RLWL 1 - What does this mean?

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Originally Posted by vsp27759 View Post ##Please look at this:
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16529 UDYAN EXPRESS 30-6-2011 MUMBAI CST BANGALORE CY JN GENERAL
S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - SL Class -3A
1 30- 6-2011 AVAILABLE 274 AVAILABLE 38
2 1- 7-2011 AVAILABLE 264 RAC2/RAC 2
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*16529 UDYAN EXPRESS 30-6-2011 MUMBAI CST DHARMAVARAM JN GENERAL
S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - SL Class -3A
1 30- 6-2011 AVAILABLE 92 AVAILABLE 9
2 1- 7-2011 AVAILABLE 92 WL 1/WL 1
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16529 UDYAN EXPRESS 30-6-2011 LONAVALA DHARMAVARAM JN GENERAL
S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - SL Class -3A
1 30- 6-2011 AVAILABLE 92 AVAILABLE 9
2 1- 7-2011 AVAILABLE 92 WL 1/WL 1
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*16529 UDYAN EXPRESS 30-6-2011 PUNE JN BANGALORE CY JN GENERAL
S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - SL Class -3A
1 30- 6-2011 AVAILABLE 128 AVAILABLE 9
2 1- 7-2011 AVAILABLE 125 AVAILABLE 2
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##Out of the above,

CSTM-SBC is GENERAL QUOTA

CSTM-DMM & LNL-DMM is POOLED QUOTA

PUNE-SBC is REMOTE LOCATION QUOTA.

##Now, as you are aware, the passenger is placed in Remote Location Waiting List, when the earmarked quota, and also the RAC gets exhausted.

##But, when you check the RLWL PNR, the information is displayed as under:
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Passenger Current Status Enquiry
You Queried For : PNR Number : 432-7724479(E - TICKET)
Journey Details
Train Number Train Name Boarding Date
(DD-MM-YYYY) From To Reserved Upto Boarding Point Class
*12217 SAMPARK KRANTHI 30- 5-2011 NZM CDG CDG NZM SL
NOTE: - Train renumbered w.e.f. 20/12/2010 for all type of trains.
S. No. Booking Status
(Coach No , Berth No., Quota) Current Status
(Coach No , Berth No.)
Passenger 1 W/L 11,RLGN W/L 11
Charting Status CHART NOT PREPARED
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##I hope I need not tell you that the words "RL" are not prefixed to "WL" in the above ticket.

##Hence, I would like to once again reiterate that RLGN is only a part of RLWL.

##I would also request you to get hold of a RLWL Ticket which is purchased in the PRS Counter (**not E-Ticket, please), and post the screenshot of the same for the benefit of our Members.
Sir,
I understand your point of combining RLGN with RLWL. However the basic question would be, when both are almost the same (with some technical differences), why keep two different names?
I have seen many trains where you would have RLGN and RLWL; what i mean to say is, for the same journey stretch I have never seen both RLGN and RLWL issued together at different times.
There is a valid point when you (I have heard this from some other people too), that when the earmarked quota exhausts (along with RAC), it goes into RLGN, and again when RLGN exhausts too (that is the max WL permissible against the allotted share from the originating station + its own quota), it moves to RLWL.
However as my understanding goes, when the Remote station does not have a share from the originating station, there happens to be no RAC, and hence it directly goes to RLWL.
I would try to find out some example of PNR's, and post the link here or PM to you.
The ultimate point which I want to find out is, when would one know that the WL would be in RLGN or RLWL.

Simply saying that PUNE has a RL Quota and then guiding someone the WL to be RLGN or RLWL makes the issue more complex. There has to be a benchmark to distinguish between both of them.

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1) CSTM-SBC can be PQ also.
2) I think CSTM-DMM shud be RSWL and DMM-SBC PQWL
3) Any comments on point no. 2?
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Originally Posted by dipyamanbasu View Post Sir,
I understand your point of combining RLGN with RLWL. However the basic question would be, when both are almost the same (with some technical differences), why keep two different names?
I have seen many trains where you would have RLGN and RLWL; what i mean to say is, for the same journey stretch I have never seen both RLGN and RLWL issued together at different times.
##Good question. First of all please note that there is no quota called RLGN.

