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Originally Posted by blackfog View Post With the thread degrading into a discussion of morality ..........
May be such line of...............!
Degrade? I just miss the point. May be not intellectual/intelligent enough..I am one those who believes that all discussions are worth listening to as long as it does not do any harm to others -Certainly opinions vary....
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Originally Posted by narayanvee View Post Degrade? I just miss the point. May be not intellectual/intelligent enough..I am one those who believes that all discussions are worth listening to as long as it does not do any harm to others -Certainly opinions vary....
Sarcasm sir, caustic sarcasm.

I end with "such line of thought as mine is what's wrong with Kerala".

Nobody wants to talk about ethics and morality in the society. The words are only used when someone does something wrong. How would they develop a well-trained compass when in fair weather we shy from even using these words! Forget deliberating about these and having commonplace discussions about these.
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Originally Posted by blackfog View Post Sarcasm sir, caustic sarcasm.
I end with "such line of thought as mine is what's wrong with Kerala".
Nobody wants to talk about ethics and morality in the society. The words are only used when someone does something wrong. How would they develop a well-trained compass when in fair weather we shy from even using these words! Forget deliberating about these and having commonplace discussions about these.
I was being honest as I could not understand what you meant. As you are not in Kerala you may not be aware of the discussions going on about the social problems here. There are many who work sincerely and who are dedicated to make people aware of the problems in society. There are many issues here- including environmental pollution and the social problems of addictions and lack of social commitments, among people. I shall tell you a little example. People know that plastic waste(polythene cover etc.) is a big problem. What many easily do is to throw these out of their houses and compounds- may be public places or private, where people will not easily see them dong this. Ethics is too big a word as it may cover the whole life of man as a social being. The problem here is that there is only a minuscule minority who are interested to discuss and work and have a follow up. I have always been disturbed by the fact we fail to inspire youngsters to take part as they just don't care- I mean generally. When there are only senior citizens in most of the groups the out put will be very low as we have a lot of problems like traveling around and getting mass support. As there is not anything to get, I mean power or money generally people are not interested in such things. Besides time and sometimes money has to be spent also. Social morality is part of human ethics but people in general do not care. To expect that any large group, including politicians to be morally upright in a generally morally corrupt society is just a folly. They are just part of the society and people in general do not care as to the commitments of whom they elect- a shortcoming of democracy. We have an association working for the rehab and treatment of mentally ill. Do you know how difficult it is to get a larger group who are committed and now it is still a group of people, the majority of which are are above 65. I can go on writing about the problems but it will be a waste of my time and also that of the readers.
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What you mention above is the case not just in Gods Own Country, it is all over Our Own Country.
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Yeah, that is why I said that the sin was in calling it GOC in the first place, and then maybe believing the hype.
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Originally Posted by capt_mahajan View Post Yeah, that is why I said that the sin was in calling it GOC in the first place, and then maybe believing the hype.
Captainji, I don't think that anybody in Kerala / India believed this was a GOC at any time. There were many who believed otherwise. The GOC had been taken just as a joke by most. I was quoting this name just to show, what a contradiction it has been all along. Can you say this about any place in India/elsewhere?
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Isn't Hindustan ka Dil Dekho (MP) on similar lines?
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Originally Posted by narayanvee View Post Social morality is part of human ethics but people in general do not care. To expect that any large group, including politicians to be morally upright in a generally morally corrupt society is just a folly.
That's a heavy statement -- social morality is part of human ethics. And I think vice versa as well, because ethics of individuals collectively form the societal ethics! Also, individual ethics are a function of nature and nurture. So society's moral fabric defines the (at least the average) ethics of an individual.

Yes, politicians are part of the same society. Everyone is not Stalin or George Washington or Modi. Most politicians are a reflection of what a society promotes.
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It seems that in Kerala we cannot pass a day, without a controversy, sometimes beyond imagination, where we have the most number of educated people, where people in general are aware of everything under the sun.In the last few days the politicians in Kerala are losing their sense of proportion, jumping out of their minds. The supreme court order prohibiting liquor bars and sale outlets along national highways and state highways, restricting the distance from these, is a big blow to the government. But when a minister says that many of the developmental works will have to be stopped as they cannot sell enough liquor to earn money, it does sound a little strange and one wonders whether they will be willing to run brothels to earn more. Can a government which encourages people to be drunkards be said to be a government for the people, I wonder.

