Need understanding of quota for RL

#1 Jan 1st, 2013, 10:15
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I was trying to look at availability in 16310 (PNBE-ERS) for BBS-PGT section.
On checking the availability after midnight before 8AM, I noted 2 berths each in 2A & 3A. So I assume this is the max availability & anything after this will go in RLWL. However, checking some of the earlier days randomly shows availability of upto 7 berths in 2A & 15 berths in 3A. How does this work???
I need to book 3 berths in 3A & would like to avoid a WL if possible. Please advise.
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You may be better off traveling thru MAS. Non Daily train, RL quota small.
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Originally Posted by narendra.d View Post You may be better off traveling thru MAS. Non Daily train, RL quota small.
i have explored that option as well. besides the extra cost, the problem is that BBS-MAS comes under RL quota & MAS-PGT comes under PQ quota. of course the availability is more than 2 in both cases.
i just wanted to understand how availability increases in case of RL quota...
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how about 12830+16627 or 22059+12685/12623 thru chennai
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The quota doesn't change or go up, this is just one of those trains that can sell out really fast, and get booked out very early, in my experience, this is common in non-daily trains, the trains travelling up the west coast to Gujarat can sell out in a day.

You either need to book as soon as bookings open, or book from Cuttack, it's only 28km to Cuttack, but Cuttack-Palakkad is on the General quota.
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Originally Posted by narendra.d View Post how about 12830+16627 or 22059+12685/12623 thru chennai
thanks for your suggestion. i really appreciate your going out of the way to help.
12830 is best in terms of availability, but is not daily (i was keen on leaving on fri night or sat morning). i could not find 22059 - i think you meant 22859 (Puri-Chennai). in both the cases, the MAS-PGT portion is still in PQ quota with low number of berths, thus increasing the risk of WL.
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Originally Posted by steven_ber View Post The quota doesn't change or go up, this is just one of those trains that can sell out really fast, and get booked out very early, in my experience, this is common in non-daily trains, the trains travelling up the west coast to Gujarat can sell out in a day.

You either need to book as soon as bookings open, or book from Cuttack, it's only 28km to Cuttack, but Cuttack-Palakkad is on the General quota.
Thanks Steven for the CTC suggestion. I did not imagine GN quota continues almost 840 km away from origin & this seems the closest option...

What puzzled me was that the RL quota is 2 (see 20-apr), but on some days it went up to 7 (see 05-apr). Is there some concept of unused quota from other RL segments getting merged after few days???
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Originally Posted by paramiyer View Post Thanks Steven for the CTC suggestion. I did not imagine GN quota continues almost 840 km away from origin
I didn't imagine either, I started checking stations closer to Patna, and was more and more amazed the closer I got to BBS, this means.....it's perhaps possible to buy a last minute general ticket (then upgrade via TTE) for the journey from Patna to Cuttack, because the berth of a person booking to board at Cuttack will remain free till Cuttack, it's not guarenteed, but this option works very well for short distance travel between stations in the same General quota (boarding stations).

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What puzzled me was that the RL quota is 2 (see 20-apr), but on some days it went up to 7 (see 05-apr). Is there some concept of unused quota from other RL segments getting merged after few days???
I have a theory that I can't prove, but I believe it more every day.

When we were planning the charity rail challenge, we were booking using Indrail passes, this allowed us to book before general bookings opened, I knew what trains, and watched the availability numbers as bookings opened, and every train opened minus our numbers (there were about 20 of us), so the numbers would read, 17th May - 22, 18th May 22, 19th May 2.

I don't know how the numbers are deducted before tickets go on general sale, I've heard that they're deducted automatically.

I sometimes wonder if someone has access to this method for booking General tickets.

In the previously mentioned planning, I kept an eye on various trains looking for their full quotas, and often was online the second bookings opened, and on many occasions bookings were opening with less than the full quota, significantly less on some occasions, and these routes weren't the likely routes of tourists.

I can't prove anything, but as you have noticed, bookings can open with less than the full quota.

It's only a theory.

BTW., I've never heard of quotas being released weeks or months before a train, and I've also proved in the past that confirmed tickets cancelled whilst there's still availability, doesn't increase the availability numbers, the numbers just go from

Available 1 direct to RAC/Available

So I can't think of any logical reason why availability would increase.

Much more likely is the higher number is the full quota, and the lower number means that tickets have already been sold, even if that were before the tickets went on general sale.

I have in the past noticed a rouge number, like seeing 74 berths available in 1A, but this is rare, and usually only 1 day.
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Originally Posted by steven_ber View Post The quota doesn't change or go up, this is just one of those trains that can sell out really fast, and get booked out very early, in my experience, this is common in non-daily trains, the trains travelling up the west coast to Gujarat can sell out in a day.

