Moving from London to Bangalore?

Ignite · May 13th, 2008, 12:12

Mach

, I think Traveller was talking to evanchris who is from nj,USA.

traveller.1 · May 13th, 2008, 12:15

Machadinha: My post regarding US taxes is not aimed to necessarily benefit you or London Girl, but Evanchris (if she be american) or any one else on this world wide forum who may be American. After all americans are the largest number of expats in india, as opposed to tourists.

All advise in all general forums will not apply to all. But one needs to extract what applies and disregard the rest.

I should hope that some day someone choosing to move to Bangalore may be helped by the answer. If not, well then as pointed out in the above paragraph, everyone should just disregard it.

This however does apply to you: My apologies for ruffling your feathers

machadinha · May 13th, 2008, 12:16

<cross-posted with Traveller: I guess you haven't seen me gruff yet

You make a good case man/woman, I wish we had more of you. No problem whatsoever, please do continue. I'm never all that convinced of my own ramblings anyway.>

Yes, thanks Ignite, I was half-aware of that

I guess I just meant to accentuate that expectations may differ a lot all over the place. Or even in the same place depending on your personal situation and so on.

Nick-H · May 13th, 2008, 16:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by evanchris

... My husband is being recruited by an International/Indian company (offices in US,SE Asia, Australia,& India) but the total remuneration is below his current salary and does not meet the usual expat package.

So, he is not being posted by his current company, but being recruited by a different one? That, to me, is what makes the difference, although I absolutely agree with traveller.1's comments that if his skills are sufficiently unique to be recruited form abroad, then his bargaining position should be good. From later comments in your post, it doesn't sound like he has much competition. If you do go for it, good luck with the bargaining!

evanchris · May 14th, 2008, 02:53

Hello All!
Wow, I didn't check for a couple of hours and find a deluge of responses!

Nick: No problem with humor, except when it feels like it's mocking... a single person has different financial needs than a family with children who require private schools.

Traveller: Thanks for the tips - all financial things will be run past the accountant. Much as I'd like to discuss specifics, I'm not at liberty to do so in this forum! I'll have to see how to meet the criteria for PMing...

Nick-H · May 14th, 2008, 03:55

Yes, its been pointed out before that the education thing can take a lot out of what looks like an enormous salary.

I always recall a thread in which a member who was living in Southern India at the time, answered questions about his budget (which did not include children) --- his "basic" came to about ten times mine!

It is very hard to understand the economy here without experiencing it. Even our modest budget includes having some work done daily by others. On the other hand, the 7-point-something inflation, some basic food products rising by much more, and so on, gives pause for thought for the future.

traveller.1 · May 14th, 2008, 11:56

Education is a very big factor perhaps even more than wages, after you have a livable wage!! The education system is very different in India. The focus is on (guys feel free to correct me) learning, repetetion, memorisation etc. It is fiercely competitive. By contrast the education in USA is more along the lines of understanding, creativity, learning how to get information as opposed to memorising it. It is very difficult for American kids to be in the Indian system. They will need to go to expat schools. How old are your kids. If high school, then probably not a good idea. The costs themselves while not loose change will not be prohibitive for private schools in India as in the US. By the way what are known private schools in USA are known as public schools in India.

Ignite · May 14th, 2008, 13:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by traveller.1

Education is a very big factor perhaps even more than wages, after you have a livable wage!! The education system is very different in India. The focus is on (guys feel free to correct me) learning, repetetion, memorisation etc. It is fiercely competitive. By contrast the education in USA is more along the lines of understanding, creativity, learning how to get information as opposed to memorising it. It is very difficult for American kids to be in the Indian system. They will need to go to expat schools. How old are your kids. If high school, then probably not a good idea. The costs themselves while not loose change will not be prohibitive for private schools in India as in the US. By the way what are known private schools in USA are known as public schools in India.

I do have to say, that is very true.

singwoo · May 14th, 2008, 22:27

Whats the minimum salary for a 4 bed house, 3 kids in int school, a dog and a wife that likes to dress well? 2 drivers at a guess and a club membership. I am an independent entrepreneur that for a few years may well be in Bangalore so nice to know.

Also is it possible for a westerner to get hold of an older building and do it up?

Thanks

Manzey · May 14th, 2008, 23:57

4 bedroom house in a good decent locality like HSR layout / Kormangala will cost around Rs 50k per month unfurnished.
Good International school for 3 children will cost approx 2-4 lakhs per annum. 2 drivers will cost you around 10k per annum.
Regarding your last question, you might have to go to some old posh areas where its not so easy to estimate the rent since the whole scenario changes. You might find it, but expect the rent to be very very high.
Cheers.....

Indjun · May 15th, 2008, 00:28

10K per annum!... and I was considering paying my driver 20K/month.

BTW, he borrowed 3K right before I left to the US--came back a week ago and he hasn't made any mention of it...

capt_mahajan · May 15th, 2008, 00:40

Quote:

and I was considering paying my driver 20K/month

you can get three or four drivers for that.

evanchris · May 15th, 2008, 02:14

Regarding the international school tuition, The International School Bangalore's website states annual tuition is 560,000 Indian Rupees...

evanchris · May 15th, 2008, 02:19

Traveller.1: Between us, my husband and I will have 4 children in college in September 2008, but we will have our 12 year old son with us. He currently attends a good US "public" school and is getting top grades, following in the footsteps of his siblings! At the moment, it looks like the school for him would be TISB, but I am still in the process of investigating.

singwoo · May 15th, 2008, 10:56

Thanks chaps all interesting info - this really is a great website community - making me feel more comfortable about a move already.

Actually as I am there for probably 3/4 years I was thinking of buying an old place and doing it up. Also is it worth me moving my furniture and 'stuff' or just buy everything there?

May 13th, 2008, 12:12	#76
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May 14th, 2008, 22:27	#84
singwoo Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 9	a new part to an old question Whats the minimum salary for a 4 bed house, 3 kids in int school, a dog and a wife that likes to dress well? 2 drivers at a guess and a club membership. I am an independent entrepreneur that for a few years may well be in Bangalore so nice to know. Also is it possible for a westerner to get hold of an older building and do it up? Thanks

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Manzey Manzey Join Date: May 2008 Location: Bangalore / Gurgaon Posts: 91	4 bedroom house in a good decent locality like HSR layout / Kormangala will cost around Rs 50k per month unfurnished. Good International school for 3 children will cost approx 2-4 lakhs per annum. 2 drivers will cost you around 10k per annum. Regarding your last question, you might have to go to some old posh areas where its not so easy to estimate the rent since the whole scenario changes. You might find it, but expect the rent to be very very high. Cheers.....

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evanchris Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Princeton, NJ Posts: 6	Regarding the international school tuition, The International School Bangalore's website states annual tuition is 560,000 Indian Rupees...

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