##These words RLGN can be seen ONLY when you check the PNR Status of a RLWL Ticket. I have already given you given the example in my previous post.

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Originally Posted by dipyamanbasu View Post 1) CSTM-SBC can be PQ also.
2)I think CSTM-DMM shud be RSWL and DMM-SBC PQWL
3)Any comments on point no. 2?
##Once the GN Quota gets exhausted, then the passengers who are eligible for GN Quota are also booked against the vacancies earmarked for Pooled Quota. This is the reason why, sometimes, you see end-to-end passengers in the Berth marked PQ.

##Since the Remote Location starts from Pune, DMM-SBC CAN NEVER BE UNDER POOLED QUOTA. In other words, after Remote Location Quota points, the passengers WILL NOT BE booked against the berths earmarked for Pooled Quotas.

##To be more clear, the RL & PQ NEVER overlap with each other, and they NEVER cover the same stretch of journey.When you find time, please keep checking the Waiting List Status for PQ & RL. If they overlap with each other, kindly let me know.

##The RSWL works only when the passenger is NOT covered under GNWL or PQWL or RLWL or DPWL.

##So much to say, if a particular Intermediate Station has got limited quota for journey to Termination Station, then, those travelling to such Intermediate Station, when the earmarked quota gets exhausted, are placed in RSWL which earlier was used to be termed as RQWL.

##I am trying to get hold of a RSWL PNR. Please give some time. If you can get hold of RSWL PNR, please furnish the same, so that the matter would be clear.
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Originally Posted by vsp27759 View Post ##Good question. First of all please note that there is no quota called RLGN.

##These words RLGN can be seen ONLY when you check the PNR Status of a RLWL Ticket. I have already given you given the example in my previous post.



##Once the GN Quota gets exhausted, then the passengers who are eligible for GN Quota are also booked against the vacancies earmarked for Pooled Quota. This is the reason why, sometimes, you see end-to-end passengers in the Berth marked PQ.

##Since the Remote Location starts from Pune, DMM-SBC CAN NEVER BE UNDER POOLED QUOTA. In other words, after Remote Location Quota points, the passengers WILL NOT BE booked against the berths earmarked for Pooled Quotas.

##To be more clear, the RL & PQ NEVER overlap with each other, and they NEVER cover the same stretch of journey.When you find time, please keep checking the Waiting List Status for PQ & RL. If they overlap with each other, kindly let me know.

##The RSWL works only when the passenger is NOT covered under GNWL or PQWL or RLWL or DPWL.

##So much to say, if a particular Intermediate Station has got limited quota for journey to Termination Station, then, those travelling to such Intermediate Station, when the earmarked quota gets exhausted, are placed in RSWL which earlier was used to be termed as RQWL.

##I am trying to get hold of a RSWL PNR. Please give some time. If you can get hold of RSWL PNR, please furnish the same, so that the matter would be clear.
There exists a big doubt whether RLGN is a quota or not. There has been massive discussions/fights/arguements about the same in Indiarailinfo. One person is convinced about RLGN being not a quota, whereas I and another railfan opposes the same.
Here's what I think:
RLGN and RLWL are distinct. I, till date have never seen both RLWL and RLGN being issued for the same journey stretch against the same train (The diff I have mentioned here before).
1. You can never tell if a Remote Station has been alloted a share from the General Quota (of the originating station).
2. When the same happens, after all the confirmed berths are issued, it directly moves into RLGN and not RLWL. (Reason: General Quota is huge enough to support RAC/s => And RLWL never has RAC, RLGN has)
One also seen RAC across the GN Quota throughout. So when u wud see the same for a Remote Location Station (Without seeing the quota), be sure that it is RLGN (Meaning the station has a part of the General Quota)
3. On the other hand, it wud move into RLWL (When no General Quota is allotted).

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Here's what some other person named, Shri Vinay Kumar thinks.

