Visa Guidance

richie4india · May 9th, 2007, 05:20

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Originally Posted by cyberhippie

1500 quid comes out at roughly 650 Rupees a day, which is more than enough to live an ok life in India which includes travel, decent food, the odd beer or two and staying in budget accommodation. Mrs cyberhippie and I usually live on about 800 a day!!

I will rent for the 6 months. I have seen properties for 3000/9000Rupees a month. Furnished/Partly furnished too. So my living costs would just be utilities etc etc. So maybe less would be sufficient?

cyberhippie · May 9th, 2007, 05:24

Yep take away travel and costs come down considerably. Once you've got a kitchen set up you can buy a lot of food for 500 rupees.
Even that cold beer comes down to 12 Rupees a bottle if you've got a fridge!!

Though Goa's local restaurants are hard to beat price wise, even IF you cook for yourself!

richie4india · May 9th, 2007, 05:26

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Originally Posted by cyberhippie

Choose your charity well, SOOoo many of them now ask you to pay for the privilege of working for them!

I have a charity in mind. I have seen some of them wanting £1900 for 4weeks! LOL some are free and British registered and you pay your way with housing etc, but there is no way you will spend £1900 in four weeks.

£1900 is sufficient for half a year. More if you go other parts of India.

Well four weeks is too short £1900 is mad. Especially when I know I want to do 6 months and can spend that myself over that period. I will probably have a better time too!

richie4india · May 9th, 2007, 05:31

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Originally Posted by cyberhippie

Yep take away travel and costs come down considerably. Once you've got a kitchen set up you can buy a lot of food for 500 rupees.
Even that cold beer comes down to 12 Rupees a bottle if you've got a fridge!!

Though Goa's local restaurants are hard to beat price wise, even IF you cook for yourself!

I will rent an apartment....close to where I will be based.

The charities generally say take a bus...rather than a taxi as it is cheaper and you get in with the crowds too. Well after seeing the buses out there that will be a fun ride!

cyberhippie · May 9th, 2007, 05:39

Have fun then.
Goa's my second home, so I know you must be excited at the prospect of 6 months there!!

richie4india · May 9th, 2007, 05:44

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Originally Posted by cyberhippie

Have fun then.
Goa's my second home, so I know you must be excited at the prospect of 6 months there!!

Oh I am but I am also excited at seeing those kids faces light up when you help them and play with them after school etc!

I'm also excited at the prospect of 6 months in sun and warmth, great food and a lively atmosphere!

The sound of the tuk tuks horns tooting every second is all so Goan and Indian!!

Nick-H · May 9th, 2007, 14:51

Richie, Thanks for clearing up that you are not trying to come and live permanently or to buy property here.

So, once again, excise the number one-hundred-and-eighty-two from your thinking: if comes from the regulations concerning the purchase of land by foreigners and is nothing to do with the issue of a residents permit. There are visa types that require you to register within 14 days, as you would discover if you examined the source link I gave you.

Whilst I am fond of the we-are-not-professionals-or-experts disclaimer, I have been based in India for the past two years and have been living here without leaving the country for the past eleven months. No... I am not a pro, but I have a clue, at least, and have been trying to help.

But you are a tough man to un-confuse! I think I'll leave you to it at this point.

dzibead · May 9th, 2007, 15:15

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Originally Posted by Nick-H

So, once again, excise the number one-hundred-and-eighty-two from your thinking: if comes from the regulations concerning the purchase of land by foreigners and is nothing to do with the issue of a residents permit.

And ultimately, the 182-day issue has to do with fiscal policy regarding where (i.e., in which country) a person pays income tax. Yes, Richie, listen to your Uncle Nick and your Uncle cyberhippie, and just wipe that concern about "residency" from your mind. You simply won't have the visa/immigration status to ever be concerned with this, unless you are actually offered paid employment in India at some point and get an employment visa that allows you to stay long-term, or unless you qualify to obtain some other category of long-term visa, which sounds unlikely. And as cyberhippie noted, back to back tourist visas may also be tightening up. The website for the Indian High Commission in Kathmandu already contains a warning that repeated back to back applications for tourist visas (which used to be a sort of back door way for people to live in India long-term without actually qualifying to do so) will no longer be entertained!

richie4india · May 10th, 2007, 01:24

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Originally Posted by Nick-H

Richie, Thanks for clearing up that you are not trying to come and live permanently or to buy property here.

