Kolkata nostalgia & gastronomy

brishti · Aug 15th, 2008, 02:28

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singsub · Aug 15th, 2008, 17:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by brishti

methinks singsaheb will best translate khak's post!
he has got to be the groan'iest person on IM!... and for that,
his sarcasm is best suited for the translation!

groan-iest-er er maney ki??

jyotirmoy · Aug 15th, 2008, 17:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gametotravel

@Jyotirmoy: Aamer Moraba and Kuler Achar were among my favourites among many others from a vendor outside my school "mr Pires Pvt School" apart from phanton cigarettes.

Man dada you have opened up a can of worms . But you did miss out on "chur mur "made by the puchkavalas of areas south of Ballygunge(somehow the areas on either side were different); Another experience! I do not know Jyotirmoyda if you had visited a shop called "Chat Ghar" in Jodhpurpark making Chana Bhatura and Alu Dam in the 70's ;this belonged to my very own maternal grandmother !

My experience with Mughlai Parathas too started with Cal though now I am in the South!

Also incedentely I am having Mishti Doi from Sree Durga Sweets (one of the only in Chennai) as I read this!

Bhai Gametotravel,
My teritory was north & central so I was not aware of the places you mentioned.

jyotirmoy · Aug 15th, 2008, 17:50

A few lines to add to Khak's list

Rongbazi ber kore debo

Dada ar koto bokka jharben?

Ota to akta bishal dhoor re

Aamar sathey piyanji?

ooph ar parinaaaaaaa....

jyotirmoy · Aug 15th, 2008, 17:51

Translation impossible perhaps

kristinm · Aug 15th, 2008, 19:52

Jyoti - what is the name of the special Bengali cigarettes you were smoking at the meetup? JP wanted to know.. Thanks & hope you are well.

Hyderabadi · Aug 15th, 2008, 20:02

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Originally Posted by kristinm

Jyoti - what is the name of the special Bengali cigarettes you were smoking at the meetup? JP wanted to know.. Thanks & hope you are well.

AFAIK, Jyoti da is a fan of Charminar cigarettes (see my avatar), from my humble city of Hyderabad.

jyotirmoy · Aug 15th, 2008, 21:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by kristinm

Jyoti - what is the name of the special Bengali cigarettes you were smoking at the meetup? JP wanted to know.. Thanks & hope you are well.

Hi dear kristin,
Hyderabadi bhai has answered your question.
I am well and hope the same with you. How is Oscar doing? Strumming away?
My best wishes.

jyotirmoy · Aug 15th, 2008, 22:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by singsub

groan-iest-er er maney ki??

Akhono zaantee pur la na?
Apologies to late genius Parashuram the greatest Satirist of Bengali literature.
The Mahapurush part of Ray's Kaapurush and Mahapurush is based on his story Birinchi Baba

kristinm · Aug 16th, 2008, 06:23

Jyoti-da we are all fine, Oscar is playing in a concert for a music program he has been in tonight - one band on drums and one on guitar...
All the best from us too!

abhijit.s · Aug 16th, 2008, 13:20

to add further...
bhapa rosogolla at Bajahari Manna
kababs at Astor
Brain pakora at Anarkali
Grilled sandwiches at Flurys
Telebhaja at Kalikas
Mutton korma at Radus
Singara at Bancharam
Prawn Cutlet at Changwa
Mutton stu at Mohonbagan Tent
Full gost kabab at Arsalan

stake501 · Aug 17th, 2008, 01:22

wheres the best place for channa jalebis?

my mouth is watering reading this thread...yum yum

KABAARY · Aug 17th, 2008, 02:34

Camac street outlet of Bhojo Hori Manna...

Tandoori prawns in Gucchi restaurant in Hyatt are the best I have had anywhere...

No mention of Tangra ?

Third Bardo · Aug 17th, 2008, 05:20

> 1. Ohh...aaj aar bolben naa!

Literal translation for laughs (LTFL):
Oh ...today, please don't say.

Very rough approximation of meaning (VRAOM):
What a day!

> 2. Chol...ektaa biri phunke aashi!
VRAOM: Let's go have a smoke.

> 3. Thak thak dada o shob jana ache.

LTFL: Stay stay older brother, all that is known.

VRAOM: <this one is impossible ... tone is critical>
Don't! I/we get it! <said belligerantly or sceptically>
______________________________ _____________________________
Questions of myself: why am I doing this? who is this really for? what does it say about my life that I am doing this of my own free will? Since Bengalis already know what these quintessentially Bangla phrases mean, I just don't see non-Bengali students of Bangla slipping some of these 'lines' in casually as they practice conjugation.

Note 1 for the imaginary student of Bangla: don't try these phrases randomly without an understanding of how age, relationship, social class and context affect the Bangla language - especially, the many forms of 'you' - tui, tumi, apni.

Note 2: the term 'dada' which is used by brothers and sisters to refer to their older brothers may be freely used in public to address male strangers (who appear to look older) - 'didi' in the case of women.

Note 3: it is hard to say when dada becomes dadu - since we're somewhat of a 'lookist' culture, don't be surprised if a few wrinkles or a shiny bald pate trigger the 'dadu' greeting.

Returning to my academic exercise.
______________________________ ______________________________

> 4. Minibus-e aajkey jaa ek piece dekhlaam naa!
LTFL: I saw this piece in the minibus today!
VRAOM: <Replace 'piece' with 'hot chick' in above sentence.>

> 5. Khokaaa...duto chhoto chaa...aamaar tabil-e.

VRAOM: Here! <snapping your fingers ... I recommend we refrain from hailing khoka this way from now on> Two small cups of tea at this table.

