How soon can I apply for the 'No record of marriage' form?

stepmyrjov · Sep 24th, 2009, 14:23

Skydancer,

I'm assuming you are moving to India (at least long enough to get married here). What sort of marriage will you be having? A Hindu one, or a registrar marriage? Because with both of those different restrictions come into play. =]

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Originally Posted by Shivani Skydancer

Hi Stepmyrjov!
I'm confused now, because you say that you needed a copy of a 'no objection certificate' even though you also had divorce papers! I thought the divorce certificate in itself would suffice. Could you please clarify that?

Yes...the divorce papers are clarification enough that you are unmarried, which the foreigner would need to show.

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I would prefer not to waste $90 on this certificate of no impediment if it is not needed!! I was hoping my divorce certificate would be enough.

I didn't pay anything for my No-Objection-Certificate. I obtained it from the US Embassy in Delhi in less than 10 minutes. But, I am not sure how the Australian Embassy does it.

Hope that helps!

- Stephanie

Shivani Skydancer · Sep 24th, 2009, 19:14

Thanks for your helpful info Stephanie!

Hope all is going well in your marriage :-)

How do the restrictions differ between a hindu and a registry marriage?

We are just getting a registry marriage. I will try to apply for an x-visa immediately afterwards. Good to know that the certificate of no impediment won't be needed. The Aussie High Commission in Delhi charges $90!

stepmyrjov · Sep 24th, 2009, 19:22

Hindu ceremony is only for those who are Hindu (or those who convert as far as I know)...and has no waiting period.

While...the registration marriage has a 30-day waiting period. You go and fill out the same paper like 5 times, and wait for 30 days...and then get married

curtdfw · Sep 24th, 2009, 19:51

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Originally Posted by Shivani Skydancer

Hi Stepmyrjov!
I'm confused now, because you say that you needed a copy of a 'no objection certificate' even though you also had divorce papers! I thought the divorce certificate in itself would suffice. Could you please clarify that?

I would prefer not to waste $90 on this certificate of no impediment if it is not needed!! I was hoping my divorce certificate would be enough.

I supplied both the 'no objection certificate' and the 'divorce decree' for my 2007 marriage in Delhi, and I believe both were required. But like many things in India officialdom, the person sitting at the desk can make a big difference in what's required.

Aishah · Sep 24th, 2009, 19:59

Shivani - slightly off-topic - it doesn't surprise me the amount you have to pay for the Certificate from Aus High Commission. I had to get a replacement licence done a few years ago, and for the Consul to sign and verify my four pages of RTA application it cost 20 Aus. dollars per page, and took him all of five minutes.

Maybe it would be a good idea to go to the Registry Office, wherever it is, and ask what papers are required. You may not need this Certificate if you have your divorce papers, and in India rules for Offices seem to vary at times! (This is the maddening thing about doing registrations here).

santos_g15 · Sep 24th, 2009, 20:05

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Originally Posted by Jayana

Hi, I'm an Australian citizen and my fiance is an Indian citizen. We want to marry in India later this year. I have already found answers to most of my questions on this website but I have two questions I still need help with.

Firstly, I'd like to know how soon before the marriage I can apply for the 'No record of marriage' form. I was hoping I could apply for it now while I'm still In Australia even though our marriage may not take place till 3 or 4 months later. I realise some countries may have strict laws about this and I may have to wait till it's closer to our marriage date such as 1 month before.

Secondly, this may sound like a crazy question but is New Delhi the only place in India where we can marry if we want to be married in a registry office? We will be marrying under the Special Marriage Act since I'm a Christian and my partner is a Hindu. I was hoping we could marry in a registry office in Kerala.

I look forward to hearing from anyone who can help me with these two questions.

Register offices are all over india. you can find one in kerala.

Shivani Skydancer · Sep 24th, 2009, 20:16

Hi Aishah and Dr Pepper

Thanks for your help.

Aishah, that sounds like a good idea. I was also starting to think in that direction. I'll get my fiance to visit his local registy office before my arrival in India, and find out which documents are required.

Hopefully, the services of a lawyer won't be needed. Best to keep things simple :-)

Nick-H · Sep 24th, 2009, 20:23

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Originally Posted by Jayana

is New Delhi the only place in India where we can marry if we want to be married in a registry office?

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Originally Posted by santos_g15

Register offices are all over india. you can find one in kerala

Indeed! They do far more than weddings; they do all property registration stuff, stuff and more stuff (and they don't stop doing it for your wedding; don't expect any romance or privacy, unless you make a private arrangement with the registrar to attend your ceremony).

You should marry at the register office for the district in which your Indian fiance has been resident for 30 days.

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Originally Posted by Shivani Skydancer

Hopefully, the services of a lawyer won't be needed.

Lawyers just make the process expensive. It is simple, and you do not need one.

Shivani Skydancer · Sep 24th, 2009, 20:30

Thanks Nick! It helps to know in advance that at the registry it won't be a memorable romantic ceremony! At least we won't feel let down..

I guess we will have to make up for it by an extra special romantic little reception dinner. All candle lit and flowers, and sentimental songs... :-)

curtdfw · Sep 24th, 2009, 20:34

If the local registrar's office is anything like Delhi's Saket facility, bring water, snacks and a good book to pass the time. And don't dress up excessively...

Nick-H · Sep 24th, 2009, 20:49

Here is my analogy: imagine being married in a cattle auction by an auctioneer who does not stop selling cattle to marry you.

