Advise: cannon 1000D or nikon P90?

#1 Mar 21st, 2010, 16:49
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Hello everybody,
I started loving photography since 4-5 years.
Right now I have basic 8.0 mega pixel digital camera.
I want to upgrade my camera but I want to go step by step.
First step is to take basic DSLR cameras.
My main interest is nature and landscape photography with some quality pics. My price range is unto 30 k.
I found 2 good models, 1. cannon 1000D and 2. Nikon P90.
P 90 is not typical DSLR but found good views(specially newbies like me who want to upgrade in photography)
I don't have much knowledge for all this.
Do I need to take extra lenses to cover my interests or 18-55 mm lens with 1000D cam is enough?


I request expert members of this forum to help me.

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Hi friend,

P-90 is a highly developed point and shoot digital camera with 24X zoom, 12.1 mp and some more advanced features than a basic digicam. But the main thing is its image sensor. As you are already using a basic digital camera, then you will not get extremely high quality pictures in P-90 compared to you present camera. What extra benefit you will get is the tele and wide features of the lens and some basic exposure control. This will not enrich your picture quality but will let you learn the basics of photography.

Since you intend to invest 30k for your camera I would suggest you to go for a DSLR camera of Canon or Nikon. Canon 1000D has one problem, the 18-55 mm lens that is provided with the camera is not a IS (image stabilization) lens. But Nikon D3000 (may be out of market now) or D5000 comes with 18-55 mm VR (vibration reduction) lens.

The prices will be around your budget.

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Buy 1000 D with 18-55 IS + 55-250 IS lens, cost approx 38K or buy a Canon SX 20 IS ( 28-560 zoom ) 28 K or Canon SX 1 IS ( 28-560 zoom ) 32K , donot buy P 90. I have a Canon 1000D with 18-55 kit lens, camera is very good but 18-55 is not sufficient for me, buying another lens means investing another 15 K.

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Hi alok,

Can you tell me where above mentioned stuff avialable? Is it with warranty?
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Yes, I don't prefer P-90 at all.
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Originally Posted by einstein02007 View Post My main interest is nature and landscape photography with some quality pics. My price range is unto 30 k.

Do I need to take extra lenses to cover my interests or 18-55 mm lens with 1000D cam is enough?
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Originally Posted by Sayantan View Post Hi friend,

P-90 is a highly developed point and shoot digital camera with 24X zoom, 12.1 mp and some more advanced features than a basic digicam. But the main thing is its image sensor.
... Canon 1000D has one problem, the 18-55 mm lens that is provided with the camera is not a IS (image stabilization) lens. But Nikon D3000 (may be out of market now) or D5000 comes with 18-55 mm VR (vibration reduction) lens.
True. The difference is the size of the sensor. DSLRs have a bigger sensor than most of the available point & shoots. The bigger sensor gives you better quality pics.
These days even mobile phones will give you a 5 MP camera .. but their quality is frankly .. crap. The reason is their small sensor.
But having said that .. do not underestimate a Point & Shoot. I know a lot of people who get brilliant results with a point & shoot.

You need to consider your style of shooting, the flexibility you require in terms of pre-photo settings, and whether you are likely to require a different lens someday (which is not possible in a P&S). Also most P&S cameras (including the P90) do not support shooting in RAW (Google RAW if you don't know), which could be a major downer.

If you like to tweak some settings and play around with photos, I'll suggest you go for a DSLR.

The 1000D, as far as I know, can be bought with an IS (Image Stabilization) kit lens. You could also consider 450D.
In the Nikon stable, you can have a look at the D3000 & D5000 with a VR (Vibration Reduction, I think) kit lens, as Sayantan pointed out. Both Nikon and Canon are equal in terms of quality etc. Have a look at both the cameras and decide for yourself which feels better (and that is the best advice I got when I was about to buy my DSLR).

The kit lens 18-55mm would be perfect first lens if you are interested in nature photography. The reason is that it has 18mm on the wide side. Usually when you are looking to do Landscape photography, you need a wide angle lens. Zoom lenses (near the 55mm, and above) are required if you would like to, say, photograph birds & animals (or cricket match!).

Wider lenses are available .. but they are usually pretty costly.
So I'll suggest go with an entry level DSLR, along with a kit lens.

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Originally Posted by ganuhegger View Post Hi alok,

Can you tell me where above mentioned stuff avialable? Is it with warranty?
Have a look at this thread .. Pritam Sons at Chandni Chowk - are they reliable?

EDIT: I am sorry .. I assumed you were in Delhi (my bad!).
I have no clue about shops in/ around Hubli.

You can give www.jjmehta.com a try though. You could even get a price estimate from their website (or by calling them).
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Originally Posted by ganuhegger View Post Hi alok,

Can you tell me where above mentioned stuff avialable? Is it with warranty?
Hi Friend
I think Hubli is in West Bengal and the best and cheapest Canon/Nikon authorised dealer in kolkata is MM Stores, Metro Gali Kolkata, donot have phone nos, u can easily search on net. They are very cheap and reliable.

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Originally Posted by alokclicks View Post Hi Friend
I think Hubli is in West Bengal and the best and cheapest Canon/Nikon authorised dealer in kolkata is MM Stores, Metro Gali Kolkata, donot have phone nos, u can easily search on net. They are very cheap and reliable.

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Hi Alok,

Hubli is in Karnataka. In Bengal, its Hoogly. Never mind its really confusing. In Kolkata, M M Photo at Metro gali is a good shop but they are not authorised dealer of any of the Camera makers. They are reputed grey market dealers. They don't provide any Cash Memo for the purchase and so you will not get warranty on the product. But I have heard they are reliable.

M M Photo is well known in Eastern India grey market.

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Confusion persists, cannon 1000D, Nikon D3000 or sonyA230L

Thanks everybody sayantan, alokclicks and username_X for sharing invaluable information to me.
Now I am definitely dropping idea of P90 as I already have P and S digital camera( samsung make 8.0 mp but satisfied with result compare to cost, please look at my gallery and comment on pic quality, I need to learn where lies the difference between this and DSLRs)

username_x, you flickr gallery pics are awesome, please let me know which camera you are using

There is still some confusion, please bare with my stupid looking questions.( I m newbie, need to learn lot about SLRs)

- Does cannon 1000 D take pic in macro mode as we are taking in other digital cams, macro is one of my favorites.

- Does this cam have facility of video recording, short clips as we do in other digital cameras?

www.jjmehta.com seems to be best near possible source from where I can get this product.

Coming to main question, after some research I came to know 2 models other than cannon

Nikon D3000 with 18-55mm VR lens with 2 yrs warranty price 27,500.(does this VR- vibration reduction lens quality same as IS lens of cannon?)

Sony A230L 25,990. heard somewhere that there is inbuilt image stabilizer in camera(so no need to take IS lens), some say its good , other says its company gimmick. they claim this is more stylish, good looking, fast and less complicated slr then others, best suited for first timers. what is your opinion about it?

and finally My inclination is:

Canon EOS 1000D with 18-55mm Lens with 2 yr warranty 24,500.(this lens is non IS lens, Wat can be the price of 1000D with 18-55 IS lens - anybody knows?)

As I mentioned I want to upgrade step by step and mainly interested in nature and landscape photography, with some occasional macro type(flowers etc.). I dont want to invest much at initial stage.

Considering above requirement is it must to take IS lens or simple non IS cannon 1000D will do the required job? quality of VR lens of Nikon is same or different than IS lens of cannon? Nikon, Sony or cannon? whats your take?

Kindly advise and guide further to finalize it.

thanks.
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Originally Posted by einstein02007 View Post - Does cannon 1000 D take pic in macro mode as we are taking in other digital cams, macro is one of my favorites.
Macro mode is available in almost all cameras including 1000 D. DSLR cameras additionally allow one to use 'macro lenses' specially made for this purpose when one gets serious about advanced macro photography.

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Does this cam have facility of video recording, short clips as we do in other digital cameras?
No, 1000 D doesn't have video function , Canon 500d is the cheapest DSLR in Canon range to have video functionality.

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Coming to main question, after some research I came to know 2 models other than cannon

Nikon D3000 with 18-55mm VR lens with 2 yrs warranty price 27,500.(does this VR- vibration reduction lens quality same as IS lens of cannon?)
Yes, different companies use different terms for image stabilization : Canon - IS, Nikon - VR, Tamaron - VC, Sigma - OS

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Sony A230L 25,990. heard somewhere that there is inbuilt image stabilizer in camera(so no need to take IS lens), some say its good , other says its company gimmick. they claim this is more stylish, good looking, fast and less complicated slr then others, best suited for first timers. what is your opinion about it?
Its a much debated topic - effectiveness of inbuilt image stabilizer. It certainly works but whether it is as effective as lens stabilization remains an open debate.

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and finally My inclination is:

Canon EOS 1000D with 18-55mm Lens with 2 yr warranty 24,500.(this lens is non IS lens, Wat can be the price of 1000D with 18-55 IS lens - anybody knows?)
In another thread this site was mentioned - smartshoppers.in . You can use this as reference for checking the prices. 1000 D kit with 18-55 IS is available at around Rs 24,200.

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As I mentioned I want to upgrade step by step and mainly interested in nature and landscape photography, with some occasional macro type(flowers etc.). I dont want to invest much at initial stage.

Considering above requirement is it must to take IS lens or simple non IS cannon 1000D will do the required job? quality of VR lens of Nikon is same or different than IS lens of cannon? Nikon, Sony or cannon? whats your take?
18-55 non-IS lens is optically inferior in comparison to its IS version & this will certainly affect picture quality. I think you should go for IS version if you buy 1000 D.

Kindly advise and guide further to finalize it.

All brands have good cameras whether its Sony, Nikon, Canon or Pentax. Canon & Nikon have slightly more variety in cameras & lenses. If its possible then go to a shop close to you & get a feel of all the cameras you shortlisted as handling comfort is essential. Try reading reviews of your shortlisted cameras at different sites & analyse their pros & cons. Once you become proficient in use of your camera then you'll think about buying a tripod or additional lenses hence keep the initial body cost minimum.
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Originally Posted by einstein02007 View Post Thanks everybody sayantan, alokclicks and username_X for sharing invaluable information to me.
Now I am definitely dropping idea of P90 as I already have P and S digital camera( samsung make 8.0 mp but satisfied with result compare to cost, please look at my gallery and comment on pic quality, I need to learn where lies the difference between this and DSLRs)
I just had a look at your gallery (only the first page though, since I am in a bit of hurry), you have some beautifully captured photographs there. One tip that I'd like to offer to you is to work on your picture composition. A lot of your pics had the subject bang in the center. Sometimes it is better to compose the picture differently. Google "Picture Composition" to know more.

Th DSLR difference will include the following:
1. An accurate viewfinder - The viewfinder shows exactly what you shoot, unlike the viewfinder in P&S Cameras (not the live view though).
2. A bigger, more powerful sensor.
3. Better noise reduction (even at higher ISO values).
4. Better Depth of field control.
5. Faster clicking speed (especially when shooting in continuous/ burst mode).
6. Flexibility to attach a different lens.
7. RAW capability.
8. More options before & after shooting.

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username_x, you flickr gallery pics are awesome, please let me know which camera you are using
Thanks a lot. I use Nikon D60 and believe in decent amount of post-processing .. which means that I come home and work on the images in a photo editor to make color corrections etc.

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There is still some confusion, please bare with my stupid looking questions.( I m newbie, need to learn lot about SLRs)

- Does cannon 1000 D take pic in macro mode as we are taking in other digital cams, macro is one of my favorites.
Yes. Specialized macro lenses are also available if you want to photograph .. say insects etc.

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- Does this cam have facility of video recording, short clips as we do in other digital cameras?
You may look at Nikon D5000 for that. That should cost roughly between Rs. 32,000 - 41,000 (depending on with/ without bill).

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www.jjmehta.com seems to be best near possible source from where I can get this product.
Like Musings mentioned, www.smartshoppers.in seems to be offering pretty good prices (too good to believe actually). But be warned .. there are two types of deals there:
1. With 2 years Manufacturer's warranty (=With bill)
2. With 6 months vendor warranty (=without bill ?)

Also I'd prefer to hold the camera in my hand before I buy it. But that is just me. Lots of people order it off the internet these days.

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.. does this VR- vibration reduction lens quality same as IS lens of cannon?
I think yes. Never heard of anyone complaining on that front.
IS = VR in my books.

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Sony A230L 25,990. heard somewhere that there is inbuilt image stabilizer in camera(so no need to take IS lens), some say its good , other says its company gimmick. they claim this is more stylish, good looking, fast and less complicated slr then others, best suited for first timers. what is your opinion about it?
I don't like Sony (the brand) and don't know much about their DSLRs.
IS/ VR lenses are effective in reducing the effect of camera shake to certain extent. Say without VR you are able to shoot at 1/60 shutter speed without any noticeable camera shake, then with VR you may be able to take it up to around 1/15.
VR may be more effective with longer lenses though.

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A... and mainly interested in nature and landscape photography, with some occasional macro type(flowers etc.). I dont want to invest much at initial stage.
18-55mm lens should be a perfect first lens for you.
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thanks username_x, musings.
Now I have almost finalized cannon 1000D with 18-55 IS lens.
starting with basic.
Also learning different photography techniques through various sources.
Does anybody know any on line photography course tutorials?
Thanks again for you invaluable suggestions.
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Can I ask why particularly Canon? Did you have a look at Nikon?
I am not promoting any particular brand here, just asking you not to be prejudiced against a camera just because of it's brand. Load of people will say Canon is better (and give reasons) and others will say Nikon is better (and give more reasons). Don't go by what people say .. evaluate both cameras and buy the one which seems to be a better deal.

My friend bought a D5000 yesterday. That seemed to be a great camera too. Also have a look at 450D from Canon, if your budget allows. Otherwise 1000D can be compared to Nikon's D3000.
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Hi,
I know a well known photographer, he told me that its nothing to do with the brands. But I feel the cost factor is important. Though I have a weakness to Nikon but you will get a Canon with same features in much lesser price. But more review is necessary in this regard from IM members.

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A great way to learn techniques/skills is by joining a photography club in your city. One gets to interact with experienced photographers, take part in workshops & also get hands-on experience of handling different equipments. Its well worth to go nearest big city to join a club if it doesn't exists in your town.

There are several good books for learning like Understanding Exposure (Bryan Peterson), The Digital Photography Book (Scott Kelby) ..

There is no dearth of resources on net -

http://photo.net/learn/
http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials.htm
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/

You can also find valuable information on dpreview. Practice & perspective are two fundamental elements of photography.

Happy clicking !

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