RAC and Waitlists explained.

steven_ber · Mar 27th, 2009, 12:25

Swapnil, great questions, now I'll make an ass of myself and try to answer them, hopefully VSP will be along later to clear up the mess.

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Originally Posted by Swapnil

Let's say 5 passengers (A,B,C,D,E) booked their tickets(same class) in a particular train & their respective positions are :

A : GNWL 1

B : RLWL 1

C : RQWL 1

D : PQWL 1

E : CKWL 1 (tatkal)

Now exactly how this wait list will move up against cancellation & who will get confirmed berth

It doesn't work that way at all, you just wouldn't get all those waitlists on the same train between the same pair of stations.

(steve goes to heat up a sticky toffee pudding whilst he thinks of the best way to explain this.)

I'll probably explain a lot of what you already know, but my aim is for many people to understand how it all works.

GNWL = General quota waitlist

The General quota is for passengers travelling the full length (or most of the way) of the train's journey, and the General quota is usually the largest quota.

RLWL = Remote Location quota waitlist

On long distance trains, some stations along the route will be designated Remote Location stations, these will be big stations, and mostly where the train will call at the chosen station (and at the destination station) at popular times, it may also be a station that many people will book to (from the originating station), and this can mean that many seats/berths will become available at the remote location station.

Remote Location stations prepare their own reservation chart 2-4 hours before the train is due to arrive/depart from that station, or the evening before in the case of late/very early departures.

RQWL = Request Quota waitlist

Let me give an example (and this is off the top of my head, so unlikely to be a real example).

Let’s say that Dound Jn is allowed 2 Sleeper Class berths on the Mumbai-Bangalore Udyan Express, and these berths are booked, the next person who wants to travel to Bangalore on the same train has to join a Request Quota waitlist, this waitlist will only improve if a person books a Mumbai-Dound ticket from one of the larger quotas, this would leave the seat vacant from Daund, so would allow another person to board at Dound.

So in theory, the person is requesting a berth in case anyone happens to be getting off at Dound.

(the ‘ping’ from the microwave oven tells me my sticky toffee pudding is ready, damn, it’s too hot, I’ll leave it for 10 minutes to cool down)

PQWL = Pooled Quota waitlist

Pooled Quota is basically anything not covered by the other quotas, though the General ad Remote Location quotas take up most berths. (and lately the Tatkal quota).

Pooled quota can include (though not always) Originating station to intermediate station, Intermediate to intermediate, and intermediate to destination station (though it would be separate from remote location quotas).

CKWL = Tatkal quota waitlist

Tatkal quota is just for last chance bookings and in most cases, can only be booked from originating station to destination station, though you can change the boarding station.

(a strange noise draws me to the kitchen, the noise gets louder as I get nearer, "eat me", "eat me", "eat me", it seems to be coming from my sticky toffee pudding )

How fast will the waitlist move?

It’s not easy to predict, and can be different for every train, even trains on the same route.

The first thing a person needs to find out is how many berths are used for that class on that train between the 2 selected stations, to do this, a person needs to check availability for 90 days ahead.

GNWL = General quota waitlist

I’d be unlikely to accept a waitlisted ticket that’s more than 25-30% of the total general quota, even 90 days ahead, and as the time goes down, the acceptable waitlist number comes down, though 10% of the total general quota can still be good even a week before the train.

RLWL = Remote Location quota waitlist

Same as general quota, but total berths available is likely to be a lot less.

RQWL = Request Quota waitlist

It really depends on the train, and the total number of berths used, but in most cases, I probably wouldn’t want a waitlisted ticket.

PQWL = Pooled Quota waitlist

Total berths used for EXACT same train, class and pair of stations is essential info for the pooled quota waitlist, it can be as low as 2 berths, so even a PQWL 1 ticket would be very unlikely to become confirmed, a very tricky waitlist to predict, so a waitlist that’s best avoided in most cases.

CKWL = Tatkal quota waitlist

Always tricky, mainly because the tickets are booked only 5 days before the train will depart, and because the cancellation fees for confirmed tickets are higher than other quotas, so there’s less chance of cancellations, also, there’s no other quotas (foreign tourist quota , VIP quota , Military quota etc.) can come to the rescue of waitlisted passengers (if quotas remain unsold).

Please note.