RS & RL Quota are different and confirm berth have no linkage with GEN/PQ!!
Linkage comes in picture once charting/clearance is been done!!
If GEN/PQ is vacant for any stretch meant for RS/RL Quota, those GEN/PQ vacancy can be utilized (even ear-marked quota vacant berth too can be utilized). But utilization & booking are different.
GEN Quota are been linked with some RS/RL Quota station (having higher demand, sometimes last moment booking) & hence some GEN Quota berth are been booked for RS Quota stations!! I dont have any logical proof, but NDLS-CNB getting CNF GEN Berth Booking indicates the same (GEN Quota booked for RS booking - Remote GEN Quota)!!
It may/may-not be fixed! But its there & Remote GEN Quota exist, which always is visible in form of WL (thats y, booking analogies define its fate)
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eg:
Rajdhani - HWH-SDEAH
NDLS-CNB (X number of berth booked in GEN Quota - Remote GEN Quota)
Now, these X number of berth can be provided from CNB to onward station booking (as its vacant from CNB afterwards) - Remote GEN Quota - RLGN
After that X limit crosses (from CNB onwards), WL will be assigned RLWL & then RLGN (as some berth out of that X berth from CNB onwards get cancelled)
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Thats my understanding of Remote GEN Quota!!
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Originally Posted by vsp27759 View Post ##Good question. First of all please note that there is no quota called RLGN.

##These words RLGN can be seen ONLY when you check the PNR Status of a RLWL Ticket. I have already given you given the example in my previous post.



##Once the GN Quota gets exhausted, then the passengers who are eligible for GN Quota are also booked against the vacancies earmarked for Pooled Quota. This is the reason why, sometimes, you see end-to-end passengers in the Berth marked PQ.

##Since the Remote Location starts from Pune, DMM-SBC CAN NEVER BE UNDER POOLED QUOTA. In other words, after Remote Location Quota points, the passengers WILL NOT BE booked against the berths earmarked for Pooled Quotas.

##To be more clear, the RL & PQ NEVER overlap with each other, and they NEVER cover the same stretch of journey.When you find time, please keep checking the Waiting List Status for PQ & RL. If they overlap with each other, kindly let me know.

##The RSWL works only when the passenger is NOT covered under GNWL or PQWL or RLWL or DPWL.

##So much to say, if a particular Intermediate Station has got limited quota for journey to Termination Station, then, those travelling to such Intermediate Station, when the earmarked quota gets exhausted, are placed in RSWL which earlier was used to be termed as RQWL.

##I am trying to get hold of a RSWL PNR. Please give some time. If you can get hold of RSWL PNR, please furnish the same, so that the matter would be clear.
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"Once the GN Quota gets exhausted, then the passengers who are eligible for GN Quota are also booked against the vacancies earmarked for Pooled Quota. This is the reason why, sometimes, you see end-to-end passengers in the Berth marked PQ."

Same happens in the reverse case Also. Once PQ is exhausted, pax are alloted confirmed berths against the General Quota ( ******* ONLY in COMBINED PNR's; i.e. GN+PQ; you would never see GN Quota for Intermediate-Final)

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4/5.
I have seen many PNR's where RL and PQ Overlap each other. Yes, for the same boarding station, you would never find them overlapping. The simple way to find out is, if B-D is the journey stretch (intermediate stations), check A-D (if it is the same as B-D then it is PQ, as all nearby small group of stations share a pooled quota with a bigger one, and if it is not, it has to RL; as the station has a reserved quota for itself and for the stations enroute (falling after it, i.e. C-D wud highly be in RLGN). Note C-D can also be in PQ, if there are more intermediate stations between them.
Here is a small example of overlapping.
http://indiarailinfo.com/train/1481 (19116 Sayaji Nagari Express)
http://indiarailinfo.com/pnr/post/111083 (PQWL)
http://indiarailinfo.com/pnr/post/114057 (RLGN)

6/7/8.
In one of the previous blogs, I have written about the quota applicability. Kindly go through it. When a station has remote quota (say station B), then A-B wud be in RSWL and B-C wud be in RLWL(Confirmed berths from A-B are issued from RS Quota of B, and confirmed berth from B-C from RL Quota of B. You would always see a RSWL followed by RLWL. For some trains, RLWL forms the shortest leg of journey, and hence is not permitted (Example: Rajdhani). Now since for stations not sharing any GN Quota wud have its own limited quota, and hence subsequently wud have limited quota for journey to terminating station.

