Ladakh in August - Wanted Feedback about my itinerary

#1 Apr 22nd, 2007, 02:30
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Hi,

I am planning a trip to ladakh in August first or second week for around 10-12 days. I need advise and feedback with respect to my itinerary.

We are 5-6 guys planning the trip on our own. Would it be fun to go alone or join some group?

Our itinerary is as follows:

- Mumbai to Delhi by flight
- Delhi to Manali by Coach/Bus
- Spend 1 night at Manali
- Manali to Leh by tourist car/jeep. Generally people do this journey in 2 days/1 night, but we plan to do it in 3 days/2 nights so that we can acclimatize on the way itself and not waste extra days in leh.
- 3 nights in leh (around there)
- 2 nights at nubra valley
- 1 night somewhere in ladakh (not planned yet)
- Leh - Delhi by flight
- Delhi to mumbai by flight.

Can someone provide me with a rough estimate on how much this package might cost for 1 person.

Additionally, I would also like to know whether someone suffering from minor high blood pressure can go to ladakh or not. To be more specific the BP is in range of 130/90

Thanks and looking to get some feedback on the above.
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Only 1 day in Manali? Not enough
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Originally Posted by mihirp View Post - Manali to Leh by tourist car/jeep. Generally people do this journey in 2 days/1 night, but we plan to do it in 3 days/2 nights so that we can acclimatize on the way itself and not waste extra days in leh.
I like the way youīre thinking, but you have a problem at hand : where will you spend the second night ? The first night would be in Keylong or Jispa I guess - but if your next goal is Sarchu you should be aware that itīs almost exactly 1000 meters higher , around 800 meters higher than Leh and way outside acclimatisation guidelines. Pang is even higher.This is the basic problem with the road , it remains well over 4000 for almost all of the second half part of the trip.

The best chance to enjoy the road in itīs own right in my opinion is to do it last , after having achieved good acclimatisation to 3500 at least.

If you want to tweak your present itinerary for better acclimatisation, put in an extra day in Manali and take a day trip up to the Rothang pass and consider staying in Solang instead of Manali (500 meters higher). You can skip past the problem of the tent camps (altitude sickness will hit hardest when sleeping) by making two short legs : first Keylong , then Darcha, and a long leg Darcha-Leh. Not that long , really , we went Manali-Darcha , Darcha-Leh in two days on a asthmatic bus last time. Plenty of chai (or butter tea) breaks.
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leh from mumbai by road

Our itinerary is as follows:

(- Mumbai to Delhi by flight) depends what airline u take how well in advance do u book !!! a safe bet is assume u get the 3300 ticket from indian airlines
i am sure u can get cheaper 1 s no deccan please it s dhakkan
{- Delhi to Manali by Coach/Bus} rs 500 is a safe bet to get in2 an a/c video coach
{- Spend 1 night at Manali} spending a night in manali shuld be rs800 per night
{- Manali to Leh by tourist car/jeep. Generally people do this journey in 2 days/1 night, but we plan to do it in 3 days/2 nights so that we can acclimatize on the way itself and not waste extra days in leh}.
buddy any body does it in i night 2 day s and it shall not be comfortable on the way unless u stop at keylong first night and second night at sarchu
any wa y s coming back to kharcha 12-15 k is what quail s sumo s were charging last year one night tent accomodation at sarchu that where u will get properly acclimitased in other words f#$%ed but worth it pal
{- 3 nights in leh (around there)} 800 per night hotel 800 *3 = 2400
{- 2 nights at nubra valley }????? kya karega ???? 1200-1500 per night 2600 for 2 nite s
{- 1 night somewhere in ladakh (not planned yet)
- Leh - Delhi by flight} rs 5500 or more all morning flight s only between 8am to 10 am then no flihght s airport shut for the day
- Delhi to mumbai by flight. 3300 assuming u can get spice jet for as cheap as 1700 but it goes via ahemdabad

yes and all flight s for delhi to leh leave @ 5 - 6 am incase u wanted to know !!!

but stick to ur plan of going to bus to manali and jeep from manali to leh

Can someone provide me with a rough estimate on how much this package might cost for 1 person.

