Information Mismatch of E-Rail & IRCTC site ?

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Hello friends!

I was checking the E-rail.in website for availability just a while ago,and something I found confused me :-
According to the E-rail.in website, there is 4 AC 2 tier & 14 AC 3 Tier Tatkal tickets available {Howrah to Haridwar journey} for the train Doon Express [3009] for 13th September at 1:50pm [IST]today. But,when I tried to book a ticket for the said classes through the IRCTC site,I am getting this message :- "Booking not permitted. Try some other Train/Class." But, if I select Sleeper Class, booking is possible. Also for regular AC 3 tier, booking is possible.

Any idea why that is so? And if this is experienced by everyone else, then can we really rely upon the information that can be gathered from www.erail.in website ? But, I prefer that since it's faster and easier to use without logging in.

Would appreciate some comments
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Originally Posted by exogeneric View Post Hello friends!

I was checking the E-rail.in website for availability just a while ago,and something I found confused me :-
According to the E-rail.in website, there is 4 AC 2 tier & 14 AC 3 Tier Tatkal tickets available for the train Doon Express [3009] for 13th September at 1:50pm [IST]today. But,when I tried to book a ticket for the said classes through the IRCTC site,I am getting this message :- "Booking not permitted. Try some other Train/Class." But, if I select Sleeper Class, booking is possible. Also for regular AC 3 tier, booking is possible.

Any idea why that is so? And if this is experienced by everyone else, then can we really rely upon the information that can be gathered from www.erail.in website ? But, I prefer that since it's faster and easier to use without logging in.

Would appreciate some comments
Please do not trust that site, It even shows tatkal seats available even for those trains for which tatkal facility is not availed, didn't you read the Discalimer in erail:
"This web site (eRail.in) is a privately maintained site and does not have any official connection or affiliation whatsoever to Indian Railways and related organizations, or to the Government of India, nor is it endorsed or supported by any of them in any way. Opinions expressed on this web site are solely the personal opinions of the authors and do not necessarily reflect official views of the Indian Railways or any other related organization.
THE INFORMATION AVAILABLE ON THIS SITE IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES.

I was wrong, Please read Steven's post below.
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Thanks a lot for your assistance & the prompt reply apurba1982;
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Originally Posted by exogeneric View Post Thanks a lot for your assistance & the prompt reply apurba1982;
You are welcome!!
Interestingly I had quite a same experience while I was checking Tatkal in Upasana Express for the same destination as yours. It always shows 70 vacant seats in SL. But checking with the official site I found it does not have even the facility of TATKAL booking, Fortunately I searched for it much before my day of journey, and at last got myself with RAC in SL in Upasana for 22nd September.
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e-rail is a very useful site. Use it at the planning stage of your journey to help you find our which trains go where. Once you get to the booking stage you have to go to irctc or one of the other authorised sites anyway. If you are comfortable with the irctc site, and know what you want, then yes, you might as well start there.

e-rail is a tool. Use it if it helps you. I like it!
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Question Is there a AC 2& 3 tier for a Tatkal Category in Doon Express?

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Originally Posted by Nick-H View Post e-rail is a very useful site. Use it at the planning stage of your journey to help you find our which trains go where. Once you get to the booking stage you have to go to irctc or one of the other authorised sites anyway. If you are comfortable with the irctc site, and know what you want, then yes, you might as well start there.

e-rail is a tool. Use it if it helps you. I like it!
Yes,like you I was also a user of that site, and I came to know about it's existence from this Forum only. Anyway, can it be confirmed whether Doon Express has AC3tier & AC2tier under Tatkal category? Because,though one cannot Book those classes using the IRCTC site,but Doon Exp shows up when one searches for Tatkal tickets for those classes for a Howrah to Haridwar route.

Any information about that would be very helpful.
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Originally Posted by exogeneric View Post but Doon Exp shows up when one searches for Tatkal tickets for those classes for a Howrah to Haridwar route.
Where did you see this? Which site? IRCTC?
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Yes Apurba1982, just search for the said classes in IRCTC site, for a Tatkal ticket and you will see the name of Doon EXP comming up. But availability showing "Not available" or something like that.
Erail shows availability for the same, so this is all so confusing;
By the way,which are the places you are seeing this time around? I would be travelling the same distance in Doon a day after you do.
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Originally Posted by apurba1982 View Post Please do not trust that site,
Harsh words really.

erail displays info taken from the Indian Railway server, only erail has dedicated far more time (than Indian Railways) to make it's website more user friendly.

Howrah-Haridwar doesn't have Tatkal, Howrah-Dehra Dun does have Tatkal, erail automatically connects Haridwar & Dehra Dun to give you more options.

It also automatically connects....

Varanasi + Mughal Sarai
Agra Fort + Agra Cant
Pathankot + Chakki Bank
Coimbatore + Podanur
Trivandrum + Kochuveli
Madgaon + Vasko

The list goes on and on, but you won't find these stations connected on the Indian Railway website, it simply doesn't care.
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Today Morning , i also faced same issue. Erial.in shows ticket available for 24-OCT , when booked , i got 115 Waiting :-)

So looks like there is big mismatch btw erail.in and IRCTC
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Originally Posted by steven_ber View Post Harsh words really.

erail displays info taken from the Indian Railway server, only erail has dedicated far more time (than Indian Railways) to make it's website more user friendly.

