bharatpur keoladeo park & wider UP itinerary?

global_yatri · Aug 24th, 2007, 02:22

we are planning to drive down from delhi to bharatpur - is it practical to cover vrindavan, mathura and agra sites and reach bharatpur in the same day? we want to do the bird watching circuit early morning the next day - how early is the park open? any advise would be very helpful - thanks.

kingfisher01 · Aug 24th, 2007, 03:36

I think it opens at seven, depends on what time the sun sets. As soon as you are in your lodge, ask.
It's worth taking a guide, they know so many places where to find birds you will not find on your own. Owls in nests for example.

It's an amazing place and after the very wet monsoon this yoear, it we be very full of birds.

You can stay inside the park. The hotel is not worth the money (rooms are just OK, the restaurant certainly is not) but is is nice and quit.

Oustide, I like this place with a nice dining garden.
http://www.hotelsunbird.com/

shashank.aggarwal · Aug 24th, 2007, 10:55

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Originally Posted by global_yatri

we are planning to drive down from delhi to bharatpur - is it practical to cover vrindavan, mathura and agra sites and reach bharatpur in the same day?

Technically its possible..but it might get too rushed..a lot will depend on how much time you want to spend in Bharatpur..

Otherwise if you start at 4 OR 5 AM from Delhi then you will have someon your hand and easily reach Agra by late evening..

global_yatri · Aug 25th, 2007, 01:41

i'm so relieved to have replies - i'm going a bit nuts trying to plan out this whole thing!

shashank, you suggest leaving really early - would we be able to see about four temples in vrindavan and then the dwarkadeesh and other main sites in mathura all in about four hours? and if this is reasonable, wouldn't we be able to get to agra by 4pm if we left delhi around 7am?

now about keoladeo park, we are looking at hotel saras which seems to have the rtdc office in it. we really want to do the bird watching thing early -- i remember years back going with a second cousin and her friends in delhi and we left around 4am and it was just spectacular (i was too young though and don't remember where we went; and am unfortunately out of touch with this cousin!) so anyhow, would we be able to get a guide that early - would it cost us a leg and an arm more for this? thanks again for all the help!

bijapuri · Aug 25th, 2007, 02:06

No. you can't. And you really wouldn't want to, either.

This thread is a version of a common question here at IM.

"How much can I cram into my trip?"

meditate on it this way, fellow traveler . . .

India is a Buffet with endless dishes. You've got one plate, and one hour for lunch. That hour includes commute time to the restaurant. This restaurant is one you've been wanting to visit for ages. You really want to enjoy your meal, isn't it?

Bon apetit!

global_yatri · Aug 25th, 2007, 02:12

no for all of it - or just the getting a guide earlier than 7am part?

bijapuri · Aug 25th, 2007, 02:19

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Originally Posted by global_yatri

no for all of it - or just the getting a guide earlier than 7am part?

hey, I'm on the West coast too- pm me, we can chat!

global_yatri · Aug 25th, 2007, 02:50

i'd rather stick to this forum thing. so have you been to bharatpur? how early can we go to see the birds? and how far is the drive to fatehpur sikri from here?

kingfisher01 · Aug 25th, 2007, 04:02

As soon as the parks are open, guides will be around, don't worry about that. It will not be more expensive, no worry.
Saras, from RTDC is quit dreadfull, my earlier suggestion really is better.

I also stayed in the Eagles-nest two times, also very nice but al little more expensive.
I've been in Bharatpur 7-8 times, I know what I am talking about.

wonderwomanusa · Aug 25th, 2007, 05:59

Whoever runs your hotel will likely introduce you to a guide the night before, and you can make arrangements at that time. My guide arrived before it was light, and we rode into the park just as the sun was coming up.

shashank.aggarwal · Aug 25th, 2007, 14:53

If you really wanna cram it..leave at 4 am from Delhi...by 6 OR 6:30 Am you can start Darshans in Mathura Vrindawan...if they are not too much crowded then you can get free by 10-11 am...