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http://indiarailinfo.com/pnr/post/127261 (RSWL and for stations before Mathura starting from BCT)
Journey from MTJ-NZM wud not be allowed (due to distance factor - if it was it wud have been in RLWL)
http://indiarailinfo.com/pnr/post/126832

Inthe same train, BCT-BRC is also RSWL. Check BRC-NZM; it has a limited quota. Hence both logic is all and the same. (Note: The same ltd quota logic applies for situations against RLWL and hence RLGN comes into play)
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You would never have booking from BCT-BVI for this train (Distance factor)
However since BVI has been alloted a remote quota to facilitate journey originating from BVI (as it falls within the Mumbai cluster of stations). This is just to show that there might/might not be any booking prior to when RLGN commences.
http://indiarailinfo.com/pnr/post/125547

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Another Reason why RLGN and RLWL are different.
For the same pair of stations as in the PNR above; see this:
http://indiarailinfo.com/pnr/post/126402

You would never have GN+RLWL combined. (or else every intermediate passenger wud exhaust the GN Quota)
PQ is applicable for all journey combinations. But you cannot apply RLWL/RLGN/RSWL for the same. RSWL is essentially a starting-intermediate combination, whereas RLGN and RLWL are intermediate-end combinations.
I had written in another topic, how confirmed/WL berths are issued for a particular train.

kindly check:
Side berths on the Mangla Lakshadweep Express

Here is one small example of RS being linked with GN Quota (Note: All these linkages majorly happens in case of combined pax's; and hence very rarely you would find individual ones)
http://indiarailinfo.com/pnr/post/127625
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Originally Posted by dipyamanbasu View Post There exists a big doubt whether RLGN is a quota or not. Here's what I think:
RLGN and RLWL are distinct.
##They are NOT distinct. But, I once again and finally reiterate that the words RLGN 'CAN' be seen only when you check the status of RLWL Ticket at the following link:
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http://www.indianrail.gov.in/pnr_Enq.html
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##That is why, I have requested to get hold of RLWL Ticket which is purchased in the PRS Counter.
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Originally Posted by dipyamanbasu View Post Same happens in the reverse case Also. Once PQ is exhausted, pax are alloted confirmed berths against the General Quota
##You are absolutely wrong. The Passengers who are covered under Pooled Quota are NEVER booked against the vacancdies earmarked for GN.Quota. But if there are vacancies in GN Quota, those in PQWL will be considered against such vacancies during charting. I am saying this, because, I always go through PQ Charts when I visit Secunderabad Station - every Sunday evening.

