Tigers Disappearing From Rajaji National Park

kaustabh · Nov 5th, 2009, 15:06

After Sariska and Panna now it is Rajaji National Park. According to 2005 tiger counting 24 tigers were to be there. Now they says only 12 can be traced. Unofficially they admitted the remaining may have fallen to poaching. The future of Indian tigers appear only dark. It is a shame that we cant even protect our national animal.

indra3040 · Nov 5th, 2009, 15:28

Same in Betla national park. Once upon a time it used to be famous for its tigers. For the last few years the Forest Department has been claiming that there were 24. Then last year they reduced the figure to 12. Most people say, there are no tigers any more, however, the last time I was around the locals talked about a single tigress which roamed around in search of a mate.

Can someone do something to reintroduce tigers there?

kaustabh · Nov 5th, 2009, 16:41

Reintroducing? I don't think it is going to do anything better. The poachers are just waiting for that. Without proper security it will be a clear death penalty for the newly introduced tigers. We already have very few tigers left and with each death we are loosing genetic diversity in the species. That is making the species weak. Unless some serious step is taken it is a loosing battle.

danield · Nov 12th, 2009, 23:39

Yea I get ticked off. Where I was the tigers had increased over last ten years. that was good news for Nagerhole.

I came back with a proposal to some groups about a systematic appraoch to educating especially school children so we develop a culture of anti-poaching. Guess what? Not even the conservation groups even responded.

so I will do my part, even by myself to spread the news of preserving wildlife in small ways, I will keep visiting to help local efforts. Keep doing your part folks.

kaustabh · Nov 13th, 2009, 11:21

Excuse me if I am appearing sadist but most of the NGOs and conservation groups are only interested in the aid they get not the work. It is $$$ that matters. I am expecting nothing from at least the well fed NGOs. Some really "poor" NGOs may still make some difference. Beside this considering the rate of poaching something need to be done immediately. Govt is the last hope. We all know how poorly the Indian forests are guarded. If necessary we have to arrange per tiger basis protection. They are more important than many of the Z+ VIPs.

rushijoshi · Nov 13th, 2009, 13:25

I am agree with Kaustabh, lot of time I am getting call from NGOs to help them and when I am showing them to help by giving some man hours they refused that help and said they already have lot of people.

Coming to the main topic, About Saving Tigers....

Project Tiger Scheme has introduced since 1973 but have not seen tremindus improvement. Accordingly www.projecttiger.nic.in in 1972 the existence of only 1827 tigers (At that time there were no advance technics for counting tiger census). They incresead core area, added buffer zone and moved villages but they will help for tiger territory and reduced tiger's fight with Humans. But apart from this they should adopt advance breeding technics and save cubs. They should also track activities of tiger's by GPS system.

Frankly speaking I had 4 Safaries in Corbet, 3 in Kanha and 4 in Tadoba but I had so bad bad-luck that I was not able to see a single tiger. And funny story is Last weekend I visited Pune Zoo and was not able to see 2 tiger's in Caves also

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Regards
Rushi

redninja · Nov 13th, 2009, 13:35

--Kaustabh, with reference--Losing genitic diversity, i think the arse has already fallen out of the Tigers demise, as you need a minimum of something like 2500 animals to keep the boat floating, or maybe it was 2300- If all poaching was stopped and unlimited funds, ect were available it is still not enough, sadly all we can do is enjoy it while it lasts.

kaustabh · Nov 13th, 2009, 13:56

No we can not stop fighting. Till there is a pair of tigers left we must keep on trying. We cannot loose it... many a species have returned from much worse situation. It is not too let yet. But international support is essential. I am usually a "Proud Indian" but cant see any hope here. Indian Govt lacks goodwill for tiger.

rushijoshi · Nov 13th, 2009, 15:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by redninja

--Kaustabh, with reference--Losing genitic diversity, i think the arse has already fallen out of the Tigers demise, as you need a minimum of something like 2500 animals to keep the boat floating, or maybe it was 2300- If all poaching was stopped and unlimited funds, ect were available it is still not enough, sadly all we can do is enjoy it while it lasts.

Tigers are not something to enjoy, when enjoyment came we started hunting Tigers and other Wild animals. Just rleasing funds will not solve this issue, we all know that released funds are not going to grassrout level.

