Beggars?

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Today I went to Karol Bagh and Connaught Place but unfortunately the shop are all closed, seems to be a Muslim holiday. However I didn't get a favorable impression.

I was literally besieged by beggars who won't go away even after I gave them 10 Rupees.. and actually that turned out to be a very bad idea because when others noticed that I was giving money they started offering me every kind of possible service.. from shoe polishing to maps to whatever. After 5 minutes I literally got an entourage, so I decided to take an auto rickshaw and go elsewhere.

How am I supposed to handle them? I guess that this situation is the same almost everywhere, although I never saw anything like that around Patel Nagar.

Any advice?

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Begging is a big menace. It is a business in many towns and cities. Do not pay or give anything. At every traffic signal , you will find kids,women , disabled persons,transexuals begging . Please do not encourage by giving money.

- You may even end up with well dressed persons who may say that he his pocket was picked, pls can you help by giving him just the auto fare of 50 Rs (Beware : These are sophisticated ones)
- There are people I've seen in the South of India who stop hindi speaking guys and a family of 4/5 peole with infants will tell you a sad story that their luggage was lost in the train and they do not have money to return to north etc( beware - all cheats)
In any case carry coins of 1 Re just to escape( I have faced kids extracting money by falling down on your leg and resorting to sentimental blackmailing ).
- transexuals -can't help part with money and run .

Unfortunately the police/administration never help.
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Originally Posted by Brooksim View Post Today I went to Karol Bagh and Connaught Place but unfortunately the shop are all closed, seems to be a Muslim holiday. However I didn't get a favorable impression.

I was literally besieged by beggars who won't go away even after I gave them 10 Rupees.. and actually that turned out to be a very bad idea because when others noticed that I was giving money they started offering me every kind of possible service.. from shoe polishing to maps to whatever. After 5 minutes I literally got an entourage, so I decided to take an auto rickshaw and go elsewhere.

How am I supposed to handle them? I guess that this situation is the same almost everywhere, although I never saw anything like that around Patel Nagar.

Any advice?

Thanks.
I must admit that i gave 2 times to beggars in 2 weeks last june/july...do not be weak!! Just walk away particularly when you are shopping and they come up to you and ask for coin!! The money doesnt stay with them at all.
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They wouldn't go away because
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No black and white answers here.

I have to admit that I have pretty-much given up giving change to the kids at traffic signals: there are many reports that there are thousands of such children working in gangs in this city, it is just another form of child labour.

But I still won't say 'never'.

The genuine ones will be pleased with whatever you give them; the others will hassle always for more. You don;t find out until after giving. Not all the sob stories you hear are false: you have to use your judgement.
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That's what I thought. Ignoring them seems to be the only option, but I wanted to ask to more experienced people first. Even the other threads, apart from the philosophical discussion about the wrongness/rightness of it, seem to agree with this general notion.

The 1 Rs. escape doesn't work - I tried. I just give them one coin, either 1, 2 or 5 Rs. and they keep begging anyway.

Out of desperation I relented and gave 10 Rs. but that only exacerbated the insistence. I got like 2 women pushing sleeping babies onto my face (wonderful babies, by the way.. of course, that's all a show - not that stupid ) and repeating "Chapati.. chapati.."

...transexuals beggars? Wow. How did they manage to find the money for the operation?!
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Yes, that was out of sheer desperation. It only made things worse. Luckily, now I know better.
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They are the Warriors ! ! !

After Wondering a Lot if am I supposed to or am I allowed to post such large posts, I dared to post something which I had written on beggers in India, a few years back.

These are my personal views and do not wish to start a debate on this

The Warriors
A busy crossroad near pune station people waiting for the signal to turn green , a shabby looking middle aged person who is probably has not taken bath for days and is probably suffering some skin infection walks up with a distressed look and starts begging to a motorcyclist. A crowded over bridge in Mumbai with the usual rush for office with no place to move but in this chaos there is a woman carrying a sick child asking people for help. Just below the train moves over crowded with passengers who witness an old lady and her old man explaining their misery and asking for help.