The Indian Railway websites, those used for checking availability, and the booking website, DON’T indicate what waitlist you’ll be joining if you buy a waitlisted ticket, you only find out after you buy the ticket, this is really frustrating and Indian Railways needs to change this.

(500g of sticky toffee pudding has vanished, a warm, satisfied feeling gives the main clue as to where it’s gone)

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1) Confirmed passengers from general quota canceling their tickets (ticket - from source to destination of train)

This will reduce the general quota waitlist.

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2) Confirmed passengers from general quota canceling their tickets (ticket from intermediate station to destination of train)

If the intermediate station is close to the originating station, there’s a chance that the ticket will be from the general quota, so a cancellation would reduce the general quota waitlist.

The intermediate station may be a designated remote location station, if so, a cancellation would reduce the RLWL.

Or the ticket could be a pooled quota ticket, so a cancellation would reduce the PQWL.

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3) Confirmed passengers from remote quota canceling their tickets .

This would reduce the RLWL.

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4) Confirmed passengers from pooled quota canceling their tickets .

This would reduce the PQWL.

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5) Confirmed passengers from Tatkal quota canceling their tickets.

This would reduce the Tatkal quota waitlist.

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6) If there are empty berths in specific quota while preparing reservation chart ( e.g. foreign tourist quota , VIP quota , Military quota etc. to whom these berths will be alloted ?)

These would be used to reduce the General quota waitlist.

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7) Also if there's vacancy in a particular general/remote/pooled quota while preparing reservation chart ... then how this will be used to reduce wait list & how these berths will be alloted ?

All waitlists will need cancellations from their own quotas to improve, however, if there’s availability in the general quota, it can sometimes be used to reduce the pooled quota waitlist.

VSP, what happens to unused Tatkal berths, are they used to reduce the general waitlist?

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8) Class upgradation : Exactly which passengers (GN,PQ,RQ,Tatkal) are eligible for free class upgradation ? How this system works ? Once passenger been upgraded to higher class to whom his earlier berth will be alloted ?

This only happens if there is availability in the higher class, and a waitlist (general) in the lower class, the berth left vacant after a passenger has been upgraded would be used to reduce the general waitlist.

I don’t know if these free upgrades also happen at remote location stations or Tatkal quota bookings, I can think of no reason why they shouldn’t, VSP, do you know?

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9) What exact difference between RLWL & RQWL ? Who's having more chance to get confirmed ? Is there any reserved quota for RLWL as in case for RQWL ?

Answered earlier in the post.

Remote Location station? how do I know?.

The following isn’t guaranteed, but it often works for me.

Find the availability (90 days ahead) for the originating station to the terminating station, write down the number.

Then check the availability from the next station to the terminating station, if the number is the same as the origination station, then this station uses the general quota.

Keep checking the next station and so on, till you find a station with a totally different availability number, this station may be a remote location station.

Not that it matters too much, it’s still always about the total number of berths used for the section of journey that you’ll be using.

If you want to play around with some waitlist numbers or availability numbers, try searching for availability on different trains between Solapur and Mumbai (or in the opposite direction), there’s a range of short, middle and long distance trains covering this section and an number of different quotas will be used.

(A bloated stomach tells me I need some exercise, so I will go for a long walk, I’ve got Wednesdays ’The Apprentice’ (TV programme) recorded, so a walk to the TV should be enough exercise for 1 day.)

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Speaking of ’The Apprentice’, I’m looking forward to VSP’s corrections, I’ll be forever learning about waitlists, and VSP is my favourite teacher.

bond007 · Mar 27th, 2009, 23:12

Great explanation Steve

My understanding is that unused Tatkal berths go towards reducing the general waitlist (since they fit the same criteria of berths allocated for whole of the journey)

Swapnil · Mar 27th, 2009, 23:58

Great Post Steven !

Hugely informative & written in very lucid manner .

Probably everyone should read this before booking waitlist ticket.

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Originally Posted by steven_ber

It doesn't work that way at all, you just wouldn't get all those waitlists on the same train between the same pair of stations.

I know ... I was only considering different passengers having WL 1 position in different wait lists.( not necessarily traveling between same pair of stations). At source station I think only CKWL,GNWL (& in some cases PQWL) can co-exist .

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RLWL = Remote Location quota waitlist

On long distance trains, some stations along the route will be designated Remote Location stations, these will be big stations, and mostly where the train will call at the chosen station (and at the destination station) at popular times, it may also be a station that many people will book to (from the originating station), and this can mean that many seats/berths will become available at the remote location station.