Bharatpur can be reached by 12 o clock and you can leave from that place at 6-7 pm or later...or if you are looking for a hotel option you can stay there as well..

global_yatri · Aug 27th, 2007, 04:31

kingfisher, thanks so much for the suggestions - i did check out hotel sunbird and the location is pretty great. huge price difference for the hotel inside the park (any real advantages as far as how early we can get in to see the birds?) wonderwoman, where did you stay?

and shashank, let me clarify - we don't need to get to bharatpur until later that evening (we're planning to spend the night there) - so with this in mind, could be leave delhi around 7am, do the temple visits at vrindavan and mathura between 9am and 2pm, and then also see agra (sikandra, taj and the agra fort) between 4pm and 7pm? if this is possible, we don't mind getting to bharatpur as late as 9pm that first day. but if this is still way too rushed (yes, don't want to really "cram" it all up into a mess in the end

), we could go from mathura directly to bharatpur and then return to agra the next day -- what do you guys think?

thanks again for all the help!

kingfisher01 · Aug 28th, 2007, 02:26

Hi Global yatri,

If you stay inside the park you can not go in earlier as when you stay outside. Except for the quit surroundings, there are no advantages with staying in the hotel inside. Outside, you have a much nicer place, an internet cafe next door (they sell a nice-Bharatpur coffee mug there, I use it every day

)and it is just more fun to stay there. The hotel inside has a lot to learn (Would be a lovely job to stay there two years as manager and change this building into a lovely hotel!)
Well, if you vist the park, go inside, drink a coffe on the nice terrace and see for yourselve).

Erik

tonylittle · Aug 28th, 2007, 02:43

I have stay at the Sunbird hotel many times 12 time i think its a great little place owners and staff very helpful
Tony

global_yatri · Aug 28th, 2007, 03:39

bharatpur actually sounds like the town is pretty laid back even with the whole touristy park trips etc. how does this park compare to ranthambore (in terms of crowds and viewing the 'natural' state of things ?)

Aug 24th, 2007, 02:22	#1
global_yatri fellow traveler Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: west coast Posts: 110	bharatpur keoladeo park & wider UP itinerary? we are planning to drive down from delhi to bharatpur - is it practical to cover vrindavan, mathura and agra sites and reach bharatpur in the same day? we want to do the bird watching circuit early morning the next day - how early is the park open? any advise would be very helpful - thanks. Last edited by machadinha : Aug 25th, 2007 at 18:30. Reason: adjusted title

Aug 25th, 2007, 01:41	#4
global_yatri fellow traveler Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: west coast Posts: 110	thank you - i'm so relieved to have replies - i'm going a bit nuts trying to plan out this whole thing! shashank, you suggest leaving really early - would we be able to see about four temples in vrindavan and then the dwarkadeesh and other main sites in mathura all in about four hours? and if this is reasonable, wouldn't we be able to get to agra by 4pm if we left delhi around 7am? now about keoladeo park, we are looking at hotel saras which seems to have the rtdc office in it. we really want to do the bird watching thing early -- i remember years back going with a second cousin and her friends in delhi and we left around 4am and it was just spectacular (i was too young though and don't remember where we went; and am unfortunately out of touch with this cousin!) so anyhow, would we be able to get a guide that early - would it cost us a leg and an arm more for this? thanks again for all the help!

Aug 25th, 2007, 02:06	#5
bijapuri laid traps for troubadours Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Priustan Posts: 2,601	No. you can't. And you really wouldn't want to, either. This thread is a version of a common question here at IM. "How much can I cram into my trip?" meditate on it this way, fellow traveler . . . India is a Buffet with endless dishes. You've got one plate, and one hour for lunch. That hour includes commute time to the restaurant. This restaurant is one you've been wanting to visit for ages. You really want to enjoy your meal, isn't it? Bon apetit! __________________ Focusing your life solely on making a buck shows a certain poverty of ambition. It asks too little of yourself. Because it's only when you hitch your wagon to something larger than yourself that you realize your true potential. Barack Obama lookit me!!!: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bijapuri/ Utube fuzzy logic: http://youtube.com/profile_videos?user=bijapuri&p =r

Aug 25th, 2007, 02:12	#6
global_yatri fellow traveler Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: west coast Posts: 110	no for which part?! no for all of it - or just the getting a guide earlier than 7am part?