You either need to book as soon as bookings open, or book from Cuttack, it's only 28km to Cuttack, but Cuttack-Palakkad is on the General quota.
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Originally Posted by paramiyer View Post thanks for your suggestion. i really appreciate your going out of the way to help.
12830 is best in terms of availability, but is not daily (i was keen on leaving on fri night or sat morning). i could not find 22059 - i think you meant 22859 (Puri-Chennai). in both the cases, the MAS-PGT portion is still in PQ quota with low number of berths, thus increasing the risk of WL.
Yes, 22859 is what I meant. Again didn't check the quots that the sector would fall in. I use Opera and it does not have the IRI or erail addon. erail actually crashes the browser quite often.

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Originally Posted by paramiyer View Post Thanks Steven for the CTC suggestion. I did not imagine GN quota continues almost 840 km away from origin & this seems the closest option...

What puzzled me was that the RL quota is 2 (see 20-apr), but on some days it went up to 7 (see 05-apr). Is there some concept of unused quota from other RL segments getting merged after few days???
I was thinking GN ends somewhere near Asansol, but didn't check to confirm. I think CTC is a serious option.

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Originally Posted by steven_ber View Post I didn't imagine either, I started checking stations closer to Patna, and was more and more amazed the closer I got to BBS, this means.............


I don't know how the numbers are deducted before tickets go on general sale, I've heard that they're deducted automatically.

I sometimes wonder if someone has access to this method for booking General tickets.

I can't prove anything, but as you have noticed, bookings can open with less than the full quota.

It's only a theory.
Aside from the fact that there are quite a few people who really do plan months ahead and book, I am also thinking if Non daily trains have a variable RL/PQ quota depending on days of departure that the guys in IR have somehow figured have higher/lower demand on certain days for certain sectors. This is just a thought too with no way to prove. Got this thought while looking for iyer's train specifically.

I do not think the reduction on some days is due to booking/blocking for Indrail pass holders. It could however be some way of blocking tickets by the staff for illegal sale. Also not easy, but can't see any other reason.
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thanks steven & narendra for your insights.

this is my plan of action...

if (availability before 8am of opening day is >= 3) then
--try booking at 8am for bbs-pgt in 16310
--if successful then
----exit
--else
----go to from_ctc
--endif
endif

from_ctc:
try booking for ctc-pgt in 16310
if successful then
--apply for boarding point change offline
--exit
else
--go to via_mas
endif

via_mas:
try booking for bbs-mas in 12841
if successful then
--wait for 1 day
--try booking for mas-pgt in 12601
--if successful then
----exit
--else
----cancel bbs-mas tkt
----go to via_air
--endif
else
--go to via_air
endif

via_air
try booking for bbi-bom-cjb in indigo
if successful then
--exit
else
--cancel vacation
endif
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Originally Posted by paramiyer View Post else
--cancel vacation
endif
REPLACE cancel vacation with Go BACK to START.
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Originally Posted by narendra.d View Post REPLACE cancel vacation with Go BACK to START.
i wish that was an option. the trip is planned around someone's birthday, so dates are inflexible...
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i checked the availability today before 8AM & again noted 2 berths only in 2A/3A for BBS-PGT. i had decided to book CTC-PGT & later change the boarding point to BBS.
i was looking around for better understanding of RL quota & chanced upon this weird rule:
(ii) But when a remote location quota is utilized for purchasing the ticket by other than that station , boarding point should not be changed under any circumstances. For example, if you have purchased your ticket from Rourkela location ex: Tatanagar to Mumbai CSTM and get confirmed reservation from Tatanagar quota, boarding point cannot be changed to Rourkela.
source: http://www.eastcoastrail.indianrailw...r-services.pdf
I'm hoping this would not impact me, but doesn't this defeat the purpose of making the extra payment for a confirmed berth on another quota? In the worst case, I can travel to CTC & board from there...
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I think it will impact you if you book from CTC and then request a BP change to BBS. I would think it might be better off to board from CTC.
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Originally Posted by paramiyer View Post I was trying to look at availability in 16310 (PNBE-ERS) for BBS-PGT section.
On checking the availability after midnight before 8AM, I noted 2 berths each in 2A & 3A. So I assume this is the max availability & anything after this will go in RLWL. However, checking some of the earlier days randomly shows availability of upto 7 berths in 2A & 15 berths in 3A. How does this work???
I need to book 3 berths in 3A & would like to avoid a WL if possible. Please advise.
This can sometimes happen if someone books from any earlier station upto BBS. So if many people have booked upto BBS, since more seats are available BBS onwards, the quota shows extra seats.

I've faced this when trying to book tickets on the Karnataka Express, 1A, Bhusaval to Bangalore. There is no quota for this leg - it just says REGRET/RLWL 1. I figured bookings weren't permitted at all until I found that it was showing AVAILABLE 1 or AVAILABLE 2 etc on a few random days. So I tried a little experiment - I booked a ticket from Delhi to Bhusaval and voila! The availability for my chosen date had changed from REGRET/RLWL 1 to AVAILABLE 1 - I booked a Bhusaval-Bangalore ticket and then cancelled my Delhi-Bhusaval ticket and had a confirmed BSL-SBC one.

It is however possible that the same explanation may not be correct in your case. Not totally sure.
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