will the be treated as touting...??

mira4bai4 · Dec 23rd, 2004, 07:52

Krishnika, this may look like it is moving off topic getting into a personal discussion as opposed to the original thread but your honour if I might state the case for the defendant the Tout as there is a Tout in all of us.

And before I forget welcome Pakman007, this is a strange place to be hold up, don't become addicted IM is having a very damaging affect on many viewers I believe.

Now to continue with the courts tolerance. We are born with our destiny before us, it is stamped on our forehead so to speak like the production details of a mass produced consumer product. For the first few months we are cool, no one really hassles us, after a bit we are becoming influenced by our surroundings and then we start getting into it the quirky things that our families are into, their hang ups and their ways of doing things. This is all about conditioning, known as the family narrative, The grand mother insisted on this, the mother insists upon it and it is drummed into the elder daughter who drums it into the younger etc, same for the males. "if it was good enough for great grandfather then we will do it that way", "this is the way we have always done it in this family", "you will get out there and continue the family tradition". So it goes on.

Before you know it your 'God' given destiny is being replaced by the precautionary culmination of a families likes and dislikes and for peace of mind or lack of self confidence we march out into the world one of them, conditioned by their beliefs and experiences. So our own personal destiny, our full potential is not realised as it has in part been over shadowed by others desire for our destiny based on their unfulfilled dreams and ambitions. Our destiny is still available to us but we first have to remove the shroud of others desires, get rid of the fog.

Now Touts as in those that we have become familiar with in India and I am cautioned about generalising but would add that world wide Touts would often come from a family background of Touts. The skills are handed down through the family, the conditioning is implanted and so touting as a way of life is not only expected, it is familiar. While some are not born to it, through necessity they move down that path. So if we see a tout that has the finesse, the style, the music and rhythm of the Dance of the Thousand Touts, then this is destiny and being a self realised tout, reaching the pinnacle of tout hood one could well become a politician, though we might surmise that touting may be more of an honest life style.

It is important to look back into your history here and the family tree to see if there were any touts in the family, any urges or desires for touting may be a indication of a latent tout nature, possibly even a reincarnation of the very same family tout. If this be the case and there is tout blood running through the veins, well it is difficult to fight the call of Touting.

I rest my case and thank the court for its tolerance.

Krishnika · Dec 23rd, 2004, 11:25

I enjoy reading your posts, mira4bai4!

mira4bai4 · Dec 24th, 2004, 07:35

Audiences encourage expressive art and a comment or enquiry can spin one into any direction and it is surprising sometimes what comes of it. A tout therefore requires and audience, no audience, no avenue for self expression.

So if one enjoys the art, that is only part of it, the question is, is anyone buying it? Am I here to sell something or give something away? A tout is in a business, we may paint and write or sing or dance for not only the enjoyment but as a way of making a living. Now that the audience is captivated do I begin my sales pitch, my craft is to capture, enthral and within this feeling of pleasure allow you to take the opportunity of owning part of it but a good tout will give you a good memory and experience with it, a poor tout will give you a bad memory or experience.

The original context of the thread was "Will this be treated as touting?", that is telling people about the IndiaMike Travel Forums and encouraging them to make use of it. The simple answer is yes it is, but does it make them feel good, it seems that everyone is happy; so far so good, does one have to buy anything, not really but there are ways of contributing. So if we look at a Busker and maybe a really good tout is likened to a busker, we give a donation for the performance and enjoyment. This is the option at IndiaMikes, all donations gratefully received. It is also important that all of us IMers are contributing to the creativity and the good feeling of viewers, so we are all buskers.

Bigzero · Dec 24th, 2004, 12:41

right!

brightspark · Dec 24th, 2004, 14:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by butterball

Sometimes I think we should have a secret 'code' like a distinctive article of clothing or something so we can recognise each other

... because I'm sure I've met more of you out there without knowing it ! Feels a bit weird asking everyone you meet.. ' do you know Indiamike ? '

There will surely be a lot of blank faces !

bb

Yes perhaps a badge to start with, which could be bought from the site..or sent to people contributing.. and perhaps a t-shirt or a scarf..

mira4bai4 · Dec 24th, 2004, 15:41

I wouldn't mind a cap for my shaved head.

Actually we could get some stuff made up and set up a we sidewalk stall and sell them

Krishnika · Dec 24th, 2004, 16:30

better if we go door to door to really practice good touting.

(my childhhood girlscout nightmare

)

dzibead · Dec 25th, 2004, 00:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krishnika

better if we go door to door to really practice good touting.

(my childhhood girlscout nightmare

)

LOL!!!