There is another controversy which has generated a lot of sound and fury. The Munnar area which is a tourist spot has become the haven of land mafia especially a lot of these goons sponsored by political parties. The Sub-collector of the district who is honest, sincere and committed to his job has been working to evict the land grabbers who are really powerful and he had the support of the CPI revenue minister and the department. A Christian Group which is created to grab as much land as possible erected a stainless steel cross more than 20' high to give the land grab a religious colour. But the officer in spite of strong resistance from this group- this is not a religious group accepted by any of the real Christan churches-demolished the cross and the platform. They have got more than 500 acres of land at this spot and many more at various places. None of the recognised Christian group did see any thing wrong about this and all of them were with the department. But suddenly everything changed as the CM ( from CPM) started to accuse the revenue department and the officer telling them that what they did was hurting the religious sentiments and was something atrocious. Some of the Christian groups who did not see anything wrong about it suddenly started shouting at the department and the officers. The real reasons were the fact that many of the CPI(M) workers including the MLA, and a minister from there had been supporting this mafia; besides the infighting between the CPM and CPI is another reason. So a programme which would have saved this hilly region from antisocial goons has come to a stand still. An illiterate CPI(M) minister who is so uncultured and uncivilized, who became a minister only because he was the CM's man started abusing all those involved in this project including the media in words which no man in his right senses will use; he even abused women strikers using vulgar language and yet till now no action has been taken against him, in spite of loud protests from all. The CM who was told to be a strong leader has fallen prey to nepotism and sheer partiality and insensitivity.

To day the ruling party got a beating from the supreme court setting aside the order transferring the former DGP for some lame reasons and appointing another officer in his place, the real reason being that the former had acted against their party workers in some cases, though what he did was legal and just. So Kerala is becoming a platform for political caricature and the theater of the absurd.
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This is so sad. I don't follow news as much so didn't know. They are cutting the branch they are sitting on...
I've stopped going to Kerala for tourism. We as kids were mighty inspired by Kerala's literacy and Punjab's per capita income. Even MP State Education Board books had small success stories of these states. Look where the states are now.
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The alcohol situation in Kerala is a problem. The original decision by the Keralan government to restrict the sale of alcohol to people frequenting 4/5 star hotels was clearly discriminatory and this was confirmed by the Supreme Court. Yes Kerala has an alcohol consumption problem but banning alcohol does not work. As shown not only by the experience of prohibition in the USA but in dry states in India where alcohol is smuggled in. I know for a fact that when the original restriction was imposed people started purchasing small stills to produce their own alcohol can cause serious health problems.
I was told that something approaching 22% of tax take by the Keralan government is derived from alcohol sales Banning or restricting alcohol sales would cause a dilemma for the government as the loss of tax income would either result in a reduction in projects or a substantial increase in general taxation to recover the loss. In my view the only sensible approach is through education in schools and through the use of tV information adverts and social media.
As for the situation in Munnar I know that a few years ago there was a crackdown on land grabbing but the problem has returned. Maybe the term land grabbing should be changed to stealing and where it is happening should immediately involve the police and local government to take these ‘thieves to court.
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IMHO, there is only one GOC in India - Kashmir.
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Originally Posted by blackfog View Post This is so sad. I don't follow news as much so didn't know. They are cutting the branch they are sitting on...
I've stopped going to Kerala for tourism. We as kids were mighty inspired by Kerala's literacy and Punjab's per capita income. Even MP State Education Board books had small success stories of these states. Look where the states are now.
In spite of all the short comings and the duplicity and lack of commitment of politicians, Kerala is a place worth visiting for various reasons. I think in many respects any other place in India is as bad as Kerala. But the disturbing factor is that in spite of being so much advanced in literacy, it is not reflected in their life and one wonders " where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge!"
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Sadly knowledge and wisdom rarely occur at the same time. Knowledge brought about the industrial revolution but wisdom might have forewarned us about depleting basic resources, climate change and slave labour. Knowledge gave us nuclear power but wisdom would have told us it would be used to create bombs. Knowledge brought about the 4D printer but wisdom would have forewarned us that the first use of this technology was to make a gun. I could go on!
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Saw this story today about another cultural issue going on Kerala: https://www.pgurus.com/has-kerala-become-taliban-land/
Sadly, it corroborates with what I'm told by my native friends.
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