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The following diagrams have been hidden away in an old thread, so this thread will be easier to find for new members.

(EDIT, there seems to be a problem with some diagrams not loading, I'm sure it will be resolved soon, if the diagrams don't appear, you can view them in this post, though you may find some of the info below useful)

These are the layout diagrams for most classes on Indian Railways, all the diagrams are for broad gauge carriages, metre gauge carriages are rare now, and they don't have side berths, narrow gauge carriages are a totally different design.

You can find many sets of carriage layout diagrams on the net, but sadly, they're ALL incorrect, this is because they're all based on the original Indian Railways carriage layout diagrams, and they were all very wrong, I doubt the person who designed those original diagrams had ever set foot on a train, I spent many weeks searching the Internet when I originally done my diagrams 2 years ago, and I couldn't find a single correct diagram, I searched again yesterday, and had the same results.

First, a description diagram that you'll need to refer to when looking at the other diagrams.




Carriage code = the letter for your carriage, for example, 'S' is the carriage code for Sleeper Class, so S4 would be the 4th Sleeper Class carriage.

Seat/berth number on confirmed ticket, you'll find the carriage code and your seat/berth number on your ticket, for example, S4 36, this will mean you're in the 4th Sleeper Class carriage (S4 will be written on the side of the carriage) and you'll have berth 36, a lower berth, next to S4 36 on your ticket, you will also find LB (lower berth).



Carriage code H, First Class air con (1A)
, berth numbers in 1A are only decided a few hours before the train departs, you will only see CNF (confirmed) on your ticket.





Carriage code HA, First Class air con + 2-tier air con combination carriage






Carriage code A, 2-tier air con (2A)





Carriage code A, 2-tier air con (2A), an alternative ending




Carriage code AB, 2A & 3A combination carriage (pdf), I don't have a diagram for these carriages as I've never seen any of these carriages, they have half a 2A carriage (24 berths) and half a 3A carriage (32 berths).



Carriage code B, 3-tier air con (3A)






Carriage code G, 3-tier air con in Garib Rath trains, at the time I done these diagrams the side middle berths were being used, I don't know if this is still the case, there are a few different designs of Garib Rath carriages, and berth numbers can be different.





There is also a 3E (3-tier air con economy) carriage, but I've no experience with these carriages and no diagram.



Carriage code F (or FC), First Class nom AC (FC)
, berth numbers in FC are only decided a few hours before the train departs, you will only see CNF (confirmed) on your ticket.





Carriage code S, Sleeper Class (non AC)(SL)
- (Sleeper Class in detail with photos)



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Chair classes

Chair carriages vary, and it's very difficult to say what particular design of carriage is used on individual trains, especially in non AC chair carriages, Shatabdi Express carriages have a slightly different design, and I don't have a diagram, but many Jan Shatabdi Express carriages have carriages similar to these diagrams below.


Carriage code C, Air Con Chair Car (CC), type 1





Carriage code C, Air Con Chair Car (CC), type 2






Carriage code D, bookable 2nd class seat (non AC)(2S) type 1 (used on an increasing number of trains)





Carriage code D, bookable 2nd class seat (non AC)(2S) type 2
(being slowly replaced by type 1)





There is also a chair class on daytime Shatabdi Express trains called Executive Chair Class (ECC), though on timetables the class is described as 1A, the carriage code for these carriages is E, I do not have a diagram for ECC and have seen 2 designs, both similar, 4 seats across (2 x 2), 1 is a window seat, 2 and 3 are aisle seats, 4 is a window seat, repeat till you get to seat 48 in some carriages (pdf), and 60 in others (pdf), with 32 out of the 60 having a table, but facing 2 other seats.


Carriage code J, Garib Rath air con Chair Class (CC)
, I don't know if all Garib Rath chair cars are designed in the same way.




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There are an increasing number of newer carriages, called LHB carriages, they're used on many Rajdhani Express trains, Duronto Express trains, and the Shalimar Express, these carriages are longer and have increased capacity.

In 1A LHB carriages there's an extra 4 berth cabin and also an extra 2-berth coupe, giving a total of 24 berths.

In 2A LHB carriages there are 54 berths, add 47 and 48 to the earlier 2A diagram, then add an extra section of 6 berths to get the LHB layout.

In 3A LHB rakes there are 78 berths, just add another section of 8 berths to the earlier 3A layout.

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Oh, I forgot a carriage.

Carriage code HELL, 2nd class non AC unreserved (II)






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Carriage code HELL, 2nd class non AC unreserved (II)
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Excellent work again, Steve.