Remote Location stations prepare their own reservation chart 2-4 hours before the train is due to arrive/depart from that station, or the evening before in the case of late/very early departures.

So does this mean only separate reservation charts prepared for these stations & there's no actual reserved quota for these stations ? i.e. vacancy will depend on passengers alighting at these stations only.

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RQWL = Request Quota waitlist

So in theory, the person is requesting a berth in case anyone happens to be getting off at Dound.

from earlier RLWL post:

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it may also be a station that many people will book to (from the originating station), and this can mean that many seats/berths will become available at the remote location station.

So what's the difference ?

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RQWL = Request Quota waitlist

It really depends on the train, and the total number of berths used, but in most cases, I probably wouldn’t want a waitlisted ticket.

So I guess RLWL ticket is comparatively better than RQWL .

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All waitlists will need cancellations from their own quotas to improve, however, if there’s availability in the general quota, it can sometimes be used to reduce the pooled quota waitlist.

VSP, what happens to unused Tatkal berths, are they used to reduce the general waitlist?

If there's availability in General/Tatkal quota then will it be used to reduce waitlist in RQWL/RLWL ?

Also if there's availability in RL quota then can it be used to reduce waitlist in RQ quota (or vice versa) at subsequent stations ?

e.g. Consider Pune as RL for Mumbai - Bangalore Udyan express.If there's still availability (for Pune - Bangalore route) after preparing separate reservation chart then can this be used to accommodate RQWL from Dound ?

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This only happens if there is availability in the higher class, and a waitlist (general) in the lower class, the berth left vacant after a passenger has been upgraded would be used to reduce the general waitlist.

So does this mean only confirmed GN passengers from lower class are considered for this ?Are they selected randomly by computer ? What if there's no waitlist in lower class too ?

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Remote Location station? how do I know?.

The following isn’t guaranteed, but it often works for me.

Find the availability (90 days ahead) for the originating station to the terminating station, write down the number.

Then check the availability from the next station to the terminating station, if the number is the same as the origination station, then this station uses the general quota.

Keep checking the next station and so on, till you find a station with a totally different availability number, this station may be a remote location station.

If this different availability number is ridiculously too small then can it be considered as Pooled Quota ?

Apart from this how will you differentiate between RL/RQ while checking ?

(# btw I throughly enjoyed your "sticky toffee pudding" story too ...

)

vsp27759 · Mar 28th, 2009, 11:55

Dear Steven,

The unused berths in Tatkal Quota will be utilised to clear the GENERAL WAITING LIST.
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If at all there are vacancies in General Quota, then such berths will be used to clear PQWL.
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Sometimes, we have seen confirmations in RLWL, even before the Chart at Remote Location is finalised. This only means, if there are vacancies in General Quota, then those in RLWL might be considered.
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In view of the fact that RLWL never originates in Originating Station and PQWL & RLWL never over-lap, normally, PQWL takes precedence over RLWL.
=====
Normally, the chances for confirmation under RQWL are very very minimal, rather nil.
======
On the other hand, there is a direct relationship between the Berths Availability AND the Two Stations between which a berth is booked, irrespective of the type of Waiting List & the position inj such Waiting List.

**For example, PQWL.1 might NOT get confirmed, but PQWL.25 might get confirmed!!!

steven_ber · Mar 28th, 2009, 13:30

Thanks for the clarifications VSP.

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Originally Posted by vsp27759

PQWL & RLWL never over-lap

Are you sure?

Train 4854 (Jodhpur-Varanasi) has Jaipur as a remote location station, and Jaipur-Varanasi tickets can be booked from the RL quota.

The stations from Jaipur up to Idgah Agra are included in the RL quota, but bookings from Agra Fort (and all stations after AF) are booked on the pooled quota.

So in this case, the RL and PQ over-lap.