Additionally, I would also like to know whether someone suffering from minor high blood pressure can go to ladakh or not. To be more specific the BP is in range of 130/90

sorry cant help u here but yes if he/she is heavy body then shall take longer to acclimitiase and dont worry

one word DRINK LOT S OF WATER FLUID S U WONT FEEL THIRSTY AND FEEL LIKE VOMITING ON DRINKING IT BUT KEEEP IT HIGH BUDDY IT WILL HELP YOU TO NOT TO GO DOWN WITH AMS

do some search on ams and be equipped with fighting it

every 1 and any1 shall get it during your approach trip to leh admit it dont hide and act macho advice everybody

ur temples might pain centre of head might pain all s normal if its tolerable eating diamoxx after getting ams wont help keep ur luquids intake steady !!!

but inspite of all this it s worth it pal am from mumbai too write back if u wanna ask anything !!!!

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I went overland from Srinigar to Leh by public bus (2 days 1 night) 20 years ago. It was a grueling but fun trip over very bad one-lane roads. This info is not of real use to you since this isn't how people go anymore. And I can't tell you much about your route though I see others have some good suggestions.

All I can offer is that it can be a rough acclimatization. I thought I was fine having spend several weeks in Kashmir but I had a rough time every night, waking up gasping for air. Nevertheless, the week we spent in Leh was an unforgettable experience and I'm glad we did it. We took day trips out to different monasteries every day. Didn't do any serious hiking because I felt winded most of the time and also got a head cold, which seemed to be connected with the altitude because it went away as soon as I got back to Srinigar. We flew back because I felt so bad & didn't want to face the return trip by bus. Just getting that flight was a real adventure in the days prior to computers! A 300 people waiting list for about 50 seats! We got on. They apparently never removed anyone from the waiting list!

The weather was sunny and warm during the day and chilly at night.
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Originally Posted by camelgirl View Post I went overland from Srinigar to Leh by public bus (2 days 1 night) 20 years ago.

All I can offer is that it can be a rough acclimatization. I thought I was fine having spend several weeks in Kashmir ...
Spooky , that would have been about the same I went. I really loved all of that trip including the ride up to Srinagar , last part sharing the bus roof with some Sikhs who taught me to look out for the telephone wires over the road.

As for the acclimatisation issues , sorry it didnīt work out. Srinagar is a bit too low to trigger the acclimatisation process , 2000 seems to be a minimum altitude for something to happen.Thatīs why the main point of staying an extra day in Manali is to take a day trip higher up.
The elevation profile for the Srinagar road runs a lot lower than the Manali-Leh road , so be glad you couldnīt try that at the time : the highest pass on the Srinagar-Leh run is around tree hundred meters lower than the tent camp in Sarchu , not to mention Pang...
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I think I'm a dud for altitude. I trekked in Nepal 27 yrs. ago and had a problem at Gorapani on the Annapurna trek. I'm just not meant to be at high altitudes These places are not that high!!! I felt OK after 2 weeks in Darjeeling though--whatever that means, I don't know. I've decided to stay way below 3,000 meters from now on. No Sherpa blood in me!

This is really so I'll stop now. Back to the OPs questions....
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Itinerary looks good. Good that you given three days to Manali-Leh because its a crime to rush off through those places. AMS may or may not hit you irrespective of your healt & fitness. But as a precaution, keep yourself hydrated all the time, absolutely no boozing, keep an oxygen cylinder with you (small ones), and you may start popping Diamox from Manali (consult a physician before). You can get them on little searching in cities. In Nubra, try to spend one day in Diskit and the other in Panamik, that would cover the region. I would suggest, if possible, to come to Srinagar from Leh by road and from there get onto plane for Delhi. Leh-Srinagar has it own charm though it will consume two more days but as generally "you don't know when you're gonna be back there", so just finish it off.
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Originally Posted by roopesh_kohad View Post ...and you may start popping Diamox from Manali (consult a physician before).
That would be 24 hrs before setting out , and ending .. normally second or third evening after arriving at max altitude , or after descending . Taking them the first evening in Leh should suffice - but donīt take my word for it , talk with your doc. And read up on AMS.

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Originally Posted by roopesh_kohad View Post ...keep an oxygen cylinder with you (small ones)
Iīm intrigued , what kind of pressure are we talking about here ? Medical grade O2 tubes could definitely make a world of difference but should be expensive and restricted in India as well. Low pressure tubes have the effective duration of a couple of chai breaks.
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Thank you everyone for providing your valuable inputs and apologies for the extreme delay in my response. I am finally going to Ladakh on July 14th 2007. Hurray!

