Nightmarish period for IR to begin?

SHIMLA · Jul 6th, 2004, 11:50

Low-cost airlines are all set to dominate the Indian skies from this month ! With Deccan Aviation leading the way, it is only a matter of time before others follow suit.

News :

http://in.rediff.com/money/2004/jul/06deccan.htm

Where does that leave the Indian Railways??????

Amit · Jul 6th, 2004, 13:48

U cant be serious, SHimla!! Low cost airlines are never going to trouble the IR, on the other hand, I dont have the same confidence about the new Minister! ;-)

bijapuri · Jul 6th, 2004, 14:16

it's another inroad. Not too long back, IR had a monopoly on effective transport over long disances. Low cost air, fast, comfy busses, and all these cars people have now all add up. No more monopoly for IR!

-m2- · Jul 6th, 2004, 19:42

the problem for IR is that something like 70% of their passenger revenue comes from upper-class fares, which in effect, subsidize the rest. Cheap air fares are a threat to the a/c class revenues as middle-class travellers now have a reasonable option. As far as I know, Deccan is the first airline to use the same fares for non-residents as well as residents, another 'good break' for tourists.

beach · Jul 6th, 2004, 20:02

IR will not run out of business. Railway is less polluting/person traveled than any other modes of transport. Car is the worst. And the subsidy for passenger fare comes mostly from the railway’s freight income.

hash666 · Jul 6th, 2004, 21:28

god save the indian railways from laloo...

skell · Jul 6th, 2004, 21:32

Beach, you have a great picture for every subject!

beach · Jul 6th, 2004, 21:42

Thanks for that

I just had a collection of snaps taken when visited one of the rail museums here.

The photo is not of a real railway station though it appears so with the splashed coal and all. This is an old steam engine at a museum for people (kids) to explore and play with.

Wanderer22 · Jul 6th, 2004, 23:01

Thanks for the image Beach. Trains are my favorite way of seeing India. May they live long and prosper.
Has anyone ridden the steam train called the "Fairy Queen"? This web site mentions trips from Delhi.
http://www.railmuseum.org/fairy/index.html

This looks like a good site for steam buffs as well.

http://indiasteam.tripod.com/

W22

SHIMLA · Jul 7th, 2004, 20:37

Still more competition for IR in the offing, particularly for the Rajdhani Expresses between Mumbai and New Delhi :

http:// in.rediff.com/money/2004/jul/07bud26.htm

ashish0608 · Jul 8th, 2004, 11:55

Shimla, Rediff is referring to suggestions in the "Economic survey of India" ..IMO, these things if at all get implemented takes decades...good if they do it as some competition to IR is necessary.

even with the 13 hours of Drive from Delhi-Mumbai, I would take the Rajdhani..as I can read a book relaxing and sleep whenever I feel like.

SHIMLA · Jul 8th, 2004, 20:23

Quote:

Originally posted by ashish0608
..good if they do it as some competition to IR is necessary.

Ashish, though I'm an IR fan, I do agree that it certainly needs competition.

However, if as you say these things take decades to materialise, then I suppose that IR too will progress during this period and maybe it'll have a "Super Rajdhani Express" which may cover the ND-Mumbai distance in 8 or 9 hours!!

sky888 · Jul 8th, 2004, 20:58

Think the majority of the people will not make the switch as they have been so used to the rail system...

in any case, there will still be additional cost involved to travel to the airport..

so going to a nearby train station may still be an good idea for now..

Rob_The_Pom · Jul 8th, 2004, 21:03

I can't bear to think of any other way to see India than by train!

Whichever country your in (except GB) - the train has got to be the best way to travel. It brings people together like no other form of transport.
It gave me some of the most memorable contact I had with local people throughout my first trip to India.

Long live IR!

Jul 6th, 2004, 11:50	#1
SHIMLA Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Yangon, MYANMAR Posts: 4,125	Nightmarish period for IR to begin? Low-cost airlines are all set to dominate the Indian skies from this month ! With Deccan Aviation leading the way, it is only a matter of time before others follow suit. News : http://in.rediff.com/money/2004/jul/06deccan.htm Where does that leave the Indian Railways?????? __________________ Whoever said money can't buy happiness didn't know where to shop !