I can totally relate! My childhood sales technique: sidle up to the door, knock twice (softly), and when it was (to my horror) actually answered, back away, mumbling "You wouldn't want to buy any Girl Scout cookies, would you?"

mira4bai4 · Dec 25th, 2004, 16:12

Now that was good technique, the seeking sympathy approach. How many times have we seen children carrying younger children asking for money or trying to sell something, such style, like a melting moment. I bet that as young girls you sold heaps of cookies

Krishnika · Dec 25th, 2004, 17:09

After the first painful year, I sold to my parents and 2 neighbors - refused to do more than that. My Dad would sell to his friends at work! Needless to say, I won no prizes for my effort!

mira4bai4 · Dec 25th, 2004, 18:40

Well Krishnika, I don't think that you are a lost cause, we all have potential and if we can learn from experience, learn from watching and listening to others then the opportunity is still there.

I ask this, do you still wish that you could be a 'Tout'?

If you do it is time that you hit the streets and did some on the ground research, find those people that are selling a vegetable peeler they are always good, or go to a produce and craft market and spend time just watching how the stall holders are promoting their products, if there happens to be a trade show or trades fair around, that is where the experts are to be found, often guys from Britian, they enjoy themsleves and travel the world selling paint pads, vegetable peelers, slicers, window cleaners, slurpy sponges etc. Massage therapy was another good demo, the vibrating chairs and back pads and hand held massage vibrators, I did those for a while and meet some really interesting people. Take the time to watch these people and observe the techniques, listen to the patter, the talk, the sales pitch that is used and how they draw in an audience.

At one stage I had my own business where I travelled round either demonstrating products or travelling to overseas shows to find new products to get the agencies. So the world of the Tout is not just the door knocking, the helpful guide that directs you to a supplier of fine products and services as we experience often in India, or the presenter of products for demonstration of consumption but also that person that organises the touts, their products, the king pin, head tout, the Master Tout.

Really anyone who works on commission is also tout.

Krishnika · Dec 25th, 2004, 20:43

mira4bai4 - it seems to me you could start a new consultancy teaching people how to be a good tout! I'm not quite serious about studying to become one, I just realize that many things in life would be easier for me if I were a good one.

Then again, I'm not exactly in search of the easy life.

mira4bai4 · Dec 26th, 2004, 15:58

Thats okay, don't take it up professionally and as they say, great but don't give up the day job. Having a little touting skill under our belt can be useful at times, one never knows when a new tactic is needed or having the ability to talk ourselves out of a wet paper bag is like having the illusions of a magician at your finger tips, a bit of improvised acting at the drop of a hat; sometimes we need to draw attention to ourselves or create a diversion away from ourselves, it can be used either way. It is a tool.

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Dec 23rd, 2004, 07:52	#46
mira4bai4 Lost in Space Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: ND PaharGanj Permanently/Temporarily Posts: 1,195	Krishnika, this may look like it is moving off topic getting into a personal discussion as opposed to the original thread but your honour if I might state the case for the defendant the Tout as there is a Tout in all of us. And before I forget welcome Pakman007, this is a strange place to be hold up, don't become addicted IM is having a very damaging affect on many viewers I believe. Now to continue with the courts tolerance. We are born with our destiny before us, it is stamped on our forehead so to speak like the production details of a mass produced consumer product. For the first few months we are cool, no one really hassles us, after a bit we are becoming influenced by our surroundings and then we start getting into it the quirky things that our families are into, their hang ups and their ways of doing things. This is all about conditioning, known as the family narrative, The grand mother insisted on this, the mother insists upon it and it is drummed into the elder daughter who drums it into the younger etc, same for the males. "if it was good enough for great grandfather then we will do it that way", "this is the way we have always done it in this family", "you will get out there and continue the family tradition". So it goes on. Before you know it your 'God' given destiny is being replaced by the precautionary culmination of a families likes and dislikes and for peace of mind or lack of self confidence we march out into the world one of them, conditioned by their beliefs and experiences. So our own personal destiny, our full potential is not realised as it has in part been over shadowed by others desire for our destiny based on their unfulfilled dreams and ambitions. Our destiny is still available to us but we first have to remove the shroud of others desires, get rid of the fog. Now Touts as in those that we have become familiar with in India and I am cautioned about generalising but would add that world wide Touts would often come from a family background of Touts. The skills are handed down through the family, the conditioning is implanted and so touting as a way of life is not only expected, it is familiar. While some are not born to it, through necessity they move down that path. So if we see a tout that has the finesse, the style, the music and rhythm of the Dance of the Thousand Touts, then this is destiny and being a self realised tout, reaching the pinnacle of tout hood one could well become a politician, though we might surmise that touting may be more of an honest life style. It is important to look back into your history here and the family tree to see if there were any touts in the family, any urges or desires for touting may be a indication of a latent tout nature, possibly even a reincarnation of the very same family tout. If this be the case and there is tout blood running through the veins, well it is difficult to fight the call of Touting. I rest my case and thank the court for its tolerance.