##I will also give you an example to substantiate my statement.
Please look at this:
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12704 FALAKNUMA EXP 10-4-2011 SECUNDERABAD JN CUTTACK GENERAL
S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - SL Class -3A
1 10- 4-2011 REGRET/WL 25 REGRET/WL 11
2 11- 4-2011 REGRET/WL 25 REGRET/WL 10
3 12- 4-2011 REGRET/WL 26 WL 16/WL 9
4 13- 4-2011 WL 33/WL 24 REGRET/WL 10
5 14- 4-2011 REGRET/WL 26 REGRET/WL 10
6 15- 4-2011 REGRET/WL 44 REGRET/WL 10
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12704 FALAKNUMA EXP 10-4-2011 SECUNDERABAD JN BHADRAKH GENERAL
S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - SL Class -3A
1 10- 4-2011 WL 325/WL 215 WL 53/WL 27
2 11- 4-2011 WL 166/WL 122 WL 35/WL 20
3 12- 4-2011 WL 221/WL 111 WL 57/WL 25
4 13- 4-2011 WL 110/WL 60 WL 42/WL 22
5 14- 4-2011 WL 99/WL 51 WL 55/WL 34
6 15- 4-2011 WL 197/WL 128 WL 53/WL 31
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12704 FALAKNUMA EXP 10-5-2011 SECUNDERABAD JN CUTTACK GENERAL
S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - SL Class -3A
1 10- 5-2011 REGRET/WL 25 REGRET/WL 10
2 11- 5-2011 REGRET/WL 25 REGRET/WL 10
3 12- 5-2011 REGRET/WL 26 REGRET/WL 11
4 13- 5-2011 REGRET/WL 25 REGRET/WL 10
5 14- 5-2011 REGRET/WL 27 REGRET/WL 11
6 15- 5-2011 REGRET/WL 25 REGRET/WL 11
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12704 FALAKNUMA EXP 10-5-2011 SECUNDERABAD JN BHADRAKH GENERAL
S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - SL Class -3A
1 10- 5-2011 WL 45/WL 3 WL 50/WL 33
2 11- 5-2011 RAC68/RAC 50 WL 46/WL 31
3 12- 5-2011 RAC16/RAC 15 WL 46/WL 35
4 13- 5-2011 AVAILABLE 3 WL 41/WL 35
5 14- 5-2011 AVAILABLE 25 WL 50/WL 40
6 15- 5-2011 WL 9/RAC 121 WL 29/WL 15
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##The SC-CTC Bookings by 12704 come under Pooled Quota, whereas SC-BHC & beyond come under GENERAL Quota.

##Please note even though there are are vacancies in GN.Quota in SL Class for 13th & 14th May, the Passengers bound for Cuttack were NOT considered, instead, the SC-CTC Status had reached REGRET Level.

##Please keep going through the actual Waiting List Status/Availability Status, whenever you find time.:-)

##....and finally, a small request from me to you - when you make statements, kindly substantiate them with examples, as I have done, for the benefit of the Members in this Forum.
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Kindly go through the latter part of this post:
RLWL 1 - What does this mean?

Even if u get an E-Ticket against RLWL, it shud also reflect the same RLGN (As you insist for PRS Ticket). Till date, I haven't seen anything as such. If I happen to purchase a RLWL ticket in the future, I shall definitely post it here for the benefit of passengers.
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Originally Posted by vsp27759 View Post ##You are absolutely wrong. The Passengers who are covered under Pooled Quota are NEVER booked against the vacancdies earmarked for GN.Quota. But if there are vacancies in GN Quota, those in PQWL will be considered against such vacancies during charting. I am saying this, because, I always go through PQ Charts when I visit Secunderabad Station - every Sunday evening.

##I will also give you an example to substantiate my statement.
Please look at this:
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12704 FALAKNUMA EXP 10-4-2011 SECUNDERABAD JN CUTTACK GENERAL
S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - SL Class -3A
1 10- 4-2011 REGRET/WL 25 REGRET/WL 11
2 11- 4-2011 REGRET/WL 25 REGRET/WL 10
3 12- 4-2011 REGRET/WL 26 WL 16/WL 9
4 13- 4-2011 WL 33/WL 24 REGRET/WL 10
5 14- 4-2011 REGRET/WL 26 REGRET/WL 10
6 15- 4-2011 REGRET/WL 44 REGRET/WL 10
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12704 FALAKNUMA EXP 10-4-2011 SECUNDERABAD JN BHADRAKH GENERAL
S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - SL Class -3A
1 10- 4-2011 WL 325/WL 215 WL 53/WL 27
2 11- 4-2011 WL 166/WL 122 WL 35/WL 20
3 12- 4-2011 WL 221/WL 111 WL 57/WL 25
4 13- 4-2011 WL 110/WL 60 WL 42/WL 22
5 14- 4-2011 WL 99/WL 51 WL 55/WL 34
6 15- 4-2011 WL 197/WL 128 WL 53/WL 31
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12704 FALAKNUMA EXP 10-5-2011 SECUNDERABAD JN CUTTACK GENERAL
S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - SL Class -3A
1 10- 5-2011 REGRET/WL 25 REGRET/WL 10
2 11- 5-2011 REGRET/WL 25 REGRET/WL 10
3 12- 5-2011 REGRET/WL 26 REGRET/WL 11
4 13- 5-2011 REGRET/WL 25 REGRET/WL 10
5 14- 5-2011 REGRET/WL 27 REGRET/WL 11
6 15- 5-2011 REGRET/WL 25 REGRET/WL 11
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12704 FALAKNUMA EXP 10-5-2011 SECUNDERABAD JN BHADRAKH GENERAL
S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - SL Class -3A
1 10- 5-2011 WL 45/WL 3 WL 50/WL 33
2 11- 5-2011 RAC68/RAC 50 WL 46/WL 31
3 12- 5-2011 RAC16/RAC 15 WL 46/WL 35
4 13- 5-2011 AVAILABLE 3 WL 41/WL 35
5 14- 5-2011 AVAILABLE 25 WL 50/WL 40
6 15- 5-2011 WL 9/RAC 121 WL 29/WL 15
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##The SC-CTC Bookings by 12704 come under Pooled Quota, whereas SC-BHC & beyond come under GENERAL Quota.