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bijapuri laid traps for troubadours Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Priustan Posts: 2,598	it's another inroad. Not too long back, IR had a monopoly on effective transport over long disances. Low cost air, fast, comfy busses, and all these cars people have now all add up. No more monopoly for IR! __________________ Focusing your life solely on making a buck shows a certain poverty of ambition. It asks too little of yourself. Because it's only when you hitch your wagon to something larger than yourself that you realize your true potential. Barack Obama lookit me!!!: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bijapuri/ Utube fuzzy logic: http://youtube.com/profile_videos?user=bijapuri&p =r

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beach Lost in translation Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: India ! Posts: 2,233	IR will not run out of business. Railway is less polluting/person traveled than any other modes of transport. Car is the worst. And the subsidy for passenger fare comes mostly from the railway’s freight income. Attached Thumbnails

Jul 7th, 2004, 20:37	#10
SHIMLA Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Yangon, MYANMAR Posts: 4,125	Mumbai - ND by road in 13 hours? Still more competition for IR in the offing, particularly for the Rajdhani Expresses between Mumbai and New Delhi : http:// in.rediff.com/money/2004/jul/07bud26.htm

Jul 8th, 2004, 20:58	#13
sky888 Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: sg Posts: 51	Think the majority of the people will not make the switch as they have been so used to the rail system... in any case, there will still be additional cost involved to travel to the airport.. so going to a nearby train station may still be an good idea for now.. __________________ The China Travel and Photography Forum MyChinaTrips.com

Jul 6th, 2004, 13:48	#2
Amit Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Mumbai Posts: 112	U cant be serious, SHimla!! Low cost airlines are never going to trouble the IR, on the other hand, I dont have the same confidence about the new Minister! ;-)

Jul 6th, 2004, 19:42	#4
-m2- . Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: . Posts: 1,577	the problem for IR is that something like 70% of their passenger revenue comes from upper-class fares, which in effect, subsidize the rest. Cheap air fares are a threat to the a/c class revenues as middle-class travellers now have a reasonable option. As far as I know, Deccan is the first airline to use the same fares for non-residents as well as residents, another 'good break' for tourists.

Jul 6th, 2004, 21:28	#6
hash666 Lord of the Flames Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Land of the Free Posts: 321	god save the indian railways from laloo...

Jul 6th, 2004, 21:32	#7
skell Maha Guru Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The OC Posts: 975	Beach, you have a great picture for every subject!

Jul 6th, 2004, 21:42	#8
beach Lost in translation Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: India ! Posts: 2,233	Thanks for that I just had a collection of snaps taken when visited one of the rail museums here. The photo is not of a real railway station though it appears so with the splashed coal and all. This is an old steam engine at a museum for people (kids) to explore and play with.

Jul 6th, 2004, 23:01	#9
Wanderer22 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 459	Thanks for the image Beach. Trains are my favorite way of seeing India. May they live long and prosper. Has anyone ridden the steam train called the "Fairy Queen"? This web site mentions trips from Delhi. http://www.railmuseum.org/fairy/index.html This looks like a good site for steam buffs as well. http://indiasteam.tripod.com/ W22

Jul 8th, 2004, 11:55	#11
ashish0608 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Delhi Posts: 353	Shimla, Rediff is referring to suggestions in the "Economic survey of India" ..IMO, these things if at all get implemented takes decades...good if they do it as some competition to IR is necessary. even with the 13 hours of Drive from Delhi-Mumbai, I would take the Rajdhani..as I can read a book relaxing and sleep whenever I feel like.

Jul 8th, 2004, 21:03	#14
Rob_The_Pom offcourse essentric Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seoul, South Korea Posts: 1,292	I can't bear to think of any other way to see India than by train! Whichever country your in (except GB) - the train has got to be the best way to travel. It brings people together like no other form of transport. It gave me some of the most memorable contact I had with local people throughout my first trip to India. Long live IR! __________________ The solution to your troubles is at the bottom of a glass

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