Aug 25th, 2007, 05:59	#10
wonderwomanusa Maha Guru Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Dhaka Posts: 3,568	Whoever runs your hotel will likely introduce you to a guide the night before, and you can make arrangements at that time. My guide arrived before it was light, and we rode into the park just as the sun was coming up. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by wonderwomanusa : Aug 25th, 2007 at 06:01. Reason: Add photo

Aug 24th, 2007, 03:36	#2
kingfisher01 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Zoetermeer, Netherlands Posts: 19	I think it opens at seven, depends on what time the sun sets. As soon as you are in your lodge, ask. It's worth taking a guide, they know so many places where to find birds you will not find on your own. Owls in nests for example. It's an amazing place and after the very wet monsoon this yoear, it we be very full of birds. You can stay inside the park. The hotel is not worth the money (rooms are just OK, the restaurant certainly is not) but is is nice and quit. Oustide, I like this place with a nice dining garden. http://www.hotelsunbird.com/

Aug 25th, 2007, 02:50	#8
global_yatri fellow traveler Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: west coast Posts: 110	i'd rather stick to this forum thing. so have you been to bharatpur? how early can we go to see the birds? and how far is the drive to fatehpur sikri from here?

Aug 25th, 2007, 04:02	#9
kingfisher01 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Zoetermeer, Netherlands Posts: 19	As soon as the parks are open, guides will be around, don't worry about that. It will not be more expensive, no worry. Saras, from RTDC is quit dreadfull, my earlier suggestion really is better. I also stayed in the Eagles-nest two times, also very nice but al little more expensive. I've been in Bharatpur 7-8 times, I know what I am talking about.

Aug 25th, 2007, 14:53	#11
shashank.aggarwal Mr. Badboy :D Join Date: May 2007 Location: ~ Dilli ~ Posts: 5,779	If you really wanna cram it..leave at 4 am from Delhi...by 6 OR 6:30 Am you can start Darshans in Mathura Vrindawan...if they are not too much crowded then you can get free by 10-11 am... Bharatpur can be reached by 12 o clock and you can leave from that place at 6-7 pm or later...or if you are looking for a hotel option you can stay there as well..

Aug 27th, 2007, 04:31	#12
global_yatri fellow traveler Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: west coast Posts: 110	big thanks! kingfisher, thanks so much for the suggestions - i did check out hotel sunbird and the location is pretty great. huge price difference for the hotel inside the park (any real advantages as far as how early we can get in to see the birds?) wonderwoman, where did you stay? and shashank, let me clarify - we don't need to get to bharatpur until later that evening (we're planning to spend the night there) - so with this in mind, could be leave delhi around 7am, do the temple visits at vrindavan and mathura between 9am and 2pm, and then also see agra (sikandra, taj and the agra fort) between 4pm and 7pm? if this is possible, we don't mind getting to bharatpur as late as 9pm that first day. but if this is still way too rushed (yes, don't want to really "cram" it all up into a mess in the end ), we could go from mathura directly to bharatpur and then return to agra the next day -- what do you guys think? thanks again for all the help!

Aug 28th, 2007, 02:26	#13
kingfisher01 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Zoetermeer, Netherlands Posts: 19	Hi Global yatri, If you stay inside the park you can not go in earlier as when you stay outside. Except for the quit surroundings, there are no advantages with staying in the hotel inside. Outside, you have a much nicer place, an internet cafe next door (they sell a nice-Bharatpur coffee mug there, I use it every day )and it is just more fun to stay there. The hotel inside has a lot to learn (Would be a lovely job to stay there two years as manager and change this building into a lovely hotel!) Well, if you vist the park, go inside, drink a coffe on the nice terrace and see for yourselve). Erik

Aug 28th, 2007, 02:43	#14
tonylittle Da Da Gee Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ross on wye england Posts: 314	I have stay at the Sunbird hotel many times 12 time i think its a great little place owners and staff very helpful Tony

Aug 28th, 2007, 03:39	#15
global_yatri fellow traveler Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: west coast Posts: 110	keoladeo vs. ranthambore? bharatpur actually sounds like the town is pretty laid back even with the whole touristy park trips etc. how does this park compare to ranthambore (in terms of crowds and viewing the 'natural' state of things ?)

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