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Great information! Thank you, Steven!
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Carriage code HELL, 2nd class non AC unreserved (II)
while II class is packed with people in a lot of trains/times, it is not always necessarily true. You will/might have trains/trips where the II class compartment is virtually empty and you can have all the space you want.
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Originally Posted by narendra.d View Post while II class is packed with people in a lot of trains/times, it is not always necessarily true. You will/might have trains/trips where the II class compartment is virtually empty and you can have all the space you want.
True. But highly unpredictable (at least to a foreign doofus like me). See also the recent GN class, maybe you'll want to add some thoughts there. (Seriously, would be most welcome.)
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Deleted!! Wonder why I cannot re-upload any attachments. Providing the previous links (Copy image url) is not bringing up the graphics!!
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Wow. Thank you for these. They are really helpful!

Couple of questions though (and it's late so please forgive me) but I was trying to see on your diagrams where we are sleeping but I couldn't.

We have booked a sleeper class and have 32 and 34 reserved (I thought they were opposite each other but fro,m your diagrams they are not). We also have lower berth 41 and 44 reserved on a 2ac.
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My upcoming trip to India includes 8 train trips covering 5772 KM. Your information about the India rail system is invaluable. Thank you Steven_ber.
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Steve, on my machine at least the majority of your diagrams are now missing (contrary to when you'd originally posted, they were all there). Any ideas on why that might be?
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Originally Posted by Lbr102 View Post Wow. Thank you for these. They are really helpful!

Couple of questions though (and it's late so please forgive me) but I was trying to see on your diagrams where we are sleeping but I couldn't.

We have booked a sleeper class and have 32 and 34 reserved (I thought they were opposite each other but fro,m your diagrams they are not). We also have lower berth 41 and 44 reserved on a 2ac.
That's a couple of crap combinations.

Sleeper Class, 32 is a side upper berth (SU on ticket) and 34 is a middle berth (M or MB on ticket) in the next section.

2A, 41 is a side lower berth (SL) and 44 is an upper berth (UB) in the next section.

Look at the diagrams, and then at the description diagram to get a better understanding.
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<cross-posted with Steve just now. It's alway possible btw to speak to your fellow passengers and/or the TTE (ticket examiner) to see if you can swap seats/berths. Whether it will happen then remains to be seen, of course, but people are generally quite forthcoming with it. Certainly if you're male-female, or a family, or a couple of females, or a couple of foreigners, it will be perfectly understood you'd like to be together, and people will tend to try and make amends. So now maybe with the head of the family sleeping elsewhere, but the women and children together, perhaps chaperoned by one of the older lads, that sort of thing. If you're say two foreigners let alone male and female, I'd say it would be almost unthinkable for you to not be somehow seated together, so no matter what seats you booked. I've seen TTE's making short work of anyone who doesn't want to comply, no, you go there, they go here, end of story. But it's generally really easily and cordially arranged just with your fellow passengers.>

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Originally Posted by Lbr102 View Post Couple of questions though (and it's late so please forgive me) but I was trying to see on your diagrams where we are sleeping but I couldn't.

We have booked a sleeper class and have 32 and 34 reserved (I thought they were opposite each other but fro,m your diagrams they are not). We also have lower berth 41 and 44 reserved on a 2ac.
I may be misunderstanding you, but your seat converts into a berth by night. So maybe hence your confusion.

(What happens is you have a bench (two bays of them) for say usually three or two people below. There is one berth overhead, on each side, that always stays in place. Now by night, you pop up your back rest, and voilà, this makes for a middle berth. So, hence your two or three berths in a row, with now two pairs of such facing one another. Yes, they're all duly supported by chains and stuff, it's not scary. What's more, those chains keep you from rolling out.)

http://www.seat61.com/India.htm#classes Again is good for getting a general feeling of how this all works.
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Originally Posted by Drews60 View Post My upcoming trip to India includes 8 train trips covering 5772 KM. Your information about the India rail system is invaluable. Thank you Steven_ber.
Wow, that'a a lot of travel, a very high average.

My next trip lasts 22 days and only has 2 train trips, 173km and 193km, hardly long enough to get comfortable.


Mach, I have the same problem, even when I click on edit, they're not there, I've inserted a link to the originals for the moment and asked the mods to look into the disapearing diagrams,
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Originally Posted by steven_ber View Post Mach, I have the same problem, even when I click on edit, they're not there, I've inserted a link to the originals for the moment and asked the mods to look into the disapearing diagrams
Very odd. Anyway I'll leave them to fiddle with it for a few days then, then be back on it if necessary.

That's another damn good bit of work you did there, so hope it's resolvable. (Well, you'll have the originals.)
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Originally Posted by Drews60 View Post My upcoming trip to India includes 8 train trips covering 5772 KM. Your information about the India rail system is invaluable. Thank you Steven_ber.
Drews, I'm not great at remembering every member, but I seem to remember you've been to India before, am I getting you mixed up with someone else?

What classes will you be using?

I'm doing a few new threads each explaining a little about different classes, including photos and comparisons to other classes, though nothing anywhere near as detailed as the Sleeper Class thread, but can't make my mind up what class to cover first.

EDIT, ignore the following, I'm just trying to see if a photo from the photo gallery can be placed into a post.



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