Indian Railways - All About First AC

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Seeing that a large number of queries on the forum deal with First AC and its various aspects, I thought I'd write a separate piece on it that would (hopefully!) be able to answer some of the frequently asked questions about it and help fellow travellers. So, here goes:



What is First AC?
First AC (Abbreviated to 1A on IRCTC and the Indian Railways website) is the highest class of travel Indian Railways offers on normal trains (ie this excludes luxury trains like the Palace on Wheels or the Golden Chariot, which are meant to be a holiday in themselves and not a mere method of travel from A to B). It is also the most expensive class, and usually costs almost double the fare of the next most expensive class, the AC Two Tier Sleeper. (For a brief overview of all the classes Indian Railways has to offer, see this link). Here are some price comparisons with other AC Classes (Fares as of May '12):

For the Mumbai-Delhi route, on the Rajdhani, fares are:
AC First (1A): Rs 3,730
AC Two Tier (2A): Rs 2,185
AC Three Tier (3A): Rs 1,495

Delhi-Jaipur (On the normal Ahmedabad Mail):
AC First: Rs 1,015
AC Two Tier: Rs 600
AC Three Tier: Rs 404

Goa-Mumbai (On the super-popular Konkan Kanya Express):
AC First: Rs 2,030
AC Two Tier: Rs 1,190
AC Three Tier: Rs 782

What do I get for this price?
Good question. (Okay, I asked it, but anyway). The main differences between First AC and other AC Classes on the Indian Railways are privacy and space. There are a total of 18 passengers in a First AC Coach (Newer coaches and the German-designed LHB First AC Coaches can seat 22-24 passengers). There are also 'half' First AC coaches where half the coach is First AC and the other half AC Two Tier or AC Three Tier, but don't worry about them now. The First AC Coach consists of an arrangement of cabins (which seat/sleep 4 people) and coupes (which seat/sleep 2 people). These cabins and coupes have sliding doors and can be bolted from the inside. Berths in a First AC Coach are wider (and are better cushioned) than those in other classes. Each cabin/coupe also has a 'bell' switch, which when pressed summons the attendant of the coach. (I've almost never done this - the attendant's functions would primarily be to convert your seat into a berth at night - seen on some trains, but I see no real point in dragging him to the cabin to do something one can easily do oneself - the attendant sometimes also helps in getting the necessary vendors to your cabin - I had a very enthusiastic such attendant on the Mangalore-Chennai Express; unsurprisingly he did come angling for tips at the end; on giving him fifty bucks he was so pleased that he carried my luggage out of the coach once we reached Chennai ). However, this varies from attendant to attendant. Most First AC Coaches also have 'toilet occupancy indicators' in each cabin, which tell you whether the toilets of the coach are vacant or occupied.

Here is a photo of the corridor of a First AC Coach on the Delhi-Bangalore Karnataka Express:



The doors to the various cabins/coupes are on the left here, as you can see.

BELOW: A differently-liveried darker corridor of the First AC Coach of the Mangalore-Chennai Express. This coach is divided;one half is First AC, then a door (visible at the end of the corridor, and the other half AC Two Tier)



The newer German-design LHB First AC Coaches look much swankier. See this link for a picture of the corridor. Most Rajdhani and Duronto Expresses have these coaches. (Photo not mine, copyrights to Akshay Gupta)

Okay, so you've seen the corridor. But what do the actual interiors look like?

Well, to follow a cliché, a picture is worth a thousand words. A video would be even more so, I would think! Here are three videos of the interiors of a First AC Coach.

This video is one of the interiors of a conventional First AC Coach on the Mumbai-Howrah Mail. I have not taken this video, so all credits/copyrights to the original videographer.

This video on the other hand is of the interiors of a German-design LHB First AC Coach on the Jammu-Delhi Duronto Express. (Again, not my video)

In both these cases the videographers were placed in coupes (with only two berths). Yet another video is taken from a four-berth cabin. I hope with these videos, you now have a basic idea of what to expect in a First AC Coach. A small disclaimer though, these videos are all of new (and well-maintained) First AC Coaches. There are many incredibly old First AC Coaches in operation on the Indian Railways too, and luck (Or the train you're travelling by) will determine whether you get a new one or an older one. However, the layout and premise is the same; the First AC Coach is divided into lockable four-berth cabins and two berth coupes.

To revisit the question of space, compare the number of passengers in a First AC coach to the total number of passengers in a coach in the other classes of accommodation:

AC First: 18-24
AC Two Tier: 46-54
AC Three Tier: 64-72
Non-AC First Class (Very rare): 26
Sleeper Class (Non AC): 72-78
Unreserved Second Class: Officially 90, in actuality as many people as can be crammed into the coach!

As all these coaches are the same length (excluding comparisons between normal Indian-made and German-made coaches), it becomes easy to see how much more space each passenger gets on an average in First AC. There are other advantages too; there are less passengers using each toilet (Toilets in First AC are generally far better maintained than those in other classes)



Is it worth paying almost double the AC Two Tier fare to travel First AC? That's a personal choice and varies across people (and budgets!). At the end of this post, I will outline some arguments for and against travelling First AC, some situations where it makes sense and situations where it doesn't. Hopefully, after reading this, you will be in a position to decide for yourself without the debate.

How do I book a First AC Ticket?
The same way you book any other ticket on the Indian Railways. You can go to the counter, fill in the reservation form (mentioning '1A' as the class of travel), fill in passenger details, mentioning your preferences (Lower Berth/Upper Berth/Coupe Preference). Keep in mind that mentioning these does not in any way guarantee that you'll get them. If booking online, simply choose '1A' or 'First AC' while booking. For information regarding how to book train tickets, do visit other threads and articles, such as Booking Indian Rail Tickets from Abroad and Knowing the Indian Train.

