Is birth certificate for husband really mandatory

Quetzal

Brishti thank you for the detailed answer. He has got the ration card which as I understand it has got no age on it and is used as proof of residence. The second document the voter card we were trying to get for to month which seemed to be impossible before and after the Indian elections because it is the same office and also the lawyer we send promised it but was not really motivated enough to do the job.
This voter card is normally made on the basis of the ration card hich has no age on it so how is this solved if you do not bring a second document?
The lawyer suggested a school certificate which have to be kept in India for 100 years but his school does not exist any more.
which office is keeping the certificates then?
I think the specail marriage law only requests that you are 21 and not that your age is proven by a birth certificate.

Quetzal

answer to Nick and Brishti. My husband has not been in varansi for 10 years staying in a Rishikesh ashram before he had problems with the court some 20 years ago and does not like dealing with it to much but he has already spoken to the officer on the telephone and we will probably go there together tomorrow.
Nick you just had good luck that your wife sorted out everything for you.

nycank

Maybe I am clueless about some of the details - Did he, or does he have an indian passport ?

If he was born in a hospital, there would be a record; post 1950 (declaration of the republic) there were many places where a person's date-of-birth was noted. Try to collect some of those records.

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Quetzal

No he was born at home and does not have the passport which obviously already has the date of birth on it. Only a ration card without age proof.

brishti

hey quetzel... am glad you're online now
true.
the 'old' ration cards did not have the DOB [date of birth] on them.
the new ones have it.
he has to renew that card - simple procedure - no hassles and/or legal advice necessary.
your husband has to go to the 'food corporation' 'ration office' or whatever it is known as in your region.
produce the old ration card and ask for a form to renew the same.
the form will have a column for DOB [no proof for the same is required]
a computerized photograph of his will be taken.
thats it.
the ration card gets renewed.
ideally - the ration card should be renewed from the region it was issued.
but even if you dont - i think, voters ID and ration cards are valid and renewable across regions...
except proof of residence maybe required if in another region. [you have to check up on that]

the only constraint is... the time taken to issue the new card.

true - voters ID is only issued before any assembly / municipal yadayada elections. that too has a DOB on it
as does a driving license

most of the 'documentation' is in the process of being streamlined nowadays.
post 26/11 a whole lotta ID requirements have been made mandatory and imperative.
yes - it is inconvenient when one does not have the necessary documents - as some who're past a 'certain' age never required it.
but - there are 'legal' ways of obtaining them documents... and generally the officer behind the desk tells you them options.

as for them 'bribes' 'corruption' etc. it is not mandatory.
personally, i resent the implication that, thats the only way stuff works here.
it is not so.

am trying to find out the other 'sources' of proving his DOB.
need a lil time.
no matter how uncomfortable he is - he has to get off his butt and do the leg work himself.
folks will question / put barriers / complicate issues if they see you [a foreigner] doing the 'local' leg work.
besides, being a 'senior' has them advantages in my land - sometimes they get priority processing papers!


good luck.
go renew that ration card - no short cuts ma'am



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Nick-H

I am lucky that I married a very capable woman who is a good manager, educated, and good at dealing with people, yes.

On the other hand... I used to be so independently and self-reliant, but have fallen into lazier ways .

Still, even if I had married an illiterate woman, she would still have the advantage over me with the local language and customs, especially as I am an linguistic duffer.

I think that there is a general misconception that marrying a foreigner somehow makes things very different. Unfortunately, that misconception can occur in officials too sometimes! The fact is that it doesn't really affect much at all, from the Indian standpoint. There may be differences for the foreign national in their own country; for Brits there is no special requirement, a marriage is a marriage is a marriage, but I know that other European countries may make it a little harder.

brishti

back !!! have been rummaging through the net - with a couple of verifications by folks around

1st option - birth certificate [for you N/A]
2nd option - DOB from the school last attended by the applicant or any other recognized educational institution [for you N/A]
3rd / 4th option - ration card / voter's id card - renew ration card
5th option - sworn affidavit
6th option - obtain birth certificate [tad convoluted]

5th option:
illiterate or semi-illiterate - thats the catch here.
with document options continuously changing and updating - methinks you should go for this option - see if it works... [should]
fortunately / unfortunately - you would require a lawyer for this.
check this for specimen of the affidavit

my request to you quetzel is this...
your husband MUST do all this legwork himself.
it is a little suspect and bizarre when a 'white' woman makes them queries about her indian husband.
'where is the man' would be how most [even me] would naturally think.
'if he's not here - hmm... fishy' would be the natural flow of thought from the above... and i wouldnt blame them.


oh well...
here's wishing you all the very best




:brishti

smakkar

Brishti... You are a hard worker

Keep up the good work..!!

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brishti

tsk tsk
them posts were pontifications ad nauseyum yum's.
in my natibh land - 4-hour workdays are our birthright.



wish quetzal would get back at some point... really keen to know how all turned out.
oh well... best wishes to her and her's.


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hikkaduwa

Agree with Brishti's suggestions... try the affidavit. When we got married, the officer said she did not agree with our address proof and that an affidavit was needed. This was told to me (foreigner) because at that time my now husband was in a wheelchair so couldn't come to the office.

In total I went 4 or 5 times myself to find out what papers were needed and everytime the officer found something to complain about. Until my husband got so fed up with it that he came with me to the office (in his wheelchair...) and suddenly it was "no, no madam misunderstood, there is no problem" and we got our registration done immediately. Well, the first bit. You have to come back after 30 days for the real thing as you know.

So: get ur husband to go there! It will really help.

Quetzal

Hey brishti thank you for all the detailed information because the date of birth problem will be the same also just for getting a passport issued. I agree we should make a new ration card which he already tried with minor problems because he has changed his name but he could give his old name as alias.
The laywyer suggested an affidavit (declaration where he confirms his age) which will only quote the age not the date of birth and because this case is a little bit dodgy we will need additional affidavits made by the witnesses also ( I think normal case is that the witnesses only sign the notice form).
Now it turns out that his mother went to the hospital (he alsways believed that he was born in the house)) which is stilL existing and is very cloce in the area. He was born after 1950 so is it worse trying there?

Quetzal

Answer to hikkaduwa also. The second time I went to the court the officer was actually very helpful and gave me a detailed list of all the necessary papers and a lawbook copy of all the forms we also tried to to call my husband on the phone which unluckily was not working that time.
I know it is difficult to go on your own but I managed to get things started at least. I probably end up beeing an expert on Indian bureaucrazy and I am proud that I manage to find my way in the huge Varanasi court complex without getting lost.

smakkar

That's great... but make sure you make good use of this knowledge and help people here on IM

Haylo

Yes.

See nycank's post #18 which gave that advice earlier on this thread.

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nycank

Normally when you change a name, you get a court affadavit, and also advertise in local newspaper. I remember seeing these notices in the classified section of TOI or some newspaper. He must have those papers atleast ? [My aquavit soaked brain is confused today...]

Senora, I suggest you sit down with your spouse, and get as much details out of him and cross-reference it with the documents. Ask for his correct date of birth, and ask the hospital to make a birth certificate if possible.

You do not want a situation where his statements and yours conflict and no paperwork to back it up. Indian babucrats are masters of paper-pushing, file missing games, so be careful.