So, once again, excise the number one-hundred-and-eighty-two from your thinking: if comes from the regulations concerning the purchase of land by foreigners and is nothing to do with the issue of a residents permit. There are visa types that require you to register within 14 days, as you would discover if you examined the source link I gave you.

Whilst I am fond of the we-are-not-professionals-or-experts disclaimer, I have been based in India for the past two years and have been living here without leaving the country for the past eleven months. No... I am not a pro, but I have a clue, at least, and have been trying to help.

But you are a tough man to un-confuse! I think I'll leave you to it at this point.

This is it though I am not condfused...you have not understood? Tell me if I want residency in India how do I get it legally?

Forget the fact I want to do volunteer work....I want to know how I get residency? That is by staying in India for a fixed period of time. Like most countries you are required to remain for fixed period of time!

For instance in six months I may find a job and decide to stay and at a certain point I will be entitled to residency.

richie4india · May 10th, 2007, 01:28

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Originally Posted by dzibead

And ultimately, the 182-day issue has to do with fiscal policy regarding where (i.e., in which country) a person pays income tax. Yes, Richie, listen to your Uncle Nick and your Uncle cyberhippie, and just wipe that concern about "residency" from your mind. You simply won't have the visa/immigration status to ever be concerned with this, unless you are actually offered paid employment in India at some point and get an employment visa that allows you to stay long-term, or unless you qualify to obtain some other category of long-term visa, which sounds unlikely. And as cyberhippie noted, back to back tourist visas may also be tightening up. The website for the Indian High Commission in Kathmandu already contains a warning that repeated back to back applications for tourist visas (which used to be a sort of back door way for people to live in India long-term without actually qualifying to do so) will no longer be entertained!

I know I know....please understand I am asking this to understand on a by the by basis!

I know it has nothing to do with me being in India for the volunteer work. A seperate visa where by I leave India after 180days or before but no later.

I am interested in undestanding in the way in which the 182 days are to be met...IF this was my case.

I am sorry for not being clear enough. I know the difference between the Visa and telling me to ''wipe it clean'' is not needed as I am not confused by it. I just wanted to know if the back to back Visa would satisfy the 182 days! That is IF I wanted to become a resident without getting employment etc etc.

I have heard of people doing this and so far got away with it. They have also managed to buy property(which when discovered will possibly be confiscated.)

I was not sure if the 182 days was to be consecutive with NO departure from India until 182 have exceeded on the relevant Visa.

Anyway after 6 months in India it is most likely I will go somewhere else like Sri Lanka or Thailand for a further 6 months to do voluteer work.

I'm more worried about people understanding what I actually meant lol

GoanCanuck · May 10th, 2007, 02:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by richie4india

I just wanted to know if the back to back Visa would satisfy the 182 days! That is IF I wanted to become a resident without getting employment etc etc.

Until 2005, it was possible to use this route to satisfy the 182 days requirement to be eligible for a residents permit.

Since then however there has been a change in policy and even if you were to stay 300 days in a year in India on a tourist visa you would still be ineligible for a residents permit.

The government has decided that a person on a tourist visa can never be eligible for residency because he is in India for a limited period of time which is 6 months maximum.

What this basically means is that every time your 6 months visa lapses the number of days that you spent in India on that particular visa becomes zero.

When you get a new tourist visa even if it is just one day after the previous visa expired you start from zero all over again. As you can see you will never ever complete 182 days on a tourist visa to satisy the regualtions.

GoanCanuck · May 10th, 2007, 02:29

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Originally Posted by richie4india

Tell me if I want residency in India how do I get it legally?