Howrah-Haridwar doesn't have Tatkal, Howrah-Dehra Dun does have Tatkal, erail automatically connects Haridwar & Dehra Dun to give you more options.

It also automatically connects....

Varanasi + Mughal Sarai
Agra Fort + Agra Cant
Pathankot + Chakki Bank
Coimbatore + Podanur
Trivandrum + Kochuveli
Madgaon + Vasko

The list goes on and on, but you won't find these stations connected on the Indian Railway website, it simply doesn't care.
Dear Steven, That is why you are genius in this field. We all forgot while posting that tatkal is available for full distance, not for the stations in between.. I am sorry for using harsh words to erail...yes it does take care of a lot of things..sometimes even better than the official indian rail sites.
Thanks for the info and best of regards..
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Question Is Tatkal Fare for a Part Journey possible at present ?

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Originally Posted by steven_ber View Post Harsh words really.

erail displays info taken from the Indian Railway server, only erail has dedicated far more time (than Indian Railways) to make it's website more user friendly.

Howrah-Haridwar doesn't have Tatkal, Howrah-Dehra Dun does have Tatkal, erail automatically connects Haridwar & Dehra Dun to give you more options.

It also automatically connects....

Varanasi + Mughal Sarai
Agra Fort + Agra Cant
Pathankot + Chakki Bank
Coimbatore + Podanur
Trivandrum + Kochuveli
Madgaon + Vasko

The list goes on and on, but you won't find these stations connected on the Indian Railway website, it simply doesn't care.
Thanks a lot Steven_ber for your explanation!
The problem is solved putting Dehradun in place of Haridwar while searching,the availability is same as is seen in E-rail site. So,there is no information mismatching,at least in this case,one does needs to understand it a little better!

However,putting Haridwar in place of Dehradun for a Tatkal Sleeper Class ticket can be booked but not AC2 & AC3 Tier class,as I mentioned above. That makes me wonder if the Tatkal rule for different classes different for each other or not.

Also I read in the Newspapers that one does not have to pay for the entire length of the train's route for a Tatkal ticket anymore as was the rule earlier. Isn't that being enforced yet? If so,then isn't it possible to have a Tatkal AC2 or AC3 tier ticket for Asansol to Haridwar in Doon Express[3009]?
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As Steven put so much better than I tried to say: e-rail is a huge help to those of us who have only a clue about where we are going and how to get there. Try approaching irctc with only the names of two big multi-station cities in your head!

Having got the information that you need from e-rail, one can approach irctc armed even with the station codes, and navigate it easily. Just realise that e-rail, not being official, has its limitations, and ultimately, the availability you see on irctc is what counts. Even if one has to go back and forth between the two sites a couple of times, e-rail can be helpful.

Even if you use the Indian Railways site to select your trains, and then book on irctc, you can find the availability has changed by the time you get to the actual moment of booking.
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Originally Posted by exogeneric View Post Hello friends!

I was checking the E-rail.in website for availability just a while ago,and something I found confused me :-
According to the E-rail.in website, there is 4 AC 2 tier & 14 AC 3 Tier Tatkal tickets available {Howrah to Haridwar journey} for the train Doon Express [3009] for 13th September at 1:50pm [IST]today. But,when I tried to book a ticket for the said classes through the IRCTC site,I am getting this message :- "Booking not permitted. Try some other Train/Class." But, if I select Sleeper Class, booking is possible. Also for regular AC 3 tier, booking is possible.

Any idea why that is so? And if this is experienced by everyone else, then can we really rely upon the information that can be gathered from www.erail.in website ? But, I prefer that since it's faster and easier to use without logging in.

Would appreciate some comments
Sorry I disagree with you as you may have not correctly seen the both data. This happen to lot of users. Lot of users does not know how to use eRail.in. It never show seat availability wrong because the data has to come from Indian railway server only. Some time user see the cache postion of the searched route. There is a link provided for current status in the same screen at the top. Also some time user does not see the correct Orgin and destination station (As erail show nearby station also in the list) Seat availability differ for each station. If you can send me Screen shot of the both site i can prove you where you went wrong. eRail has more then 1 Lakh hits per day and it is the best ever site to search Indian Trains.
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Originally Posted by exogeneric View Post Thanks a lot Steven_ber for your explanation!
The problem is solved putting Dehradun in place of Haridwar while searching,the availability is same as is seen in E-rail site. So,there is no information mismatching,at least in this case,one does needs to understand it a little better!

However,putting Haridwar in place of Dehradun for a Tatkal Sleeper Class ticket can be booked but not AC2 & AC3 Tier class,as I mentioned above. That makes me wonder if the Tatkal rule for different classes different for each other or not.

Also I read in the Newspapers that one does not have to pay for the entire length of the train's route for a Tatkal ticket anymore as was the rule earlier. Isn't that being enforced yet? If so,then isn't it possible to have a Tatkal AC2 or AC3 tier ticket for Asansol to Haridwar in Doon Express[3009]?
This Rule will come in effect from 1st Octomber.

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