To what extent did Hinduism influence your religious beliefs?

Nick-H · Jul 5th, 2007, 19:20

See my post 88

Barryjames · Jul 5th, 2007, 19:41

Then the bar chart is all that is required from anyone? Sorry, if that is so, why the need for the thread?

The chief danger in life is that you may take too many precautions

.....Alfred Adler....

ddevadatta · Jul 6th, 2007, 04:57

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Originally Posted by Nick-H

Depends entirely on the motivation, doesn't it?

It would be far more than just motivation. The Jihadists have motivation as well as Hitler was very very motivated (determined). The case is about what traditionally has been called just war. I would say that the world wars were indeed just. This is why wars are tricky because what is just for one side will not be just for the other side. This is why in any war the goal is defeat; case an point the Japanese surrender. The other aspect of just war is whether the victor seeks to assist the defeated. Case and point again: the Marshall Plan for Europe, or the investment in Japan and even of late Vietnam. Former enemies are now friends (within a generation even, but that comes only after defeat.

batistuta · Jul 6th, 2007, 05:12

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Originally Posted by ddevadatta

It would be far more than just motivation. The Jihadists have motivation as well as Hitler was very very motivated (determined). The case is about what traditionally has been called just war. I would say that the world wars were indeed just. This is why wars are tricky because what is just for one side will not be just for the other side. This is why in any war the goal is defeat; case an point the Japanese surrender. The other aspect of just war is whether the victor seeks to assist the defeated. Case and point again: the Marshall Plan for Europe, or the investment in Japan and even of late Vietnam. Former enemies are now friends (within a generation even, but that comes only after defeat.

I am sure the People In Hiroshima and Nagasaki and the People who got Killed in the My Lai massacre might beg to differ with you on that one( The wars being just .....)

Nick-H · Jul 6th, 2007, 14:04

Even in relatively just wars, unjust things get done.

Just because the destruction of Dresden may have been an unnecessary act of vandalism (for instance) does not mean that Hitler should have been allowed to take over Europe.

Perhaps I should have used the word motive rather than motivation?

capt_mahajan · Jul 6th, 2007, 14:14

Offtopic, but I can never think of Dresden without Coventry... or the story (since it is disputed) that the British kept quiet about their pre-knowledge of the Conventry bombings because they did not want to let on that they had broken the German Enigma (?) code.

Barryjames · Jul 6th, 2007, 16:27

The ‘Enigma' Code (broken initially by the Polish before the start of the last war, worked on by the British constantly until 1945) Saved many thousands of lives, not just the British but many other nations lives also; including German, Indian, and 20 million Russians.

If warnings had been put out on receipt of every action or raid etc, discovered, it would have become useless and the result would have extended the war and subsequently ended the lives of many people.

Think about it: If we had the knowledge of this system fully before the war would have lasted months, not years, Possibly would not have started at all.

The English are not happy unless they are miserable, The Irish are not at peace unless they are at war, The Scottish are not at home unless they are abroad.
.....George Orwell.....

NB: I am Scottish

Nick-H · Jul 6th, 2007, 16:51

Whoa!!!

Now, I know I am as much to blame as anyone, but I think we have strayed just too far from the thread topic...

blackbird · Jul 6th, 2007, 18:58

I don't know, you just can't have a discussion about Hinduism without Hitler being mentioned....

Amyth · Jul 6th, 2007, 19:23

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Originally Posted by blackbird

I don't know, you just can't have a discussion about Hinduism without Hitler being mentioned....

Despotism and Hinduism together ?!!

Nick-H · Jul 6th, 2007, 19:47

Hitler doesn't have the usual internet meaning here on this forum.

Its cows and dogs that are magic words here!!!!!

machadinha · Jul 6th, 2007, 23:08

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Originally Posted by blackbird

I don't know, you just can't have a discussion about Hinduism without Hitler being mentioned....

It's Godwin's Law all over again!

AvidTrekker · Jul 6th, 2007, 23:55

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Originally Posted by machadinha

It's Godwin's Law all over again!