Or do you mean over-lap in a different way?

vsp27759 · Mar 28th, 2009, 13:54

Dear Steven,

##The Remote Location Quota starts from an Intermediate Station ONLY and covers all the stations upto the Terminating Station.
----
4854 MARUDHAR EXPRES 20-06-2009 JAIPUR
VARANASI JN GENERAL
S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - SL Class -SH
1 20- 6-2009 AVAILABLE- 0165 CLASS NOT EXIST
2 22- 6-2009 AVAILABLE- 0152 CLASS NOT EXIST
3 25- 6-2009 AVAILABLE- 0165 CLASS NOT EXIST
..................
4854 MARUDHAR EXPRES 20-06-2009 JAIPUR
IDGAH AGRA JN GENERAL
S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - SL Class -3A
1 20- 6-2009 AVAILABLE- 0165 AVAILABLE- 0010
2 22- 6-2009 AVAILABLE- 0152 AVAILABLE- 0011
3 25- 6-2009 AVAILABLE- 0165 AVAILABLE- 0022
...............
4854 MARUDHAR EXPRES 20-06-2009 JODHPUR JN
AGRA FORT GENERAL
S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - SL Class -3A
1 20- 6-2009 AVAILABLE- 0525 AVAILABLE- 0072
2 22- 6-2009 AVAILABLE- 0525 AVAILABLE- 0075
3 25- 6-2009 AVAILABLE- 0515 AVAILABLE- 0070
............
4854 MARUDHAR EXPRES 20-06-2009 JODHPUR JN
TUNDLA JN GENERAL
S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - SL Class -3A
1 20- 6-2009 AVAILABLE- 0497 AVAILABLE- 0062
2 22- 6-2009 AVAILABLE- 0497 AVAILABLE- 0065
3 25- 6-2009 AVAILABLE- 0487 AVAILABLE- 0060
...............
##There is no Pooled Quota in 4854.:-)

vsp27759 · Mar 28th, 2009, 13:59

Dear Steven,

##Please look at this:
---
4854 MARUDHAR EXPRES 20-06-2009 AGRA FORT
VARANASI JN GENERAL
S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - SL Class -SH
1 20- 6-2009 AVAILABLE- 0018 CLASS NOT EXIST
2 22- 6-2009 AVAILABLE- 0016 CLASS NOT EXIST
3 25- 6-2009 AVAILABLE- 0020 CLASS NOT EXIST
...............
##If you deduct 497 out of 525, you will get 28, which is one more Remote Location Quota!!!

##You must have seen this:
---
4854 MARUDHAR EXPRES 20-06-2009 IDGAH AGRA JN
VARANASI JN GENERAL
S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - SL Class -SH
1 20- 6-2009 AVAILABLE- 0165 CLASS NOT EXIST
2 22- 6-2009 AVAILABLE- 0152 CLASS NOT EXIST
3 25- 6-2009 AVAILABLE- 0165 CLASS NOT EXIST
.............

steven_ber · Mar 28th, 2009, 14:07

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Originally Posted by vsp27759

##There is no Pooled Quota in 4854.:-)

That's what I thought, and in the original 'RAC & WL explained' I listed Agra Fort as a RL station, however.....

Some people have purchased waitlisted tickets from Agra Fort to Varanasi, and the ticket has been a PQWL ticket.

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Originally Posted by vsp27759

Remote Location Quota NEVER starts from Originating Station, whereas RQ starts!!!

So does RQ quota ONLY start from originating station, or can it start from an intermediate station? (I'm still trying to understand the RQ quota).

steven_ber · Mar 28th, 2009, 14:55

I'm just bringing VSP's comments regarding waitlists from another thread to try to keep all comments in one thread.

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Originally Posted by vsp27759

Dear Swapnil,

So does this mean only confirmed GN passengers from lower class are considered for this ?Are they selected randomly by computer ? What if there's no waitlist in lower class too ?

##Not necessarily, because those in RAC & WL will also be considered,if they move into Confirmed Status before/during Charting!!!

If there's availability in General/Tatkal quota then will it be used to reduce waitlist in RQWL/RLWL ?

##Not those in RQWL, but those in RLWL will be considered because we have seen RLWL Confirmations before the finalisation of the Chart at such Remote Location.

Consider Pune as RL for Mumbai - Bangalore Udyan express.If there's still availability (for Pune - Bangalore route) after preparing separate reservation chart then can this be used to accommodate RQWL from Dound ?

##If PUNE is RL for Udyan, then Daund would also get covered within this Quota. As such, to the best of my knowledge,it cannot be RQWL.

Apart from this how will you differentiate between RL/RQ while checking ?

