RAC and seats allocation

#1 Jan 29th, 2008, 16:18
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Trying to understand how the RAC system works (which is a task requiring a lot of study and patience!), Iíve figured the following situation:

- two holders of RAC ticket are sitted in the two side chairs, in case that no other available berth is found in the carriage;
- the holder of the upper side bertk ticket (no RAC status) can have his US berth to sleep;
- during the day, the holder of the USB can remain in his berth or go down;
- the THREE passengers can stay sitted together in the LSB pulled down to accommodate three persons.

This means that the holder of CONFIRMED upper side berth ticket can risk to have his berth in a section where two RAC are allocated, and to spend all his daytime journey sitted in three in the lower side berth! In a very long train journey, this can be very uncomfortable!

Consequently: the USB is absolutely the WORST choice when booking a ticket! You can have your berth confirmed and still donít know if you will have your proper seat during the day or you will be forced to travel in such bad conditions, and this is valid for 3A and 2A class also!

Is this correct or thereís something wrong in my description?
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That is totally correct, however....

I use Side Upper a lot (mostly in Sleeper Class), and have never had the problems you mention, in theory, the 3 persons should sit on the lower berth (without the berth being raised to leave 2 seats), but I suspect that in practice, the 3rd person would sit on the long 'inside' lower berth (meant for LB, MB & UB), this long seat sits 4 comfortably.

Note- the side berths in 2-tier air con are not used for RAC passengers, only side berths in Sleeper Class (5 out of 9) and 3-tier air con (3 out of 8).

If anyone doesn't understand any of the above (both posts), just ask and I'll explain.
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I'm totally baffled.

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Originally Posted by steven_ber View Post That is totally correct, however....

Note- the side berths in 2-tier air con are not used for RAC passengers, only side berths in Sleeper Class (5 out of 9) and 3-tier air con (3 out of 8).
Sure? I have found RAC status in 2A class too requesting availability on some trains, both using erail.in and indianrail.gov.in (whose data are used by erail.in, I guess)...
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Originally Posted by Nick-H View Post I'm totally baffled.

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Sorry Nic, maybe this thread should have been posted in a special section called "Indian railways maniacs"!
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Originally Posted by gianni66 View Post Sure? I have found RAC status in 2A class too requesting availability on some trains, both using erail.in and indianrail.gov.in (whose data are used by erail.in, I guess)...
They use an 'inside' lower berth in 2A instead of a side berth.

And 3 people (daytime) on an inside lower berth would still be very comfortable.
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Originally Posted by steven_ber View Post They use an 'inside' lower berth in 2A instead of a side berth.

And 3 people (daytime) on an inside lower berth would still be very comfortable.
This sounds very logical!
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Following up with the questions in this thread, how is RAC handled in First Class (FC) and 1AC? I ask this, because FC and 1AC coaches don't have side berths.

I have booked 3 tickets in FC (non-a/c first class). Their status is RAC 1,2,3. I presume there will be just one coach for this class. Do I have to hope for 3 cancellations or just 2? Is there any chance for 3 tickets to get canceled when the total seats is just 18 (which is the case if the train has just one FC coach)?


I tried to find this information in other threads, but couldn't. If it has already been answered, please point me to the relevant thread. Thanks!
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I thought the railways has stopped RAC in FC?????

Are you sure it's FC?

I've ot some info at home about how they used to organise RAC in FC, I'll have a look and reply to this thread later today.
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Steven, Yeah, the RAC tickets I hold are indeed for FC (non a/c first class). You can verify this by checking the current reservation status for train #2671 for 12th of August'08 . It could be that the railways changed its policy recently. I'm not sure.
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Originally Posted by nsatish View Post Steven, Yeah, the RAC tickets I hold are indeed for FC (non a/c first class). You can verify this by checking the current reservation status for train #2671 for 12th of August'08 . It could be that the railways changed its policy recently. I'm not sure.
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OK, I'm shocked, yesterday I printed part of a new thread that I'm doing about understanding RAC & Waitlists, it ran to 15 pages, and I've still another 5 or so pages to add, yet I thought that RAC didn't happen in FC, I'm glad you asked the question.