##Please note even though there are are vacancies in GN.Quota in SL Class for 13th & 14th May, the Passengers bound for Cuttack were NOT considered, instead, the SC-CTC Status had reached REGRET Level.

##Please keep going through the actual Waiting List Status/Availability Status, whenever you find time.:-)

##....and finally, a small request from me to you - when you make statements, kindly substantiate them with examples, as I have done, for the benefit of the Members in this Forum.
"##You are absolutely wrong. The Passengers who are covered under Pooled Quota are NEVER booked against the vacancdies earmarked for GN.Quota. But if there are vacancies in GN Quota, those in PQWL will be considered against such vacancies during charting. I am saying this, because, I always go through PQ Charts when I visit Secunderabad Station - every Sunday evening."

1. We are talking about Booking logic, and not charting. During charting multiple permutation-combinations occur. It is not possible to specifically identify everything.

"##....and finally, a small request from me to you - when you make statements, kindly substantiate them with examples, as I have done, for the benefit of the Members in this Forum."

2. I have substantiated all my earlier postings, with examples; atleast in almost all of the cases where you did not substantiate ur statements with examples. So obviously, it can be considered that whatever I speak, I have a proof for everything (Except for the difference between RLWL and RLGN, which too however I had been able to substantiate my claims to a max extent).

3. PQ is applicable for every journey leg and can be combined for any journey stretch, against any journey leg, along with the applicable quota (Combined). I have seen multiple PNR's where journey stretch eligible for PQ, has been given confirmed berths in GN.
The sequence goes like this:
Confirmed (Berth No, PQ)
Confirmed (Berth No, PQ)
Confirmed (Berth No, GN)
Confirmed (Berth No, GN)
WL 1(PQWL)
WL 2(PQWL)

There also exists a reverse situation when passengers eligible for GN are allotted berths against the PQ.

I would post the example as soon as I can search back one.

Confirmed (Berth No, GN)
Confirmed (Berth No, GN)
Confirmed (Berth No, PQ)
Confirmed (Berth No, PQ)
WL 1(GNWL)
WL 2(GNWL)

Wait for some time and I would furnish the PNR's for both. If you need any other furnishing of PNR's, kindly let me know. I would appreciate if you too would do the same!
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Originally Posted by dipyamanbasu View Post "##You are absolutely wrong. The Passengers who are covered under Pooled Quota are NEVER booked against the vacancdies earmarked for GN.Quota. But if there are vacancies in GN Quota, those in PQWL will be considered against such vacancies during charting. I am saying this, because, I always go through PQ Charts when I visit Secunderabad Station - every Sunday evening."

1. We are talking about Booking logic, and not charting. During charting multiple permutation-combinations occur. It is not possible to specifically identify everything.