As I have stated earlier, Remote Location Quota NEVER starts from Originating Station, whereas RQ starts!!!

vsp27759 · Mar 28th, 2009, 16:52

Dear Steven,

Some people have purchased waitlisted tickets from Agra Fort to Varanasi, and the ticket has been a PQWL ticket.

##But, when Jodhpur-Tundla comes under General Quota, to the best of my knowledge, AF-BSB cannot be under Pooled Quota.

##So many people might have purchased PQWL Tickets, according to the information provided by them, but I am yet come across with PNR of such ticket!!!!

Swapnil · Mar 28th, 2009, 23:25

Thank You VSP for clearing those doubts !

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Originally Posted by vsp27759

##If PUNE is RL for Udyan, then Daund would also get covered within this Quota. As such, to the best of my knowledge,it cannot be RQWL.

This was just an example to understand question better ... you can consider any subsequent station on this or any other route which having such RL & RQWL quota combination .

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Apart from this how will you differentiate between RL/RQ while checking ?

As I have stated earlier, Remote Location Quota NEVER starts from Originating Station, whereas RQ starts!!!

How RQ quota can co-exist with GN ,CQ ,PQ at source station ? Wouldn't all these (3)quota will take care of every reservation booked for journey from source station ?

steven_ber · Mar 29th, 2009, 02:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by vsp27759

Dear Steven,

Some people have purchased waitlisted tickets from Agra Fort to Varanasi, and the ticket has been a PQWL ticket.

##But, when Jodhpur-Tundla comes under General Quota, to the best of my knowledge, AF-BSB cannot be under Pooled Quota.

##So many people might have purchased PQWL Tickets, according to the information provided by them, but I am yet come across with PNR of such ticket!!!!

I'm 99% sure the tickets were PQWL, because I thought AF was a remote location station for 4854, so I was surprised to see a PQWL ticket.

OK, I doubt this, but I'll ask anyway.

There's only 2 berths for 2A passengers on Agra Fort's quota (and no RAC), lets assume AF is a RL station, when those 2 tickets are sold, the next person would be added to the waitlist, is it possible for a RL station to not have a waitlist of it's own, and therefore the waitlisted ticket would be PQWL?

BTW, all other stations after Agra Fort share the same quota of tickets as Agra Fort.

vsp27759 · Mar 29th, 2009, 16:57

Dear Steven,

There's only 2 berths for 2A passengers on Agra Fort's quota (and no RAC), lets assume AF is a RL station, when those 2 tickets are sold, the next person would be added to the waitlist, is it possible for a RL station to not have a waitlist of it's own, and therefore the waitlisted ticket would be PQWL?

##If the quota is Remote Location Quota, then the Waiting List CANNOT BE PQWL under any circumstances. But, when JP-TDL is GENERAL QUOTA, the AF-BSB cannot be POOLED Quota, because Pooled Quota necessarily covers the passengers travelling between:

a) Originating Station-Intermediate Station
b) Intermediate Station-Intermediate Station
c) Intermediate Station-Terminating Station

BTW, all other stations after Agra Fort share the same quota of tickets as Agra Fort.

vsp27759 · Mar 29th, 2009, 17:01

(...contd...)

##Please look at this:
---
2728 GODAVARI EXP 29-03-2009 HYDERABAD DECAN
SAMALKOT JN GENERAL
S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - SL Class -3A
1 29- 3-2009 WL 60/WL 43 WL 6/WL 2
2 30- 3-2009 WL 17/WL 16 REGRET/WL 5
3 31- 3-2009 WL 14/WL 11 WL 6/WL 2
4 1- 4-2009 WL 12/WL 9 WL 1/WL 1
5 2- 4-2009 WL 24/WL 23 WL 7/WL 4
6 3- 4-2009 WL 10/WL 8 WL 1/WL 1
.............................. .......
2728 GODAVARI EXP 29-03-2009 KAZIPET JN
SAMALKOT JN GENERAL
S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - SL Class -3A
1 29- 3-2009 WL 60/WL 43 WL 6/WL 2
2 30- 3-2009 WL 17/WL 16 REGRET/WL 5
3 31- 3-2009 WL 14/WL 11 WL 6/WL 2
4 1- 4-2009 WL 12/WL 9 WL 1/WL 1
5 2- 4-2009 WL 24/WL 23 WL 7/WL 4
6 3- 4-2009 WL 10/WL 8 WL 1/WL 1
.................
2728 GODAVARI EXP 29-03-2009 KHAMMAM
VISHAKAPATNAM GENERAL
S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - SL Class -3A
1 29- 3-2009 WL 60/WL 43 WL 6/WL 2
2 30- 3-2009 WL 17/WL 16 REGRET/WL 5
3 31- 3-2009 WL 14/WL 11 WL 6/WL 2
4 1- 4-2009 WL 12/WL 9 WL 1/WL 1
5 2- 4-2009 WL 24/WL 23 WL 7/WL 4
6 3- 4-2009 WL 10/WL 8 WL 1/WL 1
.............................. ........