I checked out the train you mentioned (and a few others) and found RAC in FC in many trains.

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Originally Posted by nsatish View Post Is there any chance for 3 tickets to get canceled when the total seats is just 18 (which is the case if the train has just one FC coach)?
As far as I'm aware, 1A carriages have 18 berths, and FC carriages have 24 berths, they say that 1A compartments are bigger, but they didn't seem bigger to me when I used them a couple of years ago, and the FC compartments didn't seem smaller when I used them last year. (if that makes sense. )

By the way, your RAC positions will move to confirmed when the reservation chart is prepared, I'm 99% sure of that, some of the reasons for this I can't mention at the moment, it would just take too long to type, but here's a few other reasons.

Only 10 berths are used for the general quota, and 2 berths are reserved for the 4 RAC seats, yet the Nilagiri Express has a full FC carriage (26 berths).

Most of the berths seem to be reserved for unknown quotas (don't ask), and these often don't get used, they're then used to reduce the waitlist when the reservation chart is prepared.

The defence quota still has all 3 berths available, again, these will be used to reduce the waitlist if they remain unsold.

Anyway, RAC ticket holders occupy the 4 seats in a 4 berth cabin (IR try not to use coupes for RAC), the 2 upper berth confirmed ticket holders use the upper berths to sleep, whilst the 4 RAC ticket holders drink beer, play cards and sing in the 4 seats below, the upper berth passengers then complain to the TTE, he then finds 2 of the RAC passengers their own berths, then the other 2 use the lower berths for sleeping.

Well, something like that, but the RAC passengers do use the lower berths (as seats) of one 4 berth cabin.

Enjoy your trip, the toy train is great and the views are stunning, one of the places the engine stops for a drink of water is by a group of tiny waterfalls (well, rapids really), but the place is so lovely that you wont want to get back on the train.
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Steve, Those are very useful information. Thanks! I'll keep the RAC tickets. I'll make sure to try the toy train.

Just a couple of more questions.

Do you know for FC if the seats are assigned at the chart preparation time (including confirmed ticket holders, just like 1AC)? Now that I'm convinced my tickets will get confirmed, I'm getting greedy now. I'm wondering if we will get all 3 tickets in the same cabin. Given that there 3 held up for defense quota, it sounds like my chances of getting 3 confirmed tickets in the same cabin are quite high.

I read somewhere that I need to "reserve" the bed rolls by contacting the station before I board the train. Do you know who to contact and how to go about this? Its not a big deal if there are no bed rolls, but just wanted to see if its easy to get them.

Thanks again.
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Dear Steven,

There cannot be more than 4 RAC either in FC or in 2AC per Coach.
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Please look at this:
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You Queried For
Train Number Train Name Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Source Station Destination Station Quota Code
2671 NILAGIRI EXP 22-10-2008 CHENNAI CENTRAL COIMBATORE JN GENERAL


S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - FC Class -3A
1 22-10-2008 AVAILABLE- 0008 AVAILABLE- 0122
2 23-10-2008 AVAILABLE- 0004 AVAILABLE- 0101
3 24-10-2008 WL 14/WL 13 WL 57/WL 53
4 25-10-2008 RAC 3/RAC 3 AVAILABLE- 0052
5 26-10-2008 AVAILABLE- 0010 AVAILABLE- 0118
6 27-10-2008 AVAILABLE- 0010 AVAILABLE- 0115
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##In Cabin-A, there will be 6 Passengers instead of the ususal Four. Out of these Six, Two with confirmed status will occupy the Two Upper Berths. The remaining Four will have to sit on the Two LBs.
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Steven, you are my new hero. What you have put together for us here regarding trains in India is a big fat gift.

Today, I bought train tickets for seven legs of my upcoming trip via www.cleartrip.com. Because of your postings, I glided right through the complexities of choosing a class and figuring out the RAC status.

Thank you!

The only thing I don't know (yet), is how to view my RAC status online. I *think* I have to do this in person at a train station once I arrive in India.

Cheers and Happy New Year,

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