Here is my itinerary. Please provide your comments. I still have time for minor tweaks which I can consider after getting inputs from you all.

Day 1 - Mumbai-Delhi by Train [Depart at 4.30pm]
Day 2 - Reach Delhi [Arrive around 10pm]. Tour the city and leave for Manali by coach/bus
Day 3 - Arrive Manali. Visit tourist spots or relax. Overnight
Day 4 - In Manali. Go for a 10 km trek (my agent is deciding the best trek). Overnight.
Day 5 - Manali - Jispa. Overnight camping.
Day 6 - Jispa - Sarchu. [Visit Deepak Tal and Suraj Tal near Barlacha La] Overnight Camping.
Day 7 - Sarchu - Tso Kar - Overnight Camping.
Day 8 - Tso Kar - Korzok village - Overnight camping.
Day 9 - Explore in and around Korzok village and Tso Morari. Overnight camping.
Day 10 - Korzok - Leh - overnight in hotel
Day 11 - Sightseeing in Leh - Leh Palace, Namgyal Tsemo, Leh mosque, Gompa Tsemo, Stok palace Museum, Tiksey Monastery. Overnight in Hotel. Any more suggestions to visit?
Day 12 - Leh - Pangong Lake - Drive down to lake and back to Leh. Overnight in Leh.
Day 13 - Leh - Hunder - Leh to Nubra Valley via Khardung la pass. Camp at Hunder.
Day 14 - Hunder - Diskit - Panamik - Visit Hunder and Diskit gompas. Then drive to Panamik, crossing river shyok and then driving along river Nubra to Panamik (which is the last village on old silk route). Overnight camping.
Day 15 - Panamik - Leh - Drive down to Leh via Khardung La pass. Enroute visit Taeger and Samsthaling Gompas. Overnight in Leh.
Day 16 - Leh - Delhi via Air Deccan (Only flight Available). Delhi to Mumbai via train.
Day 17 - Reach Mumbai and drown in depression after a wonderful trip.

Please provide inputs about this itinerary. This is my 99% final itinerary.

A few questions:

1- We are planning to hire a qualis. Which is a better car - Qualis, Innova, or Scorpio.

2. Do you think BSNL mobile as well as GPRS (Internet connection) would be available in most of these remote places?

Thanks and looking to hear from you guys.
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we did the trip last aug and 5 guys........

Day 1 - Mumbai-Delhi by Train [Depart at 4.30pm]

Day 2 - Reach Delhi [Arrive around 10pm]. Tour the city and leave for Manali by coach/bus (You should have taken volvo, other buses might not be that comfortable and u already have a long ride ahead to leh, but volvo starts at 6:30)

Day 3 - Arrive Manali. Visit tourist spots or relax. Overnight

Day 4 - In Manali. Go for a 10 km trek (my agent is deciding the best trek). Overnight.

Day 5 - Manali - Jispa. Overnight camping.

Day 6 - Jispa - Sarchu. [Visit Deepak Tal and Suraj Tal near Barlacha La] Overnight Camping.

Day 7 - Sarchu - Tso Kar - Overnight Camping.

Day 8 - Tso Kar - Korzok village - Overnight camping.

Day 9 - Explore in and around Korzok village and Tso Morari.
Overnight camping. ( u will need innerline permit, wud be tough to arrange but not impossible w/o going to leh)

Day 10 - Korzok - Leh - overnight in hotel

Day 11 - Sightseeing in Leh - Leh Palace, Namgyal Tsemo, Leh mosque, Gompa Tsemo, Stok palace Museum, Tiksey Monastery. Overnight in Hotel. Any more suggestions to visit?

Day 12 - Leh - Pangong Lake - Drive down to lake and back to Leh. Overnight in Leh. dude u shud try to camp at pangong in nite, it is one of the most mesmerizing part of leh trip

Day 13 - Leh - Hunder - Leh to Nubra Valley via Khardung la pass. Camp at Hunder. ( i think u can visit both hunder and diskit today itself including sand dunes)

Day 14 - Hunder - Diskit - Panamik - Visit Hunder and Diskit gompas. Then drive to Panamik, crossing river shyok and then driving along river Nubra to Panamik (which is the last village on old silk route). Overnight camping. (u can go to panamik directly in morning, visit the hot water springs and come back to leh by evening)
as i said given a choice stay at pangong in nite rather than panamik

Day 15 - Panamik - Leh - Drive down to Leh via Khardung La pass. Enroute visit Taeger and Samsthaling Gompas. Overnight in Leh.

Day 16 - Leh - Delhi via Air Deccan (Only flight Available). Delhi to Mumbai via train. ( i hope they dont cancel it , just joking....i just dont trust air deccan)
btw we did leh srinagar in one day, 5 am started and 8 pm we were in srinagar with all the stops at passes, sonmarg, kargil and drass, also victory memorial)

Day 17 - Reach Mumbai and drown in depression after a wonderful trip.

Please provide inputs about this itinerary. This is my 99% final itinerary.

A few questions:

1- We are planning to hire a qualis. Which is a better car - Qualis, Innova, or Scorpio. (scorpio used from manali to leh, pangong and nubra : very comfortable...if u can get a good deal then go for it.....)

2. Do you think BSNL mobile as well as GPRS (Internet connection) would be available in most of these remote places?
Airtel (post paid), BSNL works at leh. Beyond leh nothing works....bsnl mite work till keylong - not sure though after that nothing works till leh
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Thanks Deeps,

Even we are five of us guys.

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You should have taken volvo, other buses might not be that comfortable and u already have a long ride ahead to leh, but volvo starts at 6:30
We have not yet booked the coach. It will be a Volvo.

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u will need innerline permit, wud be tough to arrange but not impossible w/o going to leh
My agent is doing it.

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dude u shud try to camp at pangong in nite, it is one of the most mesmerizing part of leh trip
Thats a great idea. I am in favour of adding that to my itinerary, but my agent says that we have to camp atleast 10 kms away. Or is it fun to view the sunrise and sunsets?

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i think u can visit both hunder and diskit today itself including sand dunes
The problem is that Pangong to Hunder direct would be around 10-12 hours journey which could be hectic, but I have asked my agent to give me a good solution to this as I want an overnight at Pangong now.

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u can go to panamik directly in morning, visit the hot water springs and come back to leh by evening
right!

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scorpio used from manali to leh, pangong and nubra : very comfortable...if u can get a good deal then go for it.
I am getting a scorpio for a good deal. Should I ask for Tata Safari or is Scorpio better. I have option from Qualis or Scorpio. I havenm't yet found out whether Safari is available or not.

Thanks about the mobile. So pangong, Panamik, etc - no bsnl as well.
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mihir,
Can you please tell me about your scorpio deal?I will be in ladakh from 1st July to 14th July along with my 2 friends and am keen on self drive car hire if its not very expensive.
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Originally Posted by mihirp View Post Day 12 - Leh - Pangong Lake - Drive down to lake and back to Leh. Overnight in Leh.
Day 13 - Leh - Hunder - Leh to Nubra Valley via Khardung la pass. Camp at Hunder.
Day 14 - Hunder - Diskit - Panamik - Visit Hunder and Diskit gompas. Then drive to Panamik, crossing river shyok and then driving along river Nubra to Panamik (which is the last village on old silk route). Overnight camping.
Day 15 - Panamik - Leh - Drive down to Leh via Khardung La pass. Enroute visit Taeger and Samsthaling Gompas. Overnight in Leh.
Cut down one day at Nubra and spend it at Pangong Tso, it’s a beautiful place and a speed run to it and back wont do any justice. Rest looks fine, no problem at all.

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Originally Posted by mihirp View Post 1- We are planning to hire a qualis. Which is a better car - Qualis, Innova, or Scorpio.
Hire a Qualis or an Innova they are better at soaking up the bumps.

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Originally Posted by mihirp View Post 2. Do you think BSNL mobile as well as GPRS (Internet connection) would be available in most of these remote places?
Not sure if BSNL has GPRS connections, but it would only work at Manali, Keylong and Leh. Internet cafes are there at Tanksey, Leh and Diskit.
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well yogesh answered it and i did too....u shud offset one extra day in nubra with nite stay in pangong......

10km away, thats something new.....we camped 2 min walking distance from shores of pangong in spangmik...right next to the hotel which was being built there.....ask ur agent whether he can book that new hotel (if thats completed)

i will vouch for scorpio any day....qualis is less comfortable at back and innova has less ground clearance and its tyres are smaller........so go for scorpio.....we did whole leh-pangong-nubra in a scorpio which has run 43k kms in leh region and it was so smooth.................
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