Who will control Kashmir in 30 Years?

steven_ber · Jun 11th, 2003, 16:18

Who will control Kashmir in 30 Years?

No change.

An Independent Kashmir.

India (with no objections from Pakistan).

Pakistan.

The UN.

Other.

wonderwomanusa · Jun 12th, 2003, 02:05

Maybe in 30 years the PTB of India, Bangladesh, and Pakistan will see the economic and social wisdom of re-uniting the countries into one terrifically strong and prosperous country.

maree · Jun 12th, 2003, 02:18

I clicked 'No change'.... I can't see either party backing down and there are also the fanatics on both sides.... I can't see peace talks resolving much - look at the Israel-Palestine flare up again just days after talks. An independent Kashmir would seem like an ideal compromise perhaps encompassing the Northern Areas of Pakistan (which aren't, of course, officially part of Pakistan anyway), i.e. both India and Pakistan giving something away....but that's not going to happen either. And I don't think the area would have the economic ability to function as an independent country without a lot of help from the rest of the world.

maree · Jun 14th, 2003, 17:19

Interesting to see that "India (with no objections from Pakistan)" is running second to "No Change".... personally, I really can't see this happening - there would definitely be objections, I think.

snain · Jun 14th, 2003, 21:28

Even I clicked at no change. I believe it's not going to change, not during my lifetime.
No wonder 'India with no onjections from Pakistan' is running second .. we have many Indians as members

steven_ber · Jun 14th, 2003, 21:50

I have a feeling the Israel/Palestine situation could be resolved in the next 10 years, I think however, the terrorists who claim to be Muslims will then turn their attention to Kashmir.

India will go to war if it has to and the world knows it, this will force most world leaders to do everything in their power to resolve the situation, I'm not sure an independent Kashmir would mean an end to the problems but it would look like an attractive solution, maybe it could work.

Just off to teach my pig to fly...

Alan D · Jun 15th, 2003, 01:52

I am also one of the pessimists who voted no change. This has been a long running dispute with no real signs of a solution in sight. The people of Kashmir have suffered in this confrontation between India and Pakistan for too long - many Kashmiris have died and many have had to leave their place of birth and build a new life elsewhere.

Vast amounts of money have been spent in maintaining armies in the area. This is money that could have been better spent in improving the infrastructure of both India and Pakistan. The responsibility lies with those in power on both sides to come to an agreement which guarantees the people of Kashmir a peaceful future. Easier said than done, I know, but the citizens of both countries should bring pressure on their leaders to finally sort this situation out.

Now in my 63rd year I don't think I will live to see it but I hope I'm wrong.

Jun 16th, 2003, 22:00

i am willing to bet on peace in the near future - say one year !

Secondly, Kashmir will remain with India - PoK wants to be back in India ,btw - any travellers confirming this ?

Cheers !

Alan D · Jun 17th, 2003, 02:32

I've never been a gambler archits otherwise I would take you on!

I hope you are right on this but I don't see any real signs. Both sides are still playing the political game for their own political ends.

The damage to my ego if I'm wrong will be of little consequence compared to the benefits for the people of Kashmir and the Indian sub-continent if you are right.

Hopefully, I'll talk with you again about this in a years time.

snain · Jun 17th, 2003, 16:35

archits, You make it all appear so easy

i wish everything goes the way you predict it to be

Alan D · Jun 23rd, 2003, 16:42

archits

You have half convinced me that better times may lie ahead for Kashmir.

The American change in attitude towards both India and Pakistan is going to be a major factor in achieving a peaceful solution.

Perhaps the fanatics who murder young women for wearing the wrong clothes could be encouraged to open up carpet or handicraft shops? Now that would be a happy ending!

Adam18au · Jun 23rd, 2003, 18:44

Well guys im one thats half pesimist half hopeful, i voted for the UN because someone has to do somethign about it, so i hope they act on it aand put this to an end.

indiansitar · Mar 28th, 2005, 20:19

what does everyone say now ? i think looks like peace and india

beach · Mar 28th, 2005, 20:32

I voted No change. Pak Kashmir with pakistan and Indan Kashmir with India. But this will became a bit meaning less if people are allowed to travel freely between the two Kashmirs. It will became less important an issue as long as people are able to rule themselve thru democraticaly elected reps and able to move freely. The recent agreement on travel (Indians and pakistanies visiting each others regions) without visa or passport is HUGE move by both Pakistan & India.

beach · Mar 28th, 2005, 20:37

Oh, now I've seen the results !!! An independ kashmir is the last thing (both India & Pakistan will allow). Independent from whome? People talked of the same kinds of things about (Indian)Punjab a couple of decades back. Now terrorism or Khalistan is the last thing people feel when they meet a Sikh

View Poll Results: Who will control Kashmir in 30 Years?
No change.	66	33.50%
An Independent Kashmir.	38	19.29%
India (with no objections from Pakistan).	60	30.46%
Pakistan.	3	1.52%
The UN.	17	8.63%
Other.	13	6.60%
Voters: 197. You may not vote on this poll

Jun 11th, 2003, 16:18	#1
steven_ber Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: London, England. Posts: 9,147	Who will control Kashmir in 30 Years? Who will control Kashmir in 30 Years? No change. An Independent Kashmir. India (with no objections from Pakistan). Pakistan. The UN. Other.