Yes , these are the new breed of warriors. Warriors !!!!!! confused ? don't be.
I believe that it’s a battle and requires a strategy for survival. Still wondering what me talking about. Read on a few analysis.
A beggar on the signal who is dirty, shabby, infected and filthy comes to beg as you await the signal. you catch a glimpse of this ugly thing from the corner of your eye and try not to look at it. But it will walk down straight to you and start begging. You still ignore and you feel he starts to touch and tug at you hand. The only option you find to stop this whole torture is hand him a few coins and there you lose the battle.
A foreign tourist is surrounded by a group of malnutrition kids, who beg so that they can eat something. A few bucks are spent for the cause giving the tourist a sense of fulfillment.
Similarly a woman with very ill child who probably has not eaten for days gets sympathy for the child who lies almost unconscious in her arms. She wins the battle when someone hands her some money so that she can feed the child.
A lost traveler who seems to have lost all his money and luggage is asking for some money to go home, an old man wants to buy some medicine for the prescription he is carrying.
Aren’t these common sights we see so very often around us?
Yes, they are but we never realize. I wonder how many of these people are really needy and how many have taken this as a career.
It’s a war of minds. The opponent will use sympathy, fear and other weapons to win the war. If you can ignore it and move on, you win.

Around 95 of these kind are people who have learned that its easy money without work. The 5 % genuine cases are ignored by society due to the empowerment of the so called needy. The only end to this disease in society is to stop giving in and losing the battle. The day there won’t be an income these beggars will have to find alternate livelihood. Let’s make our society free from this disease. Help young kids understand that this is not the life they should look up to. Let’s stop the mafias from creating an army of beggars for their income. Take a step towards improving the world and make it a better place to live. It’s all about being patient and firm against injustice.

So the next time a “hijarah” or a woman carrying the great lord’s idol in her arms approaches you and demands a ransom for saving you from the curse of ill luck Think. Think that it’s a war, a mental game. Win the battle and help making it a better place to live.
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If you want to give, give Rs5 at least. A smaller coin is a bit of an insult --- although if it were me, I'd rather have five people give me Rs1 each than have five people give me nothing!

A decade ago, I experienced a paroxysm of gratitude from a young girl to whom I gave Rs10. Then, it seems, rupee, or even paise coins would have been the norm. In those days I had no idea.
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How am I supposed to handle them? ...
Any advice?

Thanks.
Contorting your face like you're mental and uttering 'yendirra porriche' often helps. Nothing discourages a beggar like a madman.

I'm serious.
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Originally Posted by ronsaik View Post Contorting your face like you're mental and uttering 'yendirra porriche' often helps. Nothing discourages a beggar like a madman.

I'm serious.
Ah ah! Well, I'll put that in my arsenal

What does "yendirra porriche" mean, by the way?
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I did, after much angst, ask my friend from HP, to whom do I give and who doesn't get a thing.
He said there are two types of people you give to, in his opinion.....

1. People who can't work under any circumstances, ie, no arms and legs. Intellectually disabled to a point of cretinism etc.
2.Blind people.
There are always exceptions to this rule, but not many.

If you give a child beggar some money it will become their life's profession.
If you wish to turn someone into a beggar for life, go right ahead. I'm sure there are worse fates.

Of the thirty or so Indian people I asked about this, most of them said it would be much better to give the money in a larger sum , to an organisation that feeds and educates children, there are PLENTY to pick from.
There's not much chance for promotion for a beggar. Whereas Education and decent food can mean a very different life. Isn't it?

Could you please send your disagreements to the private message thing and not clog up this thread. Many thanks.
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Apocryphally, 'you are a pig', but it's really faux Tamil mumbo-jumbo popularised on MTV India by Quick Gun Murugan a decade ago. At least, that's the respectable version.
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The worst off are the mentally ill. They have even less chance of work than the physically disabled.
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if someone gets unpleasent, only way is to make them think you are a angry person and you do not appreciate this and you can call cops. Just reach out for you mobile and show them that your calling and keep saying " police" and yes since you cant make them explain in hindi, use sign language and your angry face expression. Sometimes its ok sometimes you have react like this to avoid any major accident like you being robbed.

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