Advice about tribals, Naxalites, scenic routes, tigers

machadinha · Nov 7th, 2009, 04:42

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Originally Posted by KABAARY

I can vouch for NI being real...

I think this plan being "real" would be the greater of my worries...

Vonkla made a good and practical point btw, the terrain itself would merit some studying. Western Madhya Pradesh at least I found very hilly (and the roads just horrible indeed). Since there are some popular hill stations in the east and again Chhattisgarh is said to be very forested, I'm not sure if it gets any better there.

newislander · Nov 7th, 2009, 09:18

:kiss: kabarry :-)

I found the reference to the permits in LP. I realised I'd even read it before. Just forgotten. They don't say much. They just said in some places permits are needed. No doubt in each large town I will get the lowdown. I'll be going to all the tribal museums in Bhubaneshwar and elsewhere.

Yes I know the terrain is hilly. I've been studying googlemaps satellite pictures. You can see quite a lot. I am prepared for the possibility that its too wild to go on smaller roads. Its just good to know more than you need to know rather than less. Perhaps I could go with a guide and auto along some roads that I have to pass up on my bike. I think i've got pretty much all I need for now.

A few days ago I read Kamat's website. Wonderful on the tribals though his descriptions were accurate quite a few years back now. Kabarry do you know of Kamat? He sounds like a nice chap. Pity he's no longer around.

newislander · Nov 7th, 2009, 09:25

Vonkla, its odd that if you can't officially go into the district without a permit that no mention of permits are listed on the government websites. LP doesn't go as far to say you can't go into the district without a permit. It says its best to go with a tour. Anyway it sounds like I've got to be fairly well informed and careful about where I go.

I read one article somewhere by P Sainath about how a foreigner got into trouble in a village when they say the camera. Apparently this village had been deceieved once before about having their pictures taken. He didn't elaborate. But anyway when they saw this person's camera, they frogmarched the foreigner - who might have been an anthropologist - all the way back to the nearest police station. The foreigner was scared shitless. Before the camera came into view, they'd gotten along perfectly well.

RWeHavingFunYet · Nov 7th, 2009, 10:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by machadinha

Can you give us a very quick reason why we should assume you are real? I don't, anymore, you see; and not with some of your comments on other threads and after your supposedly numerous bicycle tours around India either.

I also can vouch for Newislander being real. I remember reading her blogs and seeing tons of her pictures biking in India. I wish I could bike like her. I envy her. She is a tough cookie !!!

newislander · Nov 7th, 2009, 12:58

You just want a kiss too like K. lol

theyyamdancer · Nov 7th, 2009, 13:18

newislander,
Have you read "Goddess in the Stones" by Norman Lewis? It is a classic account of travel in Orissa. (Probably you already know of it.) Also, books by Verrier Elwin, the anthropologist and adopted son of Gandhi, where he travels deep into the Ghond territory, such as "Leaves From the Jungle, Life in a Ghond Village".

newislander · Nov 7th, 2009, 13:30

No I haven't heard of that. When was it published? I tell what i want to read that I only just heard about for the first time recently. An account of three young indian guys who cycled around the world back in the 1920s. Have you got that on yoru shelf Kabarry?

Is it in every bookshop Theyyam? Easy to find. It might be nice to read when I am travelling. I love reading on the road.

theyyamdancer · Nov 7th, 2009, 13:36

Norman Lewis' book dates from 1991. I think you would be advised to buy it before you travel.

Verrier Elwin's books are collectors' items now. I found one in a travel bookshop in Notting Hill Gate London (complete with bookworm) and a lot more in a museum bookshop in Itanagar. Second hand bookshops are the place to find them. Sydney?

The book about 3 Indians cycling the world sounds interesting. Can you give any more details about it?

newislander · Nov 8th, 2009, 05:20

http://www.rolibooks.com/lotus/lotus...und-the-world/

I am not in Sydney. There are no decent bookshops here. I would have to buy it on the web. I'll keep an eye out. I probably wont take it on this trip though. My baggage allowance is already bursting at the seams.

newislander · Nov 8th, 2009, 05:23

I just read about Lewis on Wikipedia. I'll definitely try to find some of his books. Cheers. Usually India has a very good selection of books on india. I am surprised if I couldn't find a copy there. I hope I can.

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Nov 7th, 2009, 09:18	#32
newislander Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 67	:kiss: kabarry :-) I found the reference to the permits in LP. I realised I'd even read it before. Just forgotten. They don't say much. They just said in some places permits are needed. No doubt in each large town I will get the lowdown. I'll be going to all the tribal museums in Bhubaneshwar and elsewhere. Yes I know the terrain is hilly. I've been studying googlemaps satellite pictures. You can see quite a lot. I am prepared for the possibility that its too wild to go on smaller roads. Its just good to know more than you need to know rather than less. Perhaps I could go with a guide and auto along some roads that I have to pass up on my bike. I think i've got pretty much all I need for now. A few days ago I read Kamat's website. Wonderful on the tribals though his descriptions were accurate quite a few years back now. Kabarry do you know of Kamat? He sounds like a nice chap. Pity he's no longer around.

Nov 7th, 2009, 09:25	#33
newislander Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 67	Vonkla, its odd that if you can't officially go into the district without a permit that no mention of permits are listed on the government websites. LP doesn't go as far to say you can't go into the district without a permit. It says its best to go with a tour. Anyway it sounds like I've got to be fairly well informed and careful about where I go. I read one article somewhere by P Sainath about how a foreigner got into trouble in a village when they say the camera. Apparently this village had been deceieved once before about having their pictures taken. He didn't elaborate. But anyway when they saw this person's camera, they frogmarched the foreigner - who might have been an anthropologist - all the way back to the nearest police station. The foreigner was scared shitless. Before the camera came into view, they'd gotten along perfectly well.

Nov 7th, 2009, 12:58	#35
newislander Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 67	You just want a kiss too like K. lol

Nov 7th, 2009, 13:30	#37
newislander Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 67	No I haven't heard of that. When was it published? I tell what i want to read that I only just heard about for the first time recently. An account of three young indian guys who cycled around the world back in the 1920s. Have you got that on yoru shelf Kabarry? Is it in every bookshop Theyyam? Easy to find. It might be nice to read when I am travelling. I love reading on the road.

Nov 7th, 2009, 13:36	#38
theyyamdancer lost in Mechuka member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Crete Posts: 4,426	Norman Lewis' book dates from 1991. I think you would be advised to buy it before you travel. Verrier Elwin's books are collectors' items now. I found one in a travel bookshop in Notting Hill Gate London (complete with bookworm) and a lot more in a museum bookshop in Itanagar. Second hand bookshops are the place to find them. Sydney? The book about 3 Indians cycling the world sounds interesting. Can you give any more details about it?

Nov 8th, 2009, 05:20	#39
newislander Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 67	http://www.rolibooks.com/lotus/lotus...und-the-world/ I am not in Sydney. There are no decent bookshops here. I would have to buy it on the web. I'll keep an eye out. I probably wont take it on this trip though. My baggage allowance is already bursting at the seams.

Nov 8th, 2009, 05:23	#40
newislander Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 67	I just read about Lewis on Wikipedia. I'll definitely try to find some of his books. Cheers. Usually India has a very good selection of books on india. I am surprised if I couldn't find a copy there. I hope I can.