"##....and finally, a small request from me to you - when you make statements, kindly substantiate them with examples, as I have done, for the benefit of the Members in this Forum."

2. I have substantiated all my earlier postings, with examples; atleast in almost all of the cases where you did not substantiate ur statements with examples. So obviously, it can be considered that whatever I speak, I have a proof for everything (Except for the difference between RLWL and RLGN, which too however I had been able to substantiate my claims to a max extent).

3. PQ is applicable for every journey leg and can be combined for any journey stretch, against any journey leg, along with the applicable quota (Combined). I have seen multiple PNR's where journey stretch eligible for PQ, has been given confirmed berths in GN.
The sequence goes like this:
Confirmed (Berth No, PQ)
Confirmed (Berth No, PQ)
Confirmed (Berth No, GN)
Confirmed (Berth No, GN)
WL 1(PQWL)
WL 2(PQWL)

There also exists a reverse situation when passengers eligible for GN are allotted berths against the PQ.

I would post the example as soon as I can search back one.

Confirmed (Berth No, GN)
Confirmed (Berth No, GN)
Confirmed (Berth No, PQ)
Confirmed (Berth No, PQ)
WL 1(GNWL)
WL 2(GNWL)

Wait for some time and I would furnish the PNR's for both. If you need any other furnishing of PNR's, kindly let me know. I would appreciate if you too would do the same!
To add:
These all are the examples of combined PNR;s. As I have said earlier, it is very hard to spot out individual cases.
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Originally Posted by vsp27759 View Post ##Good question. First of all please note that there is no quota called RLGN.

##These words RLGN can be seen ONLY when you check the PNR Status of a RLWL Ticket. I have already given you given the example in my previous post.



##Once the GN Quota gets exhausted, then the passengers who are eligible for GN Quota are also booked against the vacancies earmarked for Pooled Quota. This is the reason why, sometimes, you see end-to-end passengers in the Berth marked PQ.

##Since the Remote Location starts from Pune, DMM-SBC CAN NEVER BE UNDER POOLED QUOTA. In other words, after Remote Location Quota points, the passengers WILL NOT BE booked against the berths earmarked for Pooled Quotas.

##To be more clear, the RL & PQ NEVER overlap with each other, and they NEVER cover the same stretch of journey.When you find time, please keep checking the Waiting List Status for PQ & RL. If they overlap with each other, kindly let me know.

##The RSWL works only when the passenger is NOT covered under GNWL or PQWL or RLWL or DPWL.

##So much to say, if a particular Intermediate Station has got limited quota for journey to Termination Station, then, those travelling to such Intermediate Station, when the earmarked quota gets exhausted, are placed in RSWL which earlier was used to be termed as RQWL.

##I am trying to get hold of a RSWL PNR. Please give some time. If you can get hold of RSWL PNR, please furnish the same, so that the matter would be clear.
One more GN+RSWL.
http://indiarailinfo.com/pnr/post/129583
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Originally Posted by vsp27759 View Post ##You are absolutely wrong. The Passengers who are covered under Pooled Quota are NEVER booked against the vacancdies earmarked for GN.Quota. But if there are vacancies in GN Quota, those in PQWL will be considered against such vacancies during charting. I am saying this, because, I always go through PQ Charts when I visit Secunderabad Station - every Sunday evening.