Dec 23rd, 2004, 11:25	#47
Krishnika taking a break Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NYC Posts: 233	I enjoy reading your posts, mira4bai4!

Dec 24th, 2004, 07:35	#48
mira4bai4 Lost in Space Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: ND PaharGanj Permanently/Temporarily Posts: 1,195	Audiences encourage expressive art and a comment or enquiry can spin one into any direction and it is surprising sometimes what comes of it. A tout therefore requires and audience, no audience, no avenue for self expression. So if one enjoys the art, that is only part of it, the question is, is anyone buying it? Am I here to sell something or give something away? A tout is in a business, we may paint and write or sing or dance for not only the enjoyment but as a way of making a living. Now that the audience is captivated do I begin my sales pitch, my craft is to capture, enthral and within this feeling of pleasure allow you to take the opportunity of owning part of it but a good tout will give you a good memory and experience with it, a poor tout will give you a bad memory or experience. The original context of the thread was "Will this be treated as touting?", that is telling people about the IndiaMike Travel Forums and encouraging them to make use of it. The simple answer is yes it is, but does it make them feel good, it seems that everyone is happy; so far so good, does one have to buy anything, not really but there are ways of contributing. So if we look at a Busker and maybe a really good tout is likened to a busker, we give a donation for the performance and enjoyment. This is the option at IndiaMikes, all donations gratefully received. It is also important that all of us IMers are contributing to the creativity and the good feeling of viewers, so we are all buskers.

Dec 24th, 2004, 15:41	#51
mira4bai4 Lost in Space Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: ND PaharGanj Permanently/Temporarily Posts: 1,195	I wouldn't mind a cap for my shaved head. Actually we could get some stuff made up and set up a we sidewalk stall and sell them

Dec 24th, 2004, 16:30	#52
Krishnika taking a break Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NYC Posts: 233	better if we go door to door to really practice good touting. (my childhhood girlscout nightmare )

Dec 25th, 2004, 16:12	#54
mira4bai4 Lost in Space Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: ND PaharGanj Permanently/Temporarily Posts: 1,195	Now that was good technique, the seeking sympathy approach. How many times have we seen children carrying younger children asking for money or trying to sell something, such style, like a melting moment. I bet that as young girls you sold heaps of cookies

Dec 25th, 2004, 17:09	#55
Krishnika taking a break Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NYC Posts: 233	After the first painful year, I sold to my parents and 2 neighbors - refused to do more than that. My Dad would sell to his friends at work! Needless to say, I won no prizes for my effort!

Dec 25th, 2004, 18:40	#56
mira4bai4 Lost in Space Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: ND PaharGanj Permanently/Temporarily Posts: 1,195	Well Krishnika, I don't think that you are a lost cause, we all have potential and if we can learn from experience, learn from watching and listening to others then the opportunity is still there. I ask this, do you still wish that you could be a 'Tout'? If you do it is time that you hit the streets and did some on the ground research, find those people that are selling a vegetable peeler they are always good, or go to a produce and craft market and spend time just watching how the stall holders are promoting their products, if there happens to be a trade show or trades fair around, that is where the experts are to be found, often guys from Britian, they enjoy themsleves and travel the world selling paint pads, vegetable peelers, slicers, window cleaners, slurpy sponges etc. Massage therapy was another good demo, the vibrating chairs and back pads and hand held massage vibrators, I did those for a while and meet some really interesting people. Take the time to watch these people and observe the techniques, listen to the patter, the talk, the sales pitch that is used and how they draw in an audience. At one stage I had my own business where I travelled round either demonstrating products or travelling to overseas shows to find new products to get the agencies. So the world of the Tout is not just the door knocking, the helpful guide that directs you to a supplier of fine products and services as we experience often in India, or the presenter of products for demonstration of consumption but also that person that organises the touts, their products, the king pin, head tout, the Master Tout. Really anyone who works on commission is also tout.

Dec 25th, 2004, 20:43	#57
Krishnika taking a break Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NYC Posts: 233	mira4bai4 - it seems to me you could start a new consultancy teaching people how to be a good tout! I'm not quite serious about studying to become one, I just realize that many things in life would be easier for me if I were a good one. Then again, I'm not exactly in search of the easy life.

Dec 26th, 2004, 15:58	#58
mira4bai4 Lost in Space Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: ND PaharGanj Permanently/Temporarily Posts: 1,195	Thats okay, don't take it up professionally and as they say, great but don't give up the day job. Having a little touting skill under our belt can be useful at times, one never knows when a new tactic is needed or having the ability to talk ourselves out of a wet paper bag is like having the illusions of a magician at your finger tips, a bit of improvised acting at the drop of a hat; sometimes we need to draw attention to ourselves or create a diversion away from ourselves, it can be used either way. It is a tool.

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