I didn't feel married: I felt shell-shocked! Luckily we did our own thing in the evening.

livinhimalayas · Sep 24th, 2009, 21:34

Great analogy Nick

Nick-H · Sep 24th, 2009, 22:47

She didn't even look at us; she just counted off the things we had to say three times on her fingers while seeing to other people's stuff.

On the positive side, she was 100% straight, and was not interested in bribes or tips. It is nice to meet government people like that; I wish we could have registered our house purchase there!

Shivani Skydancer · Sep 25th, 2009, 06:04

I wonder if it is just this particular lady registrar...hmmm. Maybe she's unhappily married herself, or was overloaded with work on that day? Seems a bit unusual, even for an official, to carry on multi tasking during such a significant occasion.

Nick, how would I know if a bribe is required? Would they ask directly and would they mention the amount they are expecting? Should I offer one even if they don't ask? I've never been asked for a bribe, so imagine it would be extremely embarrassing and awkward.

curtdfw · Sep 25th, 2009, 06:39

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Originally Posted by Nick-H

She didn't even look at us; she just counted off the things we had to say three times on her fingers while seeing to other people's stuff.

On the positive side, she was 100% straight, and was not interested in bribes or tips. It is nice to meet government people like that; I wish we could have registered our house purchase there!

This pretty much mirrors the registrar we had in Saket -- two other guys shuffling paper on one side of his desk while his peon handed across our paperwork for his review. He was pretty much head down, barking orders, taking phone calls, and eventually reading some stuff that we had to repeat to solemnize (though the atmosphere was anything but) the event. I have one up on Nick as our registrar had an actual office...

The only strange moment was when my now mother-in-law handed him an invitation for the reception that evening -- it was in an envelope and he got this shocked look on his face; I think he thought it was a bribe.

Sep 24th, 2009, 19:59	#35
Aishah She-who-must-be-obeyed! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Jaisalmer Posts: 7,629	Shivani - slightly off-topic - it doesn't surprise me the amount you have to pay for the Certificate from Aus High Commission. I had to get a replacement licence done a few years ago, and for the Consul to sign and verify my four pages of RTA application it cost 20 Aus. dollars per page, and took him all of five minutes. Maybe it would be a good idea to go to the Registry Office, wherever it is, and ask what papers are required. You may not need this Certificate if you have your divorce papers, and in India rules for Offices seem to vary at times! (This is the maddening thing about doing registrations here). __________________ "Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forwards."

Sep 24th, 2009, 20:34	#40
curtdfw PIO Club Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: dallas, tx Posts: 463	If the local registrar's office is anything like Delhi's Saket facility, bring water, snacks and a good book to pass the time. And don't dress up excessively... Last edited by curtdfw : Sep 25th, 2009 at 06:31.

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livinhimalayas still learning Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: The Abode of Snow Posts: 3,342	Great analogy Nick __________________ He that would live in peace and at ease must not speak all he knows or all he sees. - Benjamin Franklin

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Sep 24th, 2009, 19:14	#32
Shivani Skydancer ॐ Ψ ॐ Ψ ॐ Join Date: May 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 240	Thanks for your helpful info Stephanie! Hope all is going well in your marriage :-) How do the restrictions differ between a hindu and a registry marriage? We are just getting a registry marriage. I will try to apply for an x-visa immediately afterwards. Good to know that the certificate of no impediment won't be needed. The Aussie High Commission in Delhi charges $90!

Sep 24th, 2009, 19:22	#33
stepmyrjov Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Kolkata, India Posts: 95	Hindu ceremony is only for those who are Hindu (or those who convert as far as I know)...and has no waiting period. While...the registration marriage has a 30-day waiting period. You go and fill out the same paper like 5 times, and wait for 30 days...and then get married

Sep 24th, 2009, 20:16	#37
Shivani Skydancer ॐ Ψ ॐ Ψ ॐ Join Date: May 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 240	Hi Aishah and Dr Pepper Thanks for your help. Aishah, that sounds like a good idea. I was also starting to think in that direction. I'll get my fiance to visit his local registy office before my arrival in India, and find out which documents are required. Hopefully, the services of a lawyer won't be needed. Best to keep things simple :-)

Sep 24th, 2009, 20:30	#39
Shivani Skydancer ॐ Ψ ॐ Ψ ॐ Join Date: May 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 240	Thanks Nick! It helps to know in advance that at the registry it won't be a memorable romantic ceremony! At least we won't feel let down.. I guess we will have to make up for it by an extra special romantic little reception dinner. All candle lit and flowers, and sentimental songs... :-)

Sep 24th, 2009, 20:49	#41
Nick-H This is just a cameo appearance Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 36,225	Here is my analogy: imagine being married in a cattle auction by an auctioneer who does not stop selling cattle to marry you. I didn't feel married: I felt shell-shocked! Luckily we did our own thing in the evening.

Sep 24th, 2009, 22:47	#43
Nick-H This is just a cameo appearance Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 36,225	She didn't even look at us; she just counted off the things we had to say three times on her fingers while seeing to other people's stuff. On the positive side, she was 100% straight, and was not interested in bribes or tips. It is nice to meet government people like that; I wish we could have registered our house purchase there!

Sep 25th, 2009, 06:04	#44
Shivani Skydancer ॐ Ψ ॐ Ψ ॐ Join Date: May 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 240	I wonder if it is just this particular lady registrar...hmmm. Maybe she's unhappily married herself, or was overloaded with work on that day? Seems a bit unusual, even for an official, to carry on multi tasking during such a significant occasion. Nick, how would I know if a bribe is required? Would they ask directly and would they mention the amount they are expecting? Should I offer one even if they don't ask? I've never been asked for a bribe, so imagine it would be extremely embarrassing and awkward.