Note: My intention is not to harm anyone's emotions but I just give my point.

Regards
Rushi

Nov 5th, 2009, 15:06	#1
kaustabh Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Burdwan/Kolkata, India Posts: 94	Tigers Disappearing From Rajaji National Park After Sariska and Panna now it is Rajaji National Park. According to 2005 tiger counting 24 tigers were to be there. Now they says only 12 can be traced. Unofficially they admitted the remaining may have fallen to poaching. The future of Indian tigers appear only dark. It is a shame that we cant even protect our national animal.

Nov 5th, 2009, 15:28	#2
indra3040 Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Kolkata Posts: 6	Betla\Palamau Same in Betla national park. Once upon a time it used to be famous for its tigers. For the last few years the Forest Department has been claiming that there were 24. Then last year they reduced the figure to 12. Most people say, there are no tigers any more, however, the last time I was around the locals talked about a single tigress which roamed around in search of a mate. Can someone do something to reintroduce tigers there?

Nov 12th, 2009, 23:39	#4
danield Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Fannettsburg, PA Posts: 93	Pished Off Yea I get ticked off. Where I was the tigers had increased over last ten years. that was good news for Nagerhole. I came back with a proposal to some groups about a systematic appraoch to educating especially school children so we develop a culture of anti-poaching. Guess what? Not even the conservation groups even responded. so I will do my part, even by myself to spread the news of preserving wildlife in small ways, I will keep visiting to help local efforts. Keep doing your part folks. __________________ Stuck on India

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Nov 5th, 2009, 16:41	#3
kaustabh Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Burdwan/Kolkata, India Posts: 94	Reintroducing? I don't think it is going to do anything better. The poachers are just waiting for that. Without proper security it will be a clear death penalty for the newly introduced tigers. We already have very few tigers left and with each death we are loosing genetic diversity in the species. That is making the species weak. Unless some serious step is taken it is a loosing battle.

Nov 13th, 2009, 11:21	#5
kaustabh Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Burdwan/Kolkata, India Posts: 94	Excuse me if I am appearing sadist but most of the NGOs and conservation groups are only interested in the aid they get not the work. It is $$$ that matters. I am expecting nothing from at least the well fed NGOs. Some really "poor" NGOs may still make some difference. Beside this considering the rate of poaching something need to be done immediately. Govt is the last hope. We all know how poorly the Indian forests are guarded. If necessary we have to arrange per tiger basis protection. They are more important than many of the Z+ VIPs.

Nov 13th, 2009, 13:25	#6
rushijoshi Had a good "Tadoba" trip Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: On Earth Posts: 157	I am agree with Kaustabh, lot of time I am getting call from NGOs to help them and when I am showing them to help by giving some man hours they refused that help and said they already have lot of people. Coming to the main topic, About Saving Tigers.... Project Tiger Scheme has introduced since 1973 but have not seen tremindus improvement. Accordingly www.projecttiger.nic.in in 1972 the existence of only 1827 tigers (At that time there were no advance technics for counting tiger census). They incresead core area, added buffer zone and moved villages but they will help for tiger territory and reduced tiger's fight with Humans. But apart from this they should adopt advance breeding technics and save cubs. They should also track activities of tiger's by GPS system. Frankly speaking I had 4 Safaries in Corbet, 3 in Kanha and 4 in Tadoba but I had so bad bad-luck that I was not able to see a single tiger. And funny story is Last weekend I visited Pune Zoo and was not able to see 2 tiger's in Caves also . Regards Rushi

Nov 13th, 2009, 13:35	#7
redninja Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: melbourne australia Posts: 23	--Kaustabh, with reference--Losing genitic diversity, i think the arse has already fallen out of the Tigers demise, as you need a minimum of something like 2500 animals to keep the boat floating, or maybe it was 2300- If all poaching was stopped and unlimited funds, ect were available it is still not enough, sadly all we can do is enjoy it while it lasts.

Nov 13th, 2009, 13:56	#8
kaustabh Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Burdwan/Kolkata, India Posts: 94	No we can not stop fighting. Till there is a pair of tigers left we must keep on trying. We cannot loose it... many a species have returned from much worse situation. It is not too let yet. But international support is essential. I am usually a "Proud Indian" but cant see any hope here. Indian Govt lacks goodwill for tiger.