Foreign owned property in Goa, (part Two)

Noni

Hi Captain,


No no no not letting off steam - For the life of me I can't see how some of the locals would exist without tourism/and long termers. I know people who have no work when the tourist season has finished, and they rely on their earnings from the tourist trade to see their families through the monsoon.
On another level - how many of you - even consider
helping locals free or charge, in your holiday time, doing repairs in their homes Helping each other makes the world go around.

How would these locals live without the tourists money coming in?

Back to Topic - Property Purchase.

shashank.aggarwal

Bryan and Noni, I agree with Captain, you are just using this thread to let this steam off...

I have said it time and again and last I gave numbers as well..especially to you Noni, on what contribution is made by foreign tourists (not Brits, but the entire non-indian sector) to Goan Economy.

And by the way there are thousands of activities, which if allowed would bring a lot of financial benefits to lot of people..but that doesn't that anyone can do everything...

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shashank.aggarwal

Its a very simple answer Noni...I hope you would have guessed by now..

They will survive as another 1 billion of us do !!

iwanttogoback

lord knows how any of us exist without british tourists to keep us going.

Noni

Well every body is entitled to their own opinion - you tell me how the locals would exist in the Monsoon without their seasonal earning.

"they will survive" you say, but isn't it better for their families to do more than just survive

shashank.aggarwal

Please read my other post as well...There are lot of activities that are not allowed, however if allowed will bring a lot of benefit to lot of people...

monsoon is not unique to Goa..it affects millions of people across the nation...

Somehow I feel that you are adamant in justifying that somehow whatever small it is you make a contribution to local economy..I agree to that...everyone agrees to that..but that doesn't make you above the law...

If I setup a illegal factory without requisite permissions and later justify that it gives employment and financial benefit to locals ..do you think that it would be allowed ? if yes, then everyone in the country will start doing the same and law be damned !!

Nick-H

I have lived in a part of the UK where the locals could not survive (well, they would; we still have the remains of a welfare state) without tourism. They have jobs only in the summer, although they have to compete with an influx of non-locals looking for holiday jobs. The tourist/retirement thing pushes property prices through the roof too. Cornwall, an area of absurdly high house prices, is one of the poorest areas in the UK, and even, I'm told, Europe!

Before that I lived near Sratford-upon-Avon. I am very familiar with the love/hate/need relationship of an area with its tourists!

I've never been to Goa ---- but if I imagine a place like Kovalam in Kerala suddenly having no tourism, I can see that it would leave many people destitute. Wouldn't do much good for Padstow, i Cornwall, either.

But I guess this isn't about tourism...

I'm sure that the Goan residents in this forum are very well aware of the difference that they make as individuals. No-one would starve if I left Chennai, but my presence there has made a difference to a few.

Whether or not the Indian government considers that retirees are a desired part of the economy is an utterly different question. They don't --- and there is nothing left to argue about that on that. As non-Indians we don't have a vote and have no influence on this.

Anyone who wants to restart the argument should first go to the first post of the first Goan Property thread and read every post and every link from there on up to here in this thread. It's just a waste of time, so please don't.

As to letting of steam: why not? The people who are really affected by this, unless they are very rich indeed, are in a serious security-threatening situation.

I don't think many of them need telling that, perhaps, they would have been wiser not to get into that situation in the first place: I think most of them have guessed.

The ones who believe they have a god-given right to plant their flag anywhere in the world don't last long in this forum, and I don't think they last long in other forums like the BritishExPats either these days.

So, let us continue to provide reliable information to people who are still falling prey to developers; let us allow a bit of letting off steam to those who are left in uncertainty but stand to loose a substantial amount; let us continue to monitor and provide the best information possible to each other and to newcomers.

But let us not, please, go back to square one and have all the same arguments all over again.

OK?

Noni

Hi Nick
(Don't know why they call you the Grumpy one) most knowledgeable one.
I know all this is I have been referring to (locals)
in Goa. Like Cornwall - South Wales relies on tourists, and now the tourist season is over the place is really quiet, but luckily many of our locals have other jobs, not like the Goans.
I appreciate your thread as I feel that some of the people
here really don't want us to contribute.
Noni

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Foreign owned property in Goa, (part Two)

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the irish indian

Hi All,

They moved the goal posts from Aug 2006 in Goa and even to this day the rules on what you can and can't do on certain visas are down to personal interprutation as FEMA does'nt even mention visas.....but apart from that....i do feel that 'Western Tourists' do contribute an awful lot to Goa and India in general and i have been told many times by shopkeepers,shack owners,hawkers and taxi drivers that the British Tourists are the most generous and supportive of all.....although i accept that there are exceptions.

Getting back to the property fiasco, some tourists have breached FEMA and will pay for at.......but many others bought property whilst on a 5 year x visa and after obtaining Residency, they also made payments through proper banking channels and according to FEMA, have done everything correctly.....the only sticking point now that is being raised is proving intention to stay for an undetermained period.
I think these people will be ok after the Directorate of Enforcement has concluded his investigations but the downside is that these repeat moneyspending tourists have now had there fill of Goa and India and are moving on to countries like Malaysia were they are welcomed with open arms.

I cant understand how on one hand India is claiming that Goa is one of its greatest assetts due to tourism and then they bite the hand that feeds them. I believe that there should be strict property purchasing regulations and restrictions in place to protect the local economy but they cant keep opening and closing the door willy nilly depending on which politician is being bribed the most. And still the Russian Mafia are there...as are the drugs and people traffickers but many British Tourists, Longtermers and repeat travellers are not going to be there this or next season.

I am a PIO and at the minute can legally purchase property in Goa or India but already many in India are wanting this to stop as well.....so we are going to end up with Indian Citizens only living in India.

They need to go back to the drawing board and re-think this or they will shoot themselves in the foot just as the HCI London did recently over visas.

Kind Regards,
Remy

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Some Uk couples have gone to Panjim to try to sort it out .

British couples knock at HC door
PANJIM: Two couples - Clive & Norma Pegg and Anthony and Carol Horwood, who are British nationals, working in India - had approached the High Court of Bombay at Goa alleging that they were victims of government "red tapism", as they are not being allowed to purchase property in Goa, despite completing 182 days in the country. In a drastic shift from the recent past, when foreigners could easily grab a piece of Goa's land, now a foreigner wanting to purchase property in the state, has to go through a longer and even stringent procedure. [GT]

Stephen Jones

It is quite possible that the guy didn't realize the £60,000 in traveller's cheques counted as cash. He only had £8,000 in cash.

Plenty of people think about declaring how much money they take out of the country (unless they want to take it out illegally). It's counter-intuitive to think you should declare what you take in.

Nick-H

Sixty thousand quid can not possibly be an accident!

like, Oh, Woops, I forgot to take last week's spending money out of my pocket!

Anyone who travels with such amounts must surely be suspected of trying, very purposely, to avoid some sort of law.

Otherwise, why not just use the bank?

the irish indian

Totally agree Nick........

And 60,000 quid is megabucks in the UK but in India its like a lifetimes money to many people. Nobody waltzes through airports with 60k in their back pocket unless there up to something ontoward!

Also i read somewhere that Customs where acting on a tip off from intelligence, so maybe there is more to this, than a blackmarket property transaction???

Also is there not a limit on the amount of travellars cheques one can buy at a time?

Regards,
Remy