To what extent did Hinduism influence your religious beliefs?

bent_gate · Jul 10th, 2007, 03:03

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Originally Posted by ddevadatta

No need for any institution by such estimates. Find your own path in the political landscape. Find your own path towards road building. Find your own path without any institution in life. Find your own path in making a living without companies or institutions. Find your own path and life becomes impossible.

Firstly, not the same contexts to relate to. Besides, suggestion is not to be completely ignorant. Learn, read, explore, experience, assimilate, but draw your conclusions on right and wrong. Ofcourse, doesn't mean that you will draw conclusions contrary to popular opinion either. For that will lead to conflict.

Simply, just look at existing religions with suspicion, as they have been manipulated by men after, to suit their political needs. How certain are you that the Islam (in any of the schools) that exists today is the flavor Prophet envisioned? Or extend the same argument to Buddhism or I would like to say Hinduism. But being a Hindu, I know far less about my own religion. So less I comment, the better. But guess you get the gist.

ddevadatta · Jul 11th, 2007, 04:21

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Originally Posted by batistuta

You seemed to have missed that point of My post. I particularly emphasised your using the term 'Just wars'. Well, War is just war. There is nothing just about wars. There is no morality involved here. ( as Macha Correctly points out)

Your argument that dropping bombs in Nagasaki and Hiroshima actually saved lives is also contested. Seeing that some members of the U.s. army who were involved in the war thought that the bombing was unnecessary, I would believe their version of what happened than someone who was not present at that time (Like, yourself). See Military unnecessary in this link, if interested.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_...a nd_Nagasaki

You also posted that another aspect of the just war was whether the victor helps the defeated. That point of view is quite comical. The Main reason why the U.S. Helped was due to Reds(as the capt points out) and not due to some sudden attack of remorse at killing so many People.

Conspiracy theories are nothing new. Some are apt at it. Frankly I would check with credible historians...

batistuta · Jul 11th, 2007, 05:06

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Originally Posted by ddevadatta

Conspiracy theories are nothing new. Some are apt at it. Frankly I would check with credible historians...

It just goes to show that history is not your forte.

I will leave it at that. Ha!ha!

Barryjames · Jul 11th, 2007, 06:08

I have read this thread over and over. I try to be humourous where I have no solution but there are times when more is required, this is one of those times. I have also succumbed to the common idiom.
Suppose we revert to the initial question, what then?
I remember the following from somewhere, I cannot remember where, to me it seems like it is needed now.
It is a hope: Perhaps it is even the hope: because, without this spirit which brings men together in a COMPLETE MORAL TRANSPARENCY, there is surely no alternative to the vicious circles of deception and revengeful destruction which has plagued mankind from its conception until, I have no doubt, its eventual, self motivated destruction.
Think about it.

This obviously applies to all, why is it than almost any discussion involving things surreal, cannot be completed without reverting to the inimical status of a personal ideal or grudge?

‘A man has to believe in something, so I believe that I shall have another glass of Talisker'.

eswarpr · Jul 13th, 2007, 22:39

I thought I would contribute to this thread with my humble knowledge of a very valuable school of life that was in India in it's ancient times. I am a born, practising, Indian Hindu. After about 6 pages, I thought it is not worth it - I have learnt from my Gurus that the most important part of a conversation is the availability of a person to listen to what others are saying. I can't see a lot of people here who are ready to do that.

The first thing that you should understand before bracketing anything regarding Hinduism is that it was a "way of life" - it never was thought of as a religion, not then, not now. All the communal strife between Hindus and "other" religions in India is because of a vehement need to protect this way of life - which they, rightly, believe will be lost if left to the "other" religions. This way of life needs to be protected because this is probably the only way of life (as opposed to other religions) that allows for a very scientific and rational introspection into one self and allows that person to speak it out. If that way of life is lost, then there is nothing to protect in the land of India - because India's backbone is this way of life.

I will not post a lot about the philosophy that this way of life is based on, because as I said before - there needs to be a good listener to have a good conversation.

Peace!

Nick-H · Jul 13th, 2007, 22:51

He who plainly has a closed mind and lack of tolerance should not try to teach others about listening.

Eve68 · Jul 14th, 2007, 16:39

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Originally Posted by Nick-H

He who plainly has a closed mind and lack of tolerance should not try to teach others about listening.

Huh?

Please explain.

batistuta · Jul 14th, 2007, 17:05

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Originally Posted by eswarpr

This way of life needs to be protected because this is probably the only way of life (as opposed to other religions) that allows for a very scientific and rational introspection into one self and allows that person to speak it out. If that way of life is lost, then there is nothing to protect in the land of India - because India's backbone is this way of life.

I will not post a lot about the philosophy that this way of life is based on, because as I said before - there needs to be a good listener to have a good conversation.

Peace!

I agree with your point about a few paths in Hindusim (sanatana Dharma)
which allows for scientific and rational introspection of the self. There are a few Buddhist school of thoughts which allows one to do the same(dzogchen and Zen Buddhism). There are a few schools of thought in Christianity and Islam (sufism) also.

There are few enlightened people who were born here and there are many different school's of thought. Could you elaborate a bit on the Philosophy of Life that you are talking about?

Give this forum a bit more credit will ya?

The members generally listen to anybody who has anything worthwhile to contribute.

Oliver Schulz · Jul 15th, 2007, 03:59

what about setting the same questions on other indian religions? i came across many in india and many of them i did not only understand better but felt much easier to get involved - as i am, you might have guessed from my name, not a born hindu. what about islam, sikhism, buddhism, kabirism, anyotherism?

machadinha · Jul 15th, 2007, 04:11

Now that you mention, I think anyotherism has greatly influenced me

Nick-H · Jul 15th, 2007, 15:20

Good question!

I sometimes feel, although knowing almost nothing about it, that Jain religion is something that I should find out about...

CurryUpYaar · Aug 11th, 2007, 00:30

In my opinion, Hinduism is a collection of beliefs, superstitions, myths, legends, and various traditions based upon the original spiritual ideas of the vedas and upanishads. These have all been stirred together, forming a rich, hot and spicy way of life. And much like the curry we eat, different communities in India tweak this "religion" to different flavors and intensities.

I am not religious at all. I am spiritual, but do not like the idea of man-made religion. The Indian way of life however, allows me to be good, kind, honest and spiritual; yet free to follow those traditions that suit my own way of life.

View Poll Results: To what extent did Hinduism influence your religious beliefs? (for non-hindus only)
I was not much interested in understanding it so I don't know.	6	4.11%
I do not think too highly of it so I wasn't influenced at all.	9	6.16%
I respect it as I respect any other religion, but it is not for me.	50	34.25%
I did get influenced a little, but I still have my own religious beliefs.	33	22.60%
Hinduism has influenced me and challenged a lot of my previous religious beliefs.	20	13.70%
Hinduism speaks to me in a special way and totally changed my religious beliefs.	28	19.18%
Voters: 146. You may not vote on this poll

Jul 13th, 2007, 22:51	#141
Nick-H Loud-mouthed, Noisy Bird Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 26,882	He who plainly has a closed mind and lack of tolerance should not try to teach others about listening. __________________ . Just one member of the IndiaMike Mod Team

Jul 15th, 2007, 04:11	#145
machadinha Not Your Guru Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: yörp Posts: 10,577	Now that you mention, I think anyotherism has greatly influenced me __________________ Reading tips, all picked up at IndiaMike : INDAX's A Comprehensive Guide To India / Dinoj Surendran's Desi Humor / ITHVC on Culture Shock & Travel Health / JetLag Travel Guides For the Undiscerning Traveller / India Travel Links

Aug 11th, 2007, 00:30	#147
CurryUpYaar Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: New Jersey Posts: 5	Hinduism: A Way of Life In my opinion, Hinduism is a collection of beliefs, superstitions, myths, legends, and various traditions based upon the original spiritual ideas of the vedas and upanishads. These have all been stirred together, forming a rich, hot and spicy way of life. And much like the curry we eat, different communities in India tweak this "religion" to different flavors and intensities. I am not religious at all. I am spiritual, but do not like the idea of man-made religion. The Indian way of life however, allows me to be good, kind, honest and spiritual; yet free to follow those traditions that suit my own way of life.

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Jul 11th, 2007, 06:08	#139
Barryjames Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Goa Posts: 93	I have read this thread over and over. I try to be humourous where I have no solution but there are times when more is required, this is one of those times. I have also succumbed to the common idiom. Suppose we revert to the initial question, what then? I remember the following from somewhere, I cannot remember where, to me it seems like it is needed now. It is a hope: Perhaps it is even the hope: because, without this spirit which brings men together in a COMPLETE MORAL TRANSPARENCY, there is surely no alternative to the vicious circles of deception and revengeful destruction which has plagued mankind from its conception until, I have no doubt, its eventual, self motivated destruction. Think about it. This obviously applies to all, why is it than almost any discussion involving things surreal, cannot be completed without reverting to the inimical status of a personal ideal or grudge? ‘A man has to believe in something, so I believe that I shall have another glass of Talisker'.

Jul 13th, 2007, 22:39	#140
eswarpr Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: London, UK Posts: 2	I thought I would contribute to this thread with my humble knowledge of a very valuable school of life that was in India in it's ancient times. I am a born, practising, Indian Hindu. After about 6 pages, I thought it is not worth it - I have learnt from my Gurus that the most important part of a conversation is the availability of a person to listen to what others are saying. I can't see a lot of people here who are ready to do that. The first thing that you should understand before bracketing anything regarding Hinduism is that it was a "way of life" - it never was thought of as a religion, not then, not now. All the communal strife between Hindus and "other" religions in India is because of a vehement need to protect this way of life - which they, rightly, believe will be lost if left to the "other" religions. This way of life needs to be protected because this is probably the only way of life (as opposed to other religions) that allows for a very scientific and rational introspection into one self and allows that person to speak it out. If that way of life is lost, then there is nothing to protect in the land of India - because India's backbone is this way of life. I will not post a lot about the philosophy that this way of life is based on, because as I said before - there needs to be a good listener to have a good conversation. Peace!

Jul 15th, 2007, 03:59	#144
Oliver Schulz Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 47	what about setting the same questions on other indian religions? i came across many in india and many of them i did not only understand better but felt much easier to get involved - as i am, you might have guessed from my name, not a born hindu. what about islam, sikhism, buddhism, kabirism, anyotherism?

Jul 15th, 2007, 15:20	#146
Nick-H Loud-mouthed, Noisy Bird Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 26,882	Good question! I sometimes feel, although knowing almost nothing about it, that Jain religion is something that I should find out about...

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