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Originally Posted by Godwin's Law

Fine, fine - it means that somebody's eventually going to say
something about the Nazis in any thread that lasts very long. When it happens, the thread is going to start either degenerating into a long flamewar over Nazi Germany or about Godwin's Law. Either way, the thread is effectively over, and you can safely killfile the thread and move on.

Now I know what to do

.... mention Nazis on some trekking thread and then point to machadinha saying "he taught me to do it"

....

.
.

machadinha · Jul 6th, 2007, 23:58

Y'r most welcome Avid

Nick-H · Jul 7th, 2007, 00:00

God Win... you see...

Back to religion again.

Oh No! Maybe I've fulfilled the law!

View Poll Results: To what extent did Hinduism influence your religious beliefs? (for non-hindus only)
I was not much interested in understanding it so I don't know.	6	4.11%
I do not think too highly of it so I wasn't influenced at all.	9	6.16%
I respect it as I respect any other religion, but it is not for me.	50	34.25%
I did get influenced a little, but I still have my own religious beliefs.	33	22.60%
Hinduism has influenced me and challenged a lot of my previous religious beliefs.	20	13.70%
Hinduism speaks to me in a special way and totally changed my religious beliefs.	28	19.18%
Voters: 146. You may not vote on this poll

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Jul 5th, 2007, 19:41	#107
Barryjames Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Goa Posts: 93	Then the bar chart is all that is required from anyone? Sorry, if that is so, why the need for the thread? The chief danger in life is that you may take too many precautions .....Alfred Adler....

Jul 6th, 2007, 14:04	#110
Nick-H Loud-mouthed, Noisy Bird Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 27,714	Even in relatively just wars, unjust things get done. Just because the destruction of Dresden may have been an unnecessary act of vandalism (for instance) does not mean that Hitler should have been allowed to take over Europe. Perhaps I should have used the word motive rather than motivation?

Jul 6th, 2007, 14:14	#111
capt_mahajan (in charge of navel affairs) Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: India Posts: 10,538	Offtopic, but I can never think of Dresden without Coventry... or the story (since it is disputed) that the British kept quiet about their pre-knowledge of the Conventry bombings because they did not want to let on that they had broken the German Enigma (?) code.

Jul 6th, 2007, 16:27	#112
Barryjames Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Goa Posts: 93	The ‘Enigma' Code (broken initially by the Polish before the start of the last war, worked on by the British constantly until 1945) Saved many thousands of lives, not just the British but many other nations lives also; including German, Indian, and 20 million Russians. If warnings had been put out on receipt of every action or raid etc, discovered, it would have become useless and the result would have extended the war and subsequently ended the lives of many people. Think about it: If we had the knowledge of this system fully before the war would have lasted months, not years, Possibly would not have started at all. The English are not happy unless they are miserable, The Irish are not at peace unless they are at war, The Scottish are not at home unless they are abroad. .....George Orwell..... NB: I am Scottish

Jul 6th, 2007, 16:51	#113
Nick-H Loud-mouthed, Noisy Bird Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 27,714	Whoa!!! Now, I know I am as much to blame as anyone, but I think we have strayed just too far from the thread topic...

Jul 6th, 2007, 18:58	#114
blackbird Jai Maa Tarini Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Bristol, England Posts: 391	I don't know, you just can't have a discussion about Hinduism without Hitler being mentioned....

Jul 6th, 2007, 19:47	#116
Nick-H Loud-mouthed, Noisy Bird Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 27,714	Hitler doesn't have the usual internet meaning here on this forum. Its cows and dogs that are magic words here!!!!!

Jul 6th, 2007, 23:58	#119
machadinha Not Your Guru Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: yörp Posts: 11,089	Y'r most welcome Avid

Jul 7th, 2007, 00:00	#120
Nick-H Loud-mouthed, Noisy Bird Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 27,714	God Win... you see... Back to religion again. Oh No! Maybe I've fulfilled the law!

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