Is CABBAGE Really Harmful Now

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#16 Jul 11th, 2009, 14:38
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Indizen:

That's a really vague allegation, painting all Indian doctors with the same brush.

Same brush it may be, but, we use different colors for each doctor

All this hog-wash about cabbage and worms. Give me a break.

In many South East countries people actually eat worms, I guess it depends on the kind, these people know - it is not as if the skin of the worms have a sign that says "Poison" or "Eat me".

As long the vegetables are properly cleaned, washed in several changes of water after thorough visual inspection of each and every leaf ( I dutifully do it, and believe me the worms do have color very similar to the leaves - the key is to see a little wiggle here and a little wiggle there of some black spot which would be the end of the bloody worm!

Toss the leaves in some salted boiling water - get it to a roaring boil for 1 minute and dump it into cold water and strain - voila -cabbage is de-wormed. Now if you want to collect the supernatant (now that's a chemistry word for the water left after boiling) you add some noodles & can make "wormy noodle soup" - delicious - just add some soy sauce, oyster flavour sauce and you are good to go crawling.

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But, hey!

If even a lizard walking accross the kitchen ceiling over my food can make me ill, surely a worm walking on my leaf must be at least, err, fatal?
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? Can't say I read through all of the posts above.

Eat cabbages all the time.

Could be some local Indian thing; seems otherwise unlikely to me.

Never heard of it till now.

But then it is just possible I'm more wacky than I'd like to be.
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Originally Posted by machadinha View Post ? Can't say I read through all of the posts above.

Eat cabbages all the time.

Could be some local Indian thing; seems otherwise unlikely to me.

Never heard of it till now.

But then it is just possible I'm more wacky than I'd like to be.
Neurocysticercosis is not just a local Indian thing. The infection was long thought of as being transmitted in meat, all over the world. Earlier it was actually thought to be rare in India till they discovered it was also passed on through improperly cleaned or cooked vegetables - cabbage only because of the structure of its leaves : more likely to hide the larvae.
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Originally Posted by Indizen View Post Neurocysticercosis is not just a local Indian thing. The infection was long thought of as being transmitted in meat, all over the world. Earlier it was actually thought to be rare in India till they discovered it was also passed on through improperly cleaned or cooked vegetables - cabbage only because of the structure of its leaves : more likely to hide the larvae.

Yes by avoiding pork, perhaps misconception, we thought we were safe from this. but now safe vegetables are transmitting neurocysticerosis is really scary situation.

and is cooking not killing worms ,larve, viruses.
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Originally Posted by Indizen View Post .... till they discovered it was also passed on through improperly cleaned or cooked vegetables - cabbage only because of the structure of its leaves : more likely to hide the larvae.
Improperly cooked: here's the problem. We were actually talking about properly cooked cabbage. And the preparation methods for vegetables in India leave hardly anything improperly cooked.(compared to China, for example).
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This thread got my attention as I grow a lot of cabbage in my garden. While I dislike worms in cabbage, have never considered them dangerous to humans. My technique for growing worm free cabbage is to cover the plants with a fine net that keeps out the white butter flies so they can't lay their eggs on the leaves.

Neurocysticercosis is something else entirely. It's caused by the cysts of the tapeworm... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cysticercosis .... http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...?artid=1176337
Neurocysticercosis is acquired through consumption of food contaminated with feces of a T. solium tapeworm carrier (i.e., through fecal–oral contract)... Humans and pigs are the carriers so the problem may result from using night soil or pig manure as fertilizer on the cabbages. Well cooked cabbage should be OK, but raw cabbage could be unsafe if contaminated.

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Indizen, Thats my experience with not one but dozens of doctors. I know for a fact at least half a dozen doctors who advice that diabetics should not eat things that grow below earth (carrots etc.) and many such silly advicces
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So, some people's "worms" could be the larvae of a butterfly, whilst others may be talking about the possible effect of tapeworm cysts on the brain?

Doesn't seem very scientific to me.
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Originally Posted by cityMONK View Post Doctors say that even cooking at high temperatures does not kill this worm.
Whatever this "worm" is, whether it is a caterpillar, an earthworm, or tapeworm eggs, cooking at high temperatures is definitely going to kill it. Period. Who are these doctors?

I say this with certainty as all life forms I've ever heard of (at least those which live exist in the same conditions as humans) can be destroyed by high temperatures. I cannot possibly imagine a virus or a prion particle being referred to as a "worm".
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Originally Posted by wat View Post Indian doctors are notorious for giving wrong dietary advice( meaning one not backed by a rigorous scientific studies). If it is really bad, ask your doctor to give a reference of a refereed medical journal. Quite a few Indian doctors even in the most reputed hospital tend to behave like quacks when giving dietary advice. It is also because many Indians tend to ask, "What not to eat doctor" for everything, so many of the doctors just say something.
Totally agree with you. Honestly speaking indian doctors aren't too much into food and nutrition and all of that. I have never consulted a allopathic doctor for my diet. Ayurvedic or traditional medicine doctors are much better in this regard.
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This "worm" thing in cabbage and cauliflower is getting mysterious... Actually, one of my far cousin was admitted to hospital (in bangalore) because of severe head ache and the doctor said she had worms in her brain caused due to cauliflower. Though she is discharged now, she is still under medication. I could not believe this and started googling and thats how I found this thread.

I am not able to believe this because, in school we were taught that the acidic solution in the stomach kills everything except virus and bacteria. So even if we consume the worm along with cabbage or cauliflower due to lack of hygiene, the worm wont be alive once it enters stomach... how can it reach the blood stream and enter brain
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Does it kill everything? It doesn't kill tapeworm, etc.
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Originally Posted by cinch View Post This "worm" thing in cabbage and cauliflower is getting mysterious... Actually, one of my far cousin was admitted to hospital (in bangalore) because of severe head ache and the doctor said she had worms in her brain caused due to cauliflower. Though she is discharged now, she is still under medication. I could not believe this and started googling and thats how I found this thread.

I am not able to believe this because, in school we were taught that the acidic solution in the stomach kills everything except virus and bacteria. So even if we consume the worm along with cabbage or cauliflower due to lack of hygiene, the worm wont be alive once it enters stomach... how can it reach the blood stream and enter brain
I myself was confused when I came to know of such two cases and reason given by doctors. Both the persons are pure vegetarians.
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huh !! But what about the report I read the other say, it said the cabbage is more potent than Viagra .
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