vsp27759 · Mar 29th, 2009, 17:05

(...CONTD...)

##In 7015 BBS-VSKP Visakha Express, there are Two Remote Location Quotas, one at VSKP and the other one at AKP. Please look at this:
------
7015 VISAKHA EXPRESS 29-03-2009 VISHAKAPATNAM
SECUNDERABAD JN GENERAL
S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - SL Class -3A
1 29- 3-2009 WL 184/WL 82 WL 41/WL 29
2 30- 3-2009 WL 88/WL 37 WL 10/WL 6
3 31- 3-2009 WL 26/WL 6 WL 1/WL 1
4 1- 4-2009 WL 12/WL 10 WL 2/WL 2
5 2- 4-2009 AVAILABLE- 0005 AVAILABLE- 0001
6 3- 4-2009 WL 6/WL 3 WL 3/WL 3
...............
7015 VISAKHA EXPRESS 29-03-2009 ANAKAPALLE
SECUNDERABAD JN GENERAL
S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - SL Class -3A
1 29- 3-2009 WL 191/WL 92 WL 23/WL 9
2 30- 3-2009 WL 70/WL 46 WL 13/WL 7
3 31- 3-2009 AVAILABLE- 0008 WL 4/WL 3
4 1- 4-2009 AVAILABLE- 0070 WL 3/WL 3
5 2- 4-2009 AVAILABLE- 0099 WL 1/WL 1
6 3- 4-2009 AVAILABLE- 0061 WL 4/WL 4
.............................. ...........
..whereas the General Quota is this:
--
7015 VISAKHA EXPRESS 29-03-2009 BHUBANESWAR
SECUNDERABAD JN GENERAL
S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - SL Class -3A
1 29- 3-2009 WL 307/WL 200 WL 26/WL 11
2 30- 3-2009 WL 121/WL 72 WL 8/WL 4
3 31- 3-2009 WL 31/WL 14 WL 11/WL 1
4 1- 4-2009 WL 20/WL 14 WL 5/WL 5
5 2- 4-2009 AVAILABLE- 0045 WL 6/WL 3
6 3- 4-2009 AVAILABLE- 0055 WL 3/WL 3
.................

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Mar 27th, 2009, 23:12	#62
bond007 Alien from India Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Delhi/US Posts: 251	Great explanation Steve My understanding is that unused Tatkal berths go towards reducing the general waitlist (since they fit the same criteria of berths allocated for whole of the journey)

Mar 28th, 2009, 11:55	#64
vsp27759 V.SRINIVASA PRASAD Join Date: May 2005 Location: HYDERABAD Posts: 2,724	Dear Steven, The unused berths in Tatkal Quota will be utilised to clear the GENERAL WAITING LIST. ------ If at all there are vacancies in General Quota, then such berths will be used to clear PQWL. ------- Sometimes, we have seen confirmations in RLWL, even before the Chart at Remote Location is finalised. This only means, if there are vacancies in General Quota, then those in RLWL might be considered. ========== In view of the fact that RLWL never originates in Originating Station and PQWL & RLWL never over-lap, normally, PQWL takes precedence over RLWL. ===== Normally, the chances for confirmation under RQWL are very very minimal, rather nil. ====== On the other hand, there is a direct relationship between the Berths Availability AND the Two Stations between which a berth is booked, irrespective of the type of Waiting List & the position inj such Waiting List. **For example, PQWL.1 might NOT get confirmed, but PQWL.25 might get confirmed!!!