I booked a ticket on First AC, but there's no coach or berth number!! Help!!

Calm down. This is normal for both First AC and First Class (Non-AC). If you've bought a ticket at a railway counter (or an i-ticket), in the place where coach and berth numbers are usually mentioned, you'll just see "CONFIRMED" printed.

(This is an old ticket of mine - a Non-AC First Class ticket. The same system is followed for First AC)



In the case of an e-ticket (A ticket bought online), under the column "Passenger Details", specifically under the "Booking Status/Current Status/Coach No./Seat No" box, it usually says:

CONFIRM 0000/

(I don't have a scan of an e-ticket of this nature now, and will upload one when I do).

What tends to confuse (and scare!) many travellers is the '0000' where the coach and berth numbers should be mentioned. Don't worry. The difference between First AC (And Non-AC First Class) and the other classes is that in all other classes, coach and berth numbers are allotted automatically by the system when you book your ticket. However, in First AC/First Class, the coach and berth numbers are allotted manually by railway staff when the train's chart is prepared. This is not to say that you show up at the train and some guy allots you a berth! Rather, when the train's chart (the list of passengers travelling by the train, along with their seat/berth numbers, which is pasted on each coach of the train) is being prepared, the railway staffer will decide which passengers are allotted in which cabins and coupes. This data is fed into the system, and printed on the charts. This is usually 3-4 hours before the train departs (Or the previous night if the train departs from its origin before 11 in the morning). You can check your ticket's status on the Indian Railways Website through this link. Enter your PNR number (This is the ten digit number printed on the top-left corner of your ticket) Admittedly, the website can be quite confusing and has an infuriating number of pop-ups, but that's the way it is.

Why does this manual allocation occur only for these classes (First AC and First Class)? Well, this is mainly because of the fact that doors can be bolted. Seat allocation is done manually to
(a) prevent a single female traveller from being paired with a strange man in a coupe/three strange men in a cabin;
(b) to ensure that important officials/government servants/politicians travelling First AC are allotted coupes.

If the chart of the train has not been prepared, the "Current Status" column on the website - the all-important column (I've highlighted it with a green circle in the image below) will simply state something like this:

CNF

(Or W/L followed by your current wait-list number, if you've purchased a wait-listed ticket)



Your coach and berth numbers will be mentioned only once the train's chart is prepared (Whether the chart has been prepared or not can be ascertained by looking at the column I've highlighted with a blue circle)

Once the train's chart has been prepared, the "Current Status" column will change to something like this (Again, see the green and blue circles):



People tend to get confused here as well. Look at the "Current Status" box (above) again. The letters before the comma (HA1) indicate the coach number. First AC Coaches are numbered in the following manner:

If it is a full First AC Coach, it will be numbered H1.
If it is a composite coach (Half First AC and half AC Two Tier), it will be numbered HA1.
If it is a composite coach (Half First AC and half AC Three Tier), it will be numbered HB1.



(Very few trains have more than one First AC Coach on a regular basis; I can only think of seven at the moment)

Anyway. The letter after the comma is not your berth number! Rather, it corresponds to the number of the cabin/coupe you have been allotted. A normal (full) First AC coach has three four-berth cabins and three two-berth coupes. A 'half' First AC Coach has two four-berth cabins and one two-berth coupe.

The following coach diagrams (These are not my diagrams, credits go to steven_ber - to look at the diagrams in more detail please visit this thread) might throw more light on this. The first diagram is of a full First AC Coach. (I must make a small correction here, the cabin/coupe numbering should run the other way - so the leftmost cabin is A, and the rightmost cabin F)

Thus, in a full First AC Coach, 4-berth cabins are numbered A,B and F and the coupes are C,D and E




In a half First AC Coach, A and B are cabins and C is a coupe.




So, looking at that above PNR again, you can see that the passenger was allotted a berth in coupe C of a half First AC Coach*. (I hope I haven't bored everybody to sleep with this long explanation!)

Hold on, so I can choose any berth in the cabin/coupe I'm allotted?
No. You have to go to your coach and look at the chart pasted on it. Your name will be mentioned under the cabin/coupe you were allotted. If your name is mentioned after the letter L you have a lower berth; if it's after the letter U you have an upper berth. Generally, the older you are, the more likely it is you will be allotted a lower berth.

I'm travelling by myself/with Person X. I want a two-berth coupe!
Yes, everybody does! Unfortunately, there's no way of knowing whether you'll be allotted one or not. If your train has a half-First AC Coach it becomes even more difficult because there's only one coupe available. However, the chances of getting a coupe are higher if
(a) two people are travelling;
(b) the two are married (ie with the same surname);
(c) the berth preferences are one lower and one upper (or "coupe preference" is selected when booking at a counter)
(d) there are few (or no other) couples (ie two passengers on one ticket) travelling;
(e) there are no important officials/politicians travelling.

You can submit a request to the Chief Reservation officer of the station from where you're boarding requesting a coupe, but you'll need a good reason to get it ahead of other couples travelling. The clever (though slightly unethical! ) dog trick is one. While many feel it is impossible to get a coupe if travelling alone, this is not really true - it depends on the demographics of people travelling and the railway staffer. I travelled alone four times by First AC in the last year and was allotted berths in a four-berth cabin twice and a coupe twice, making it entirely even When I travelled with another relative making it two passengers on one ticket (This has happened twice), we were allotted coupes both times.

So, do remember that there is no guarantee of getting a coupe. Luck plays a major factor in this regard.

[EDIT] As suggested by paramiyer, I am including