##I will also give you an example to substantiate my statement.
Please look at this:
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12704 FALAKNUMA EXP 10-4-2011 SECUNDERABAD JN CUTTACK GENERAL
S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - SL Class -3A
1 10- 4-2011 REGRET/WL 25 REGRET/WL 11
2 11- 4-2011 REGRET/WL 25 REGRET/WL 10
3 12- 4-2011 REGRET/WL 26 WL 16/WL 9
4 13- 4-2011 WL 33/WL 24 REGRET/WL 10
5 14- 4-2011 REGRET/WL 26 REGRET/WL 10
6 15- 4-2011 REGRET/WL 44 REGRET/WL 10
.............................. ..........
12704 FALAKNUMA EXP 10-4-2011 SECUNDERABAD JN BHADRAKH GENERAL
S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - SL Class -3A
1 10- 4-2011 WL 325/WL 215 WL 53/WL 27
2 11- 4-2011 WL 166/WL 122 WL 35/WL 20
3 12- 4-2011 WL 221/WL 111 WL 57/WL 25
4 13- 4-2011 WL 110/WL 60 WL 42/WL 22
5 14- 4-2011 WL 99/WL 51 WL 55/WL 34
6 15- 4-2011 WL 197/WL 128 WL 53/WL 31
============================== ======
12704 FALAKNUMA EXP 10-5-2011 SECUNDERABAD JN CUTTACK GENERAL
S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - SL Class -3A
1 10- 5-2011 REGRET/WL 25 REGRET/WL 10
2 11- 5-2011 REGRET/WL 25 REGRET/WL 10
3 12- 5-2011 REGRET/WL 26 REGRET/WL 11
4 13- 5-2011 REGRET/WL 25 REGRET/WL 10
5 14- 5-2011 REGRET/WL 27 REGRET/WL 11
6 15- 5-2011 REGRET/WL 25 REGRET/WL 11
.........................
12704 FALAKNUMA EXP 10-5-2011 SECUNDERABAD JN BHADRAKH GENERAL
S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - SL Class -3A
1 10- 5-2011 WL 45/WL 3 WL 50/WL 33
2 11- 5-2011 RAC68/RAC 50 WL 46/WL 31
3 12- 5-2011 RAC16/RAC 15 WL 46/WL 35
4 13- 5-2011 AVAILABLE 3 WL 41/WL 35
5 14- 5-2011 AVAILABLE 25 WL 50/WL 40
6 15- 5-2011 WL 9/RAC 121 WL 29/WL 15
============================== =

##The SC-CTC Bookings by 12704 come under Pooled Quota, whereas SC-BHC & beyond come under GENERAL Quota.

##Please note even though there are are vacancies in GN.Quota in SL Class for 13th & 14th May, the Passengers bound for Cuttack were NOT considered, instead, the SC-CTC Status had reached REGRET Level.

##Please keep going through the actual Waiting List Status/Availability Status, whenever you find time.:-)

##....and finally, a small request from me to you - when you make statements, kindly substantiate them with examples, as I have done, for the benefit of the Members in this Forum.
1.Passenger eligible for PQWL given confirmed berth in GN Quota.
http://indiarailinfo.com/pnr/post/128165

2. Passenger eligible for GN/GNWL given confirmed berth in PQ.
http://indiarailinfo.com/pnr/post/104036

3, GN+RLGN
http://indiarailinfo.com/pnr/post/131580
http://indiarailinfo.com/pnr/post/115675
http://indiarailinfo.com/pnr/post/125439
http://indiarailinfo.com/pnr/post/133586
http://indiarailinfo.com/pnr/post/125685
http://indiarailinfo.com/pnr/post/129574
http://indiarailinfo.com/pnr/post/132034
http://indiarailinfo.com/pnr/post/122848

4. PQ+RLGN
http://indiarailinfo.com/pnr/post/103433
http://indiarailinfo.com/pnr/post/120492

5. GN+RSWL
http://indiarailinfo.com/pnr/post/125454
http://indiarailinfo.com/pnr/post/127625
http://indiarailinfo.com/pnr/post/120501

6. GN+PQ+RLGN
http://indiarailinfo.com/pnr/post/131839
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Originally Posted by Vibhu Jindal View Post yup u can book waitlisted tickets on site but only i-tieckets not e-tickets....

have boarded the trian with waitlisted tickets a no. of times when my other friend had confirmed tickets as TT has no objection if other one with confirmed seats have no objection in seating you with himself as you have a ticket (even if waitlisted)
That must be a lucky break for you mate... Is there any clarity on the official rule under this situation
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Originally Posted by hpant View Post That must be a lucky break for you mate... Is there any clarity on the official rule under this situation
Waitlisted i-tickets are not officially cancelled. So you can board the train with it.
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