Mar 28th, 2009, 13:54	#66
vsp27759 V.SRINIVASA PRASAD Join Date: May 2005 Location: HYDERABAD Posts: 2,724	Dear Steven, ##The Remote Location Quota starts from an Intermediate Station ONLY and covers all the stations upto the Terminating Station. ---- 4854 MARUDHAR EXPRES 20-06-2009 JAIPUR VARANASI JN GENERAL S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - SL Class -SH 1 20- 6-2009 AVAILABLE- 0165 CLASS NOT EXIST 2 22- 6-2009 AVAILABLE- 0152 CLASS NOT EXIST 3 25- 6-2009 AVAILABLE- 0165 CLASS NOT EXIST .................. 4854 MARUDHAR EXPRES 20-06-2009 JAIPUR IDGAH AGRA JN GENERAL S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - SL Class -3A 1 20- 6-2009 AVAILABLE- 0165 AVAILABLE- 0010 2 22- 6-2009 AVAILABLE- 0152 AVAILABLE- 0011 3 25- 6-2009 AVAILABLE- 0165 AVAILABLE- 0022 ............... 4854 MARUDHAR EXPRES 20-06-2009 JODHPUR JN AGRA FORT GENERAL S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - SL Class -3A 1 20- 6-2009 AVAILABLE- 0525 AVAILABLE- 0072 2 22- 6-2009 AVAILABLE- 0525 AVAILABLE- 0075 3 25- 6-2009 AVAILABLE- 0515 AVAILABLE- 0070 ............ 4854 MARUDHAR EXPRES 20-06-2009 JODHPUR JN TUNDLA JN GENERAL S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - SL Class -3A 1 20- 6-2009 AVAILABLE- 0497 AVAILABLE- 0062 2 22- 6-2009 AVAILABLE- 0497 AVAILABLE- 0065 3 25- 6-2009 AVAILABLE- 0487 AVAILABLE- 0060 ............... ##There is no Pooled Quota in 4854.:-)

Mar 28th, 2009, 13:59	#67
vsp27759 V.SRINIVASA PRASAD Join Date: May 2005 Location: HYDERABAD Posts: 2,724	Dear Steven, ##Please look at this: --- 4854 MARUDHAR EXPRES 20-06-2009 AGRA FORT VARANASI JN GENERAL S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - SL Class -SH 1 20- 6-2009 AVAILABLE- 0018 CLASS NOT EXIST 2 22- 6-2009 AVAILABLE- 0016 CLASS NOT EXIST 3 25- 6-2009 AVAILABLE- 0020 CLASS NOT EXIST ............... ##If you deduct 497 out of 525, you will get 28, which is one more Remote Location Quota!!! ##You must have seen this: --- 4854 MARUDHAR EXPRES 20-06-2009 IDGAH AGRA JN VARANASI JN GENERAL S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - SL Class -SH 1 20- 6-2009 AVAILABLE- 0165 CLASS NOT EXIST 2 22- 6-2009 AVAILABLE- 0152 CLASS NOT EXIST 3 25- 6-2009 AVAILABLE- 0165 CLASS NOT EXIST .............

Mar 28th, 2009, 16:52	#70
vsp27759 V.SRINIVASA PRASAD Join Date: May 2005 Location: HYDERABAD Posts: 2,724	Dear Steven, Some people have purchased waitlisted tickets from Agra Fort to Varanasi, and the ticket has been a PQWL ticket. ##But, when Jodhpur-Tundla comes under General Quota, to the best of my knowledge, AF-BSB cannot be under Pooled Quota. ##So many people might have purchased PQWL Tickets, according to the information provided by them, but I am yet come across with PNR of such ticket!!!!

Mar 29th, 2009, 16:57	#73
vsp27759 V.SRINIVASA PRASAD Join Date: May 2005 Location: HYDERABAD Posts: 2,724	Dear Steven, There's only 2 berths for 2A passengers on Agra Fort's quota (and no RAC), lets assume AF is a RL station, when those 2 tickets are sold, the next person would be added to the waitlist, is it possible for a RL station to not have a waitlist of it's own, and therefore the waitlisted ticket would be PQWL? ##If the quota is Remote Location Quota, then the Waiting List CANNOT BE PQWL under any circumstances. But, when JP-TDL is GENERAL QUOTA, the AF-BSB cannot be POOLED Quota, because Pooled Quota necessarily covers the passengers travelling between: a) Originating Station-Intermediate Station b) Intermediate Station-Intermediate Station c) Intermediate Station-Terminating Station BTW, all other stations after Agra Fort share the same quota of tickets as Agra Fort.

