indian people?"

I remember this sentence so well, I heard it in Jaipur too a few years back. I knew he was looking for my attention and reaction, but I guessed it was not healthy and I did not even look at him... then, he did as if he was offended because I did not answer... and I pretended I did not hear anything and continued walking...

I saw him every day but he never spoke to me again. still looking for my reaction... real masters
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Originally Posted by omtapas View Post "why do westerns not like Indian people?"
I've gotten that a few times, or a more aggressive "Why you come to this country and not want to speak to Indian people?" (from a particularly pushy Speedo-clad older man trying to follow me on the beach)

Never rise to the bait. They are just trying to get you to "prove" that you really do like Indian people. Most of the time by spending money.
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Every body who hasn't been scammed is always quick to tell how they trust their gut feeling to protect them. Freddy's post shows just how cleverly and effectively the scammers get around gut feelings and make their victims feel secure, even good. Maybe if Freddy hadn't already known about the parcel of jewels thing, he'd be posting here about how he lost his money!
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Originally Posted by Freddy View Post Hey there
The Jaipur gem scam is already quite famous here and all over the net,but nevertheless i d like to share my latest experience to save others from it.

........were invited to an roofterasse in the evening,where we cooked with them,talked,laughed..it was funny and the food was delicious,so of course we started trusting them. Next day starts in the same manner,they show us all around the city while we get the "Indian prices" with all the rikshaw drivers, and we watch only the sights which are worth it and where they don't just want the tourists money..and they insist on paying for all the food and chai during the day (Indian hospitality,they call it). So everything is great,you feel as if this is your best experience in India so far and how cool you are that you meet locals like this while other tourists get screwed.

The next day you meet again in the same old chai place,you're confortable,you already learned how to order chai for everyone in Hindi.*
But then they want you to meet the cousin of one guy who is the owner of a jewelery store.......


........Ok,he accepted our "No", we were brought back,
I wouldn't complain as it looks like you got the better end of the deal. They sounded a bit amateurish actually, and if you were scammed by some one who was professional you would only have found out that the jewellery you did not want in the first place, was worth a tenth of what you paid when you went to insure it back at home.
You did well out of it, congratulations.
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Consider yourself lucky for getting off with free food, chai and all your money still in your pocket. All scams rely on the exploitation of feelings of guilt, greed or lust. Just remember that you owe nothing to anyone who approaches you on the street with a question or a 'business proposal' and you'll be fine. Lots of friendly people in India but if money or the proverbial free lunch are involved, beware.
"It is preferable to have a criminal for a servant rather than a fool because a criminal's actions are predictable and you can protect yourself against them, whereas there is no telling what a fool's next move will be.
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Yes, you got a coulpe of nice days out out of it!

I can see it leaves a bad taste, though.
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Sure, i know, i lost nothing and actually got some good days out of it...but still i d feel better if we would have discovered the city on our own rather than with people who probably didn't give a darn about what we told them. So i just wanted to share this and tell u to take care. Still enjoying my stay in india though, and i am trying to see the good in everyone still!
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Freddy

Hi,Jaipur is like any other tourist city in the world but you may also find some genuin person who will go out of the way to lend a helping hand to a visitor.
Recently,on a biz. trip to Delhi,I saw two expats one of them was sporting a shirt with a slogan printed in hindi'I am not a tourist but I live here'.This was perhaps aimed at touts to keep away from them.
You were lucky to escape but my travel experience is that keep your travel docs.at all times with you & do not carry cash as now credit cards well accepted all across the country.
I have never lost anything except in Zurich air port when my brief case was stolen just in a moment luckily I had my passport with me but still lost air tkt & travellers cheques.
You will find that there are more no. of good people around so just try to bury the past.
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Still enjoying my stay in india though, and i am trying to see the good in everyone still!
That's the spirit! I sympathize with you and can understand you still feel cheated somehow. It's one of the confusing things about India, just afyer you've had it with all the scammers and touts and are on the verge of striking out at the next the guy who talks to you on the street, you find out that he doesn't want anything from you except to chat about your country, India, family..... It's part of the experience. Just beware of your rupees, remember the good encounters and forget the idiots.
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reminds me of my trip to thailand - both in Bangkok and Ayyuthya the tuk-tuk and taxi drivers wanted me to see the "govt approved" jewellery stores. On asking them the reason at their insistence, the tuk-tuk guy told me he will get one litre of fuel free if I entered the shop, so I did , did not buy anything and came out in 10 minutes
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Originally Posted by Nick-H View Post Maybe if Freddy hadn't already known about the parcel of jewels thing, he'd be posting here about how he lost his money!
Given the massive publicit this scam has had, both online and offline, I reckoned that absolutely everyone with an interest in India must surely know about the gem scams by now, and certainly everyone on this site.

But you know what? After reading the answers to this thread, it's obvious that the words "parcel of gems" still rings no alarm bells to a lot of people, who are responding as if the OP had been taken to a jeweller with the aim of asking him to buy a piece of jewellery.
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But you know what? After reading the answers to this thread, it's obvious that the words "parcel of gems" still rings no alarm bells to a lot of people, who are responding as if the OP had been taken to a jeweller with the aim of asking him to buy a piece of jewellery.
Oh, I think everyone's very aware of it, but it just blends with the terrain so to speak, one of those annoyances that are pretty much inevitable and no longer elicit a strong reaction. If someone uses common sense they'll never fall for it, regardless of having visited this site or not. If otoh they're blinded by greed... I wouldn't even buy a piece of jewelry in a bona fide shop here if I were visiting as a tourist and didn't have access to local info....seen too many allegedly 14 carat gold rings with high priced but in reality worthless sapphires (opacity, inclusion bodies) in them in India.
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Originally Posted by Freddy View Post Sure, i know, i lost nothing and actually got some good days out of it...but still i d feel better if we would have discovered the city on our own rather than with people who probably didn't give a darn about what we told them. So i just wanted to share this and tell u to take care. Still enjoying my stay in india though, and i am trying to see the good in everyone still!
I had a very good auto driver in Chennai some time back who took me on an unasked for half hour scenic tour around the city when it was only a kilometre direct.
He quietly drove off without payment when I asked him to come inside the Road Traffic Authority Office (my destination) to discuss his fare.

They do fall into your lap occasionally.
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