Get married to a woman who is an Indian citizen. To stay indefinitely in India legally this is the only option.

richie4india · May 10th, 2007, 02:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoanCanuck

Until 2005, it was possible to use this route to satisfy the 182 days requirement to be eligible for a residents permit.

Since then however there has been a change in policy and even if you were to stay 300 days in a year in India on a tourist visa you would still be ineligible for a residents permit.

The government has decided that a person on a tourist visa can never be eligible for residency because he is in India for a limited period of time which is 6 months maximum.

What this basically means is that every time your 6 months visa lapses the number of days that you spent in India on that particular visa becomes zero.

When you get a new tourist visa even if it is just one day after the previous visa expired you start from zero all over again. As you can see you will never ever complete 182 days on a tourist visa to satisy the regualtions.

Yeah, basically this is what I wanted to know...especially with the Government changing it so much. I expect further changes to upset tourists.

richie4india · May 10th, 2007, 02:35

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Originally Posted by GoanCanuck

Get married to a woman who is an Indian citizen. To stay indefinitely in India legally this is the only option.

That is a good idea

Although she will probably want to come here

I wont allow it hehe

Nick-H · May 10th, 2007, 09:29

I don't know if you are confused... but I think that you are. It appears to me that you have not understood the different ways in which the word 'resident' can be used and applied in India.

Right at the beginning we have tried to explain to you that FEMA residence is not the same as 'residents' permit' is not the same as resident for tax purposes.

When asked for clarification you said you had no intention of moving to live in India. Now you are talking about qualifications for buying property and, in another thread, you are talking about jobs in India.

And everytime we point out that you haven't even got your questions straight, you come back and tell us that you are not confused but...

Before going any further on the FEMA, property and residence in that context thing, go and read those Goa property threads because I don't think any of us are going to repeat ourselves over again. Again.

May 9th, 2007, 14:51	#37
Nick-H Loud-mouthed, Noisy Bird Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 24,601	Richie, Thanks for clearing up that you are not trying to come and live permanently or to buy property here. So, once again, excise the number one-hundred-and-eighty-two from your thinking: if comes from the regulations concerning the purchase of land by foreigners and is nothing to do with the issue of a residents permit. There are visa types that require you to register within 14 days, as you would discover if you examined the source link I gave you. Whilst I am fond of the we-are-not-professionals-or-experts disclaimer, I have been based in India for the past two years and have been living here without leaving the country for the past eleven months. No... I am not a pro, but I have a clue, at least, and have been trying to help. But you are a tough man to un-confuse! I think I'll leave you to it at this point. __________________ . Just one member of the IndiaMike Mod Team

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May 9th, 2007, 05:24	#32
cyberhippie Account Closed by User's Request Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: the Netherlands Posts: 6,014	Yep take away travel and costs come down considerably. Once you've got a kitchen set up you can buy a lot of food for 500 rupees. Even that cold beer comes down to 12 Rupees a bottle if you've got a fridge!! Though Goa's local restaurants are hard to beat price wise, even IF you cook for yourself!

May 9th, 2007, 05:39	#35
cyberhippie Account Closed by User's Request Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: the Netherlands Posts: 6,014	Have fun then. Goa's my second home, so I know you must be excited at the prospect of 6 months there!!

May 10th, 2007, 09:29	#45
Nick-H Loud-mouthed, Noisy Bird Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 24,601	I don't know if you are confused... but I think that you are. It appears to me that you have not understood the different ways in which the word 'resident' can be used and applied in India. Right at the beginning we have tried to explain to you that FEMA residence is not the same as 'residents' permit' is not the same as resident for tax purposes. When asked for clarification you said you had no intention of moving to live in India. Now you are talking about qualifications for buying property and, in another thread, you are talking about jobs in India. And everytime we point out that you haven't even got your questions straight, you come back and tell us that you are not confused but... Before going any further on the FEMA, property and residence in that context thing, go and read those Goa property threads because I don't think any of us are going to repeat ourselves over again. Again.

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