Mar 29th, 2009, 17:01	#74
vsp27759 V.SRINIVASA PRASAD Join Date: May 2005 Location: HYDERABAD Posts: 2,724	(...contd...) ##Please look at this: --- 2728 GODAVARI EXP 29-03-2009 HYDERABAD DECAN SAMALKOT JN GENERAL S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - SL Class -3A 1 29- 3-2009 WL 60/WL 43 WL 6/WL 2 2 30- 3-2009 WL 17/WL 16 REGRET/WL 5 3 31- 3-2009 WL 14/WL 11 WL 6/WL 2 4 1- 4-2009 WL 12/WL 9 WL 1/WL 1 5 2- 4-2009 WL 24/WL 23 WL 7/WL 4 6 3- 4-2009 WL 10/WL 8 WL 1/WL 1 .............................. ....... 2728 GODAVARI EXP 29-03-2009 KAZIPET JN SAMALKOT JN GENERAL S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - SL Class -3A 1 29- 3-2009 WL 60/WL 43 WL 6/WL 2 2 30- 3-2009 WL 17/WL 16 REGRET/WL 5 3 31- 3-2009 WL 14/WL 11 WL 6/WL 2 4 1- 4-2009 WL 12/WL 9 WL 1/WL 1 5 2- 4-2009 WL 24/WL 23 WL 7/WL 4 6 3- 4-2009 WL 10/WL 8 WL 1/WL 1 ................. 2728 GODAVARI EXP 29-03-2009 KHAMMAM VISHAKAPATNAM GENERAL S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - SL Class -3A 1 29- 3-2009 WL 60/WL 43 WL 6/WL 2 2 30- 3-2009 WL 17/WL 16 REGRET/WL 5 3 31- 3-2009 WL 14/WL 11 WL 6/WL 2 4 1- 4-2009 WL 12/WL 9 WL 1/WL 1 5 2- 4-2009 WL 24/WL 23 WL 7/WL 4 6 3- 4-2009 WL 10/WL 8 WL 1/WL 1 .............................. ........

Mar 29th, 2009, 17:05	#75
vsp27759 V.SRINIVASA PRASAD Join Date: May 2005 Location: HYDERABAD Posts: 2,724	(...CONTD...) ##In 7015 BBS-VSKP Visakha Express, there are Two Remote Location Quotas, one at VSKP and the other one at AKP. Please look at this: ------ 7015 VISAKHA EXPRESS 29-03-2009 VISHAKAPATNAM SECUNDERABAD JN GENERAL S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - SL Class -3A 1 29- 3-2009 WL 184/WL 82 WL 41/WL 29 2 30- 3-2009 WL 88/WL 37 WL 10/WL 6 3 31- 3-2009 WL 26/WL 6 WL 1/WL 1 4 1- 4-2009 WL 12/WL 10 WL 2/WL 2 5 2- 4-2009 AVAILABLE- 0005 AVAILABLE- 0001 6 3- 4-2009 WL 6/WL 3 WL 3/WL 3 ............... 7015 VISAKHA EXPRESS 29-03-2009 ANAKAPALLE SECUNDERABAD JN GENERAL S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - SL Class -3A 1 29- 3-2009 WL 191/WL 92 WL 23/WL 9 2 30- 3-2009 WL 70/WL 46 WL 13/WL 7 3 31- 3-2009 AVAILABLE- 0008 WL 4/WL 3 4 1- 4-2009 AVAILABLE- 0070 WL 3/WL 3 5 2- 4-2009 AVAILABLE- 0099 WL 1/WL 1 6 3- 4-2009 AVAILABLE- 0061 WL 4/WL 4 .............................. ........... ..whereas the General Quota is this: -- 7015 VISAKHA EXPRESS 29-03-2009 BHUBANESWAR SECUNDERABAD JN GENERAL S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - SL Class -3A 1 29- 3-2009 WL 307/WL 200 WL 26/WL 11 2 30- 3-2009 WL 121/WL 72 WL 8/WL 4 3 31- 3-2009 WL 31/WL 14 WL 11/WL 1 4 1- 4-2009 WL 20/WL 14 WL 5/WL 5 5 2- 4-2009 AVAILABLE- 0045 WL 6/WL 3 6 3- 4-2009 AVAILABLE- 0055 WL 3/WL 3 .................