Jun 12th, 2003, 02:05	#2
wonderwomanusa Maha Guru Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Northern California Posts: 3,465	Maybe in 30 years the PTB of India, Bangladesh, and Pakistan will see the economic and social wisdom of re-uniting the countries into one terrifically strong and prosperous country. __________________ The map is not the territory. --Alfred Korzybski

Jun 14th, 2003, 21:50	#6
steven_ber Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: London, England. Posts: 9,147	We live in hope... I have a feeling the Israel/Palestine situation could be resolved in the next 10 years, I think however, the terrorists who claim to be Muslims will then turn their attention to Kashmir. India will go to war if it has to and the world knows it, this will force most world leaders to do everything in their power to resolve the situation, I'm not sure an independent Kashmir would mean an end to the problems but it would look like an attractive solution, maybe it could work. Just off to teach my pig to fly...

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Jun 12th, 2003, 02:18	#3
maree Maha Guru Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: New Zealander in Bangkok Posts: 850	I clicked 'No change'.... I can't see either party backing down and there are also the fanatics on both sides.... I can't see peace talks resolving much - look at the Israel-Palestine flare up again just days after talks. An independent Kashmir would seem like an ideal compromise perhaps encompassing the Northern Areas of Pakistan (which aren't, of course, officially part of Pakistan anyway), i.e. both India and Pakistan giving something away....but that's not going to happen either. And I don't think the area would have the economic ability to function as an independent country without a lot of help from the rest of the world.

Jun 14th, 2003, 17:19	#4
maree Maha Guru Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: New Zealander in Bangkok Posts: 850	Interesting to see that "India (with no objections from Pakistan)" is running second to "No Change".... personally, I really can't see this happening - there would definitely be objections, I think.

Jun 14th, 2003, 21:28	#5
snain Sandeep Nain Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Chandigarh, India Posts: 74	Even I clicked at no change. I believe it's not going to change, not during my lifetime. No wonder 'India with no onjections from Pakistan' is running second .. we have many Indians as members

Jun 15th, 2003, 01:52	#7
Alan D Maha Guru Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Southampton UK Posts: 1,866	I am also one of the pessimists who voted no change. This has been a long running dispute with no real signs of a solution in sight. The people of Kashmir have suffered in this confrontation between India and Pakistan for too long - many Kashmiris have died and many have had to leave their place of birth and build a new life elsewhere. Vast amounts of money have been spent in maintaining armies in the area. This is money that could have been better spent in improving the infrastructure of both India and Pakistan. The responsibility lies with those in power on both sides to come to an agreement which guarantees the people of Kashmir a peaceful future. Easier said than done, I know, but the citizens of both countries should bring pressure on their leaders to finally sort this situation out. Now in my 63rd year I don't think I will live to see it but I hope I'm wrong.

Jun 16th, 2003, 22:00	#8
archits Posts: n/a	i am willing to bet on peace in the near future - say one year ! Secondly, Kashmir will remain with India - PoK wants to be back in India ,btw - any travellers confirming this ? Cheers !

Jun 17th, 2003, 02:32	#9
Alan D Maha Guru Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Southampton UK Posts: 1,866	I've never been a gambler archits otherwise I would take you on! I hope you are right on this but I don't see any real signs. Both sides are still playing the political game for their own political ends. The damage to my ego if I'm wrong will be of little consequence compared to the benefits for the people of Kashmir and the Indian sub-continent if you are right. Hopefully, I'll talk with you again about this in a years time.

Jun 17th, 2003, 16:35	#10
snain Sandeep Nain Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Chandigarh, India Posts: 74	archits, You make it all appear so easy i wish everything goes the way you predict it to be

Jun 23rd, 2003, 16:42	#11
Alan D Maha Guru Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Southampton UK Posts: 1,866	archits You have half convinced me that better times may lie ahead for Kashmir. The American change in attitude towards both India and Pakistan is going to be a major factor in achieving a peaceful solution. Perhaps the fanatics who murder young women for wearing the wrong clothes could be encouraged to open up carpet or handicraft shops? Now that would be a happy ending!

Jun 23rd, 2003, 18:44	#12
Adam18au Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Adelaide, Australia Posts: 73	Well guys im one thats half pesimist half hopeful, i voted for the UN because someone has to do somethign about it, so i hope they act on it aand put this to an end.

Mar 28th, 2005, 20:19	#13
indiansitar Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: India Posts: 18	what does everyone say now ? i think looks like peace and india

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Mar 28th, 2005, 20:32	#14
beach Lost in translation Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: India ! Posts: 2,233	I voted No change. Pak Kashmir with pakistan and Indan Kashmir with India. But this will became a bit meaning less if people are allowed to travel freely between the two Kashmirs. It will became less important an issue as long as people are able to rule themselve thru democraticaly elected reps and able to move freely. The recent agreement on travel (Indians and pakistanies visiting each others regions) without visa or passport is HUGE move by both Pakistan & India.

Mar 28th, 2005, 20:37	#15
beach Lost in translation Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: India ! Posts: 2,233	Oh, now I've seen the results !!! An independ kashmir is the last thing (both India & Pakistan will allow). Independent from whome? People talked of the same kinds of things about (Indian)Punjab a couple of decades back. Now terrorism or Khalistan is the last thing people feel when they meet a Sikh