______________________________ ______________________________ ____
Looking at the next one (and the dozen or so gems below it) I feel a little tired already. These are truly priceless. Time to take a nap. Gotta remain true to my roots. I leave the rest to worthier Bangalis.
______________________________ ______________________________ ____

> 6. Ei PAL-daa...office e ghumochchhen keno?

> 7. Kaal World Cup semifinal...aami baba office-e aaschhi naa.
> 8. Peyaj-er daam 30taakaa...Shaalaa gobment-o hoyechhe!
> 9. Boro shaaheb ke kaal jaa tight diyechhi naa.
> 10. Ebaar Baanglaa Bandh-ta aabaar Budhbaar daklo keno? Shombaar holei
> o bhaalo hoto. Lomba chuti paoa jeto.
> 11. Achchhha dada, Pay Commission-er report ki amader-o affect korchhe?
> 12. Chhoto chheletaar aabar kodin dhore aamashaa.
> 13. Aaj taratari beriye bhabchhi 4 te-r Noihati Local-ta dhorbo.
> 14. Aarey moshaai Open Economy-Teconomy diye kissu hobe naa
> ..Industrial Revolution chaai.
> 15. Ei je dada, gaari kore jachchen bole ki bhabchen? Amra ki manush
> noi naa ki?
> 16. Ei je besi kotha noi, Dhore Kelie debo.
> 17. Ei je dada ! boudir sindur er khyal rakhben... handle dhore oto
> jhulben na.
> 18. Aye! Tumi jaano ami ke?
> 19.Calcutta bus-conductors... AASTEY LADIES! .... AASTEY LADIES! PETEY BACHCHA![/quote]

karuna · Aug 17th, 2008, 05:28

What a tour de force!

Thank you for the English translations. I was beginning to feel a bit left out and dumb (and slightly concerned that I'm reading outrageously filthy comments without knowing...). I think your system of literal and intended meanings works really well and should be adopted as best practice from now on!

Aug 17th, 2008, 01:22	#42
stake501 Jake. I need my money...Jake Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: London Posts: 66	wheres the best place for channa jalebis? my mouth is watering reading this thread...yum yum __________________ Live fast, Die Young, Leave a good looking corpse

Aug 17th, 2008, 05:20	#44
Third Bardo Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: The Twin Cities Posts: 17	Fools rush in where angels .... > 1. Ohh...aaj aar bolben naa! Literal translation for laughs (LTFL): Oh ...today, please don't say. Very rough approximation of meaning (VRAOM): What a day! > 2. Chol...ektaa biri phunke aashi! VRAOM: Let's go have a smoke. > 3. Thak thak dada o shob jana ache. LTFL: Stay stay older brother, all that is known. VRAOM: <this one is impossible ... tone is critical> Don't! I/we get it! <said belligerantly or sceptically> ______________________________ _____________________________ Questions of myself: why am I doing this? who is this really for? what does it say about my life that I am doing this of my own free will? Since Bengalis already know what these quintessentially Bangla phrases mean, I just don't see non-Bengali students of Bangla slipping some of these 'lines' in casually as they practice conjugation. Note 1 for the imaginary student of Bangla: don't try these phrases randomly without an understanding of how age, relationship, social class and context affect the Bangla language - especially, the many forms of 'you' - tui, tumi, apni. Note 2: the term 'dada' which is used by brothers and sisters to refer to their older brothers may be freely used in public to address male strangers (who appear to look older) - 'didi' in the case of women. Note 3: it is hard to say when dada becomes dadu - since we're somewhat of a 'lookist' culture, don't be surprised if a few wrinkles or a shiny bald pate trigger the 'dadu' greeting. Returning to my academic exercise. ______________________________ ______________________________ > 4. Minibus-e aajkey jaa ek piece dekhlaam naa! LTFL: I saw this piece in the minibus today! VRAOM: <Replace 'piece' with 'hot chick' in above sentence.> > 5. Khokaaa...duto chhoto chaa...aamaar tabil-e. VRAOM: Here! <snapping your fingers ... I recommend we refrain from hailing khoka this way from now on> Two small cups of tea at this table. ______________________________ ______________________________ ____ Looking at the next one (and the dozen or so gems below it) I feel a little tired already. These are truly priceless. Time to take a nap. Gotta remain true to my roots. I leave the rest to worthier Bangalis. ______________________________ ______________________________ ____ > 6. Ei PAL-daa...office e ghumochchhen keno? > 7. Kaal World Cup semifinal...aami baba office-e aaschhi naa. > 8. Peyaj-er daam 30taakaa...Shaalaa gobment-o hoyechhe! > 9. Boro shaaheb ke kaal jaa tight diyechhi naa. > 10. Ebaar Baanglaa Bandh-ta aabaar Budhbaar daklo keno? Shombaar holei > o bhaalo hoto. Lomba chuti paoa jeto. > 11. Achchhha dada, Pay Commission-er report ki amader-o affect korchhe? > 12. Chhoto chheletaar aabar kodin dhore aamashaa. > 13. Aaj taratari beriye bhabchhi 4 te-r Noihati Local-ta dhorbo. > 14. Aarey moshaai Open Economy-Teconomy diye kissu hobe naa > ..Industrial Revolution chaai. > 15. Ei je dada, gaari kore jachchen bole ki bhabchen? Amra ki manush > noi naa ki? > 16. Ei je besi kotha noi, Dhore Kelie debo. > 17. Ei je dada ! boudir sindur er khyal rakhben... handle dhore oto > jhulben na. > 18. Aye! Tumi jaano ami ke? > 19.Calcutta bus-conductors... AASTEY LADIES! .... AASTEY LADIES! PETEY BACHCHA![/quote]

Aug 17th, 2008, 05:28	#45
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