Foreign owned property in Goa, (Part One)

greenchutney · Aug 5th, 2006, 01:19

ha! yeah i meant him or her. and i was not talking about your kind nick...

oh..even the officials here have second or third spouses.....

also wear that ash, sandalwood or parabola with mid red line really strong and all over the body...

capt_mahajan · Aug 5th, 2006, 01:23

i honestly dont see the indian government touching anybodys legitimate property and deporting them like uganda.

there is some method in their madness. even if i cant usually find it.

greenchutney · Aug 5th, 2006, 01:38

yeah cases like nick, he married an indian..you have nothing to worry about dude..you could for all you know become the prime minister of india if you wanted, chief minister of tamil nadu for sure...now only if you were in the tamil cinema industry rather than the carnatic music industry.. ...thalaivar haynes..

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Nick-H · Aug 5th, 2006, 03:30

I've already got in the habbit of wearing a towel over my shoulder

Nick-H · Aug 5th, 2006, 03:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by capt_mahajan

i honestly dont see the indian government touching anybodys legitimate property and deporting them like uganda.

Oh! Sorry! Did I slander Kenya when I meant Uganda?

History: Nil Marks.

Geography: Nil Marks.

luca · Aug 5th, 2006, 04:38

Another reason i had posted an article from the Herald (Nick deleted this as copyright violation was feared). Goa(Or at least the Herald newspaper) considers all Indians who are non Goan as well as people from abroad as foreigners or outsiders. You just have to read their fascist articles. The other day they had on their headlines- 5 million migrants to make Goa their home- Below that was an article asking that all non Goans should leave or Goa would become slum and crime infested. Acknowledged- There were a few high profile murders of non Goan businessmen by non Goans. Stuff like this just gives the fascist ammunition and usually it will be the majority progressive Goan who looses out. I do understand some of the sentiment prevalent there as a small percentage of the foreigners and Indians alike have tended to be exclusive and set up their own sequestered communes and have absolutely no interaction with the locals.Places like la Calypsa in Baga have even threatened the local fishermen (using local muscle power- Goans themselves collabrating for money). All this creates a bad atmosphere towards all non Goans. Strangely enough- the English are the most liked community in Goa (probably cause they drink as much as the Goans do!). Anyway- What i am trying to say here is - Treat the local Goan with a bit of respect- After all this is his land!

GoanCanuck · Aug 5th, 2006, 06:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnnieG

I had a rather scary email today from a friend in Goa who says that foreigners who own property are required to have CONTINUAL residency status, not just the 182 days required to purchase.

This is a grey area and I did ask a prominent lawyer in Goa about this issue. He replied that the law is very unclear on this matter and no one can say with any certainty how a judge would rule on this.

Shaktipalooza · Aug 5th, 2006, 06:51

Maybe i'll look at buying property in Karnataka after all.

johnrxx99 · Aug 14th, 2006, 23:58

I read the first 7 pages but skipped to here as the Brit brigade were getting too worked up.

This is a very similar situation to that in Thailand at the moment. The legal status of land ownership is very similar and expats have been buying through a bogus company route and the government have signalled they will be cracking down. Even though the law is straight forward people have convinced themselves that dishonest lawyers and developers are right and the law is wrong. Huh!

Why is it that expat Brits think they have to buy property where ever they go to find cheapness, be food or sex. What's wrong with being legal and renting.

Our fixation on buying has made fortunes for estate agents (me) builders and sharp lawyers as they see us coming.

Some very good posts on here, The Dentist and so on yet the Sandra's & Kevin's still think they are right. God help us!

johnrxx99 · Aug 15th, 2006, 00:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoanCanuck

This is a grey area and I did ask a prominent lawyer in Goa about this issue. He replied that the law is very unclear on this matter and no one can say with any certainty how a judge would rule on this.

Another bent laywer then!

dzibead · Aug 15th, 2006, 01:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnrxx99

I read the first 7 pages but skipped to here as the Brit brigade were getting too worked up. ...Some very good posts on here, The Dentist and so on yet the Sandra's & Kevin's still think they are right. God help us!

You should read the "Retiring to Goa" thread!

http://www.indiamike.com/india/showthread.php?t=24185

crvlvr · Aug 15th, 2006, 04:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnrxx99

Another bent laywer then!

Actually, no one can predict how the courts, especially the lower ones, will rule in India. And don't expect them to rule anytime quickly.

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnrxx99

Why is it that expat Brits think they have to buy property where ever they go to find cheapness, be food or sex. What's wrong with being legal and renting.

touche! especially when it is financially more attractive to rent. I think a lot of foreign tourists have been taken for a ride by the local unscrupulous business men. I found it interesting that the tourists had so much faith in their lawyer's advice. who, IMHO, are just a part of the racket. .

Quote:

Originally Posted by shaktipalooza

Maybe i'll look at buying property in Karnataka after all.

Won't make a difference as real estate ownership laws are at a federal level.

johnrxx99 · Aug 15th, 2006, 19:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by dzibead

You should read the "Retiring to Goa" thread!

http://www.indiamike.com/india/showthread.php?t=24185

Cor dzibead, see what you mean. Sensible discussion on BB's do get tedious sometimes. Not that I would wish to restart that thread topic, I did find it strange that no one raised the fact that as a foreigner one can't legally retire to India.

Your very early post about the problems caused by incomers and the disruption of local custom and families was a very good one. Incomers do change social fabric far faster than would have been the case otherwise. When the change is foreign in the sense of different language and values, the change can be rather ugly, well I haven't seen a pretty one yet. But that is the nature of life on this planet it seems.

I'm looking to place a softer footprint by renting for 6 months then either going back to the UK, or going somewhere else for a while. I am reaching an age where property ownership is more of an hinderance than a profit centre but then I can be smug as I've accumualted far more wealth from owning property than by having a bl**dy pension.

Hope this isn't out of context to the thread.

johnrxx99 · Aug 15th, 2006, 20:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by crvlvr

Actually, no one can predict how the courts, especially the lower ones, will rule in India. And don't expect them to rule anytime quickly.

I guess that is the case in many countries including the UK, and while Indian courts are well known for celebrating bicentenials of some of their cases, having a descision that would be so clearly wrong, and favour foreigners to such a degree, is hard to imagine.

Michael Winner could make a film of it I'd have thought - Death Wish 7

luca · Aug 17th, 2006, 07:24

The chief minister of Goa has made a statement saying that no tourists are allowed to buy a property. However, if people arrive on a business visa, they are free to buy property. Also the cases where property has been bought without permission from the Reserve Bank of India have been forwarded to the central government as Goa does not have the jurisdiction to deal with them. Neither do the courts as it is essentially government policy that has to be decided..

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johnrxx99 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: UK Posts: 110	I read the first 7 pages but skipped to here as the Brit brigade were getting too worked up. This is a very similar situation to that in Thailand at the moment. The legal status of land ownership is very similar and expats have been buying through a bogus company route and the government have signalled they will be cracking down. Even though the law is straight forward people have convinced themselves that dishonest lawyers and developers are right and the law is wrong. Huh! Why is it that expat Brits think they have to buy property where ever they go to find cheapness, be food or sex. What's wrong with being legal and renting. Our fixation on buying has made fortunes for estate agents (me) builders and sharp lawyers as they see us coming. Some very good posts on here, The Dentist and so on yet the Sandra's & Kevin's still think they are right. God help us!

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