Thinking of thieving in Bihar? Best forget it...

Nick-H · Aug 29th, 2007, 23:02

No. I think growth and infrastructure should be managed.

That is the job of government and local administration.

Until it starts doing that job it isn't geting any congratulations from me.

shashank.aggarwal · Aug 29th, 2007, 23:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick-H

No. I think growth and infrastructure should be managed.

That is the job of government and local administration.

Until it starts doing that job it isn't geting any congratulations from me.

I totally agree with you now !! I my opinion as well governments have failed miserably...when it comes to policy making they are doing good..policies have given the platform to things in private hands to grow.

But when it comes to delivery, they fail miserably, education, infrastructure, civic amenities, administration etc..

But still why do have have to react with cynicism and pessimism every time growth of economy OR business is discussed.

Even if the business would not have grown, economy would not have boomed, we would have been living under the same civic conditions...as we have been doing for decades...

capt_mahajan · Aug 29th, 2007, 23:09

Just one example
In the last decade, or less, while one part of India has been chattering on the latest cellphones, a hundred thousand farmers have committed suicide.

Reason: rising input costs, lower production costs and removal or reduction of government subsidies and assistance

This, when there is no part of the globe where agriculture is not subsidised, including in the richest countries. In the USA, subsidy for certain crops is worth more than the value of the crops.

These suicides have effected maybe half a million people (survivors) directly. For every suicide, there must be many others who are equally destitute, with no hope.

GDP growth is great.

GDP growth at the expense of the destitute is criminal.

Nick-H · Aug 29th, 2007, 23:16

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Originally Posted by Travinfoindia

Check out this news
http://www.angvani.com/index.php?opt...d=70&Itemid=27

Reaction one day later..

Ahem... this socio-economic stuff is vitally important, but...

Anybody noticing the passing comment in Travinfoindia's link to a previous occasion where Bihar police blinded 31 suspects by pouring acid in their eyes?

And I really thought I'd seen enough Indian news that it couldn't make me feel sick...

capt_mahajan · Aug 29th, 2007, 23:18

Travinfoindia's link is not news to many Indians... that was a famously notorious event.

edwardseco · Aug 29th, 2007, 23:48

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But still why do have have to react with cynicism and pessimism every time growth of economy OR business is discussed.

Even if the business would not have grown, economy would not have boomed, we would have been living under the same civic conditions...as we have been doing for decades...

However, we old timers never like change even if it in general makes things better. We long for the days when we could get 70 paise dinners which now cost 70 Rupees. In those days such incidents as commented here would have been so commonplace as not to be reported so our consciences would not be disturbed. We were happier even if Indians weren't..

shashank.aggarwal · Aug 30th, 2007, 00:51

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Originally Posted by edwardseco

In those days such incidents as commented here would have been so commonplace as not to be reported so our consciences would not be disturbed. We were happier even if Indians weren't..

now a days media is more widespread..earlier an incident of this magnitude would have got a mention in the local newspaper at best..

But today they come straight into our drawing rooms...24 X 7...nationwide..

and if government is so bad, then they should probably ban these channels, which actually show its incompetency..

they can simply be swept under the carpet...

Life would be lot easier then...

Bhaswaran · Aug 30th, 2007, 01:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by capt_mahajan

Travinfoindia's link is not news to many Indians... that was a famously notorious event.

Did you see the film "Gangajal"? It was inspired by that incident. However, the film try to back up the police in its presentation.

capt_mahajan · Sep 12th, 2007, 09:18

Quote:

Three youths assaulted for stealing bike, one has eye ‘gouged out’; minors accused of theft tonsured, paraded on streets

full story in today's Indian Express HERE

ranjan154 · Sep 12th, 2007, 09:55

While we are talking about street justice, and saying its unfair.. that i too believe .. but we must not forget the plight of a common man who runs pillars and post even to get some matters resolved by police or civil court. Its just not the case with Bihar, but we have had these incidents from all across our country.

Nick-H · Sep 12th, 2007, 16:00

And, after the motorbike-dragging incident, a youth who chased a horse was dragged behind the horse by its owner for some way.

Four persons in an Orissa village were beheaded on suspicion of sorcery. It seems the 300-strong village audience was enthusiastic.

What Travinfo' says is true. Very often the police will not even take notice of a complaint, let alone do anything about it. Even the rich are faced with this problem, let alone the poor.

That is no reason for barbarity.

capt_mahajan · Sep 12th, 2007, 16:26

What you are seeing and hearing is the tip of the iceberg and a result of generations of frustration at a criminal justice system which does not work or is corrupt.

And that is not limited to Bihar. It is just a question of degree.

batistuta · Sep 12th, 2007, 18:59

A string of barbaric news coming out of India. Lynchng, etc.... I am wondering whether such news went un-reported earlier or the people are taking law into their own hands, these days. I would say the former.

Nick-H · Sep 12th, 2007, 19:05

I'd say the former too. I don't think anything is getting worse.

But what do I know? I don't know village India at all.

I do have the sense that violence is on the increase in the cities, even here.

I also think that a lot of politically-motivated stuff goes entirely unreporterd, as the politicians control the press.

But then, I've got it in for Indian politics, just now.

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Aug 29th, 2007, 23:09	#33
capt_mahajan (in charge of navel affairs) Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: India Posts: 10,509	Just one example In the last decade, or less, while one part of India has been chattering on the latest cellphones, a hundred thousand farmers have committed suicide. Reason: rising input costs, lower production costs and removal or reduction of government subsidies and assistance This, when there is no part of the globe where agriculture is not subsidised, including in the richest countries. In the USA, subsidy for certain crops is worth more than the value of the crops. These suicides have effected maybe half a million people (survivors) directly. For every suicide, there must be many others who are equally destitute, with no hope. GDP growth is great. GDP growth at the expense of the destitute is criminal.

Aug 29th, 2007, 23:18	#35
capt_mahajan (in charge of navel affairs) Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: India Posts: 10,509	Travinfoindia's link is not news to many Indians... that was a famously notorious event.

Sep 12th, 2007, 16:00	#41
Nick-H Loud-mouthed, Noisy Bird Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 27,692	And, after the motorbike-dragging incident, a youth who chased a horse was dragged behind the horse by its owner for some way. Four persons in an Orissa village were beheaded on suspicion of sorcery. It seems the 300-strong village audience was enthusiastic. What Travinfo' says is true. Very often the police will not even take notice of a complaint, let alone do anything about it. Even the rich are faced with this problem, let alone the poor. That is no reason for barbarity.

Sep 12th, 2007, 16:26	#42
capt_mahajan (in charge of navel affairs) Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: India Posts: 10,509	What you are seeing and hearing is the tip of the iceberg and a result of generations of frustration at a criminal justice system which does not work or is corrupt. And that is not limited to Bihar. It is just a question of degree.

Sep 12th, 2007, 18:59	#43
batistuta Maha Guru Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,729	A string of barbaric news coming out of India. Lynchng, etc.... I am wondering whether such news went un-reported earlier or the people are taking law into their own hands, these days. I would say the former.

Sep 12th, 2007, 19:05	#44
Nick-H Loud-mouthed, Noisy Bird Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 27,692	I'd say the former too. I don't think anything is getting worse. But what do I know? I don't know village India at all. I do have the sense that violence is on the increase in the cities, even here. I also think that a lot of politically-motivated stuff goes entirely unreporterd, as the politicians control the press. But then, I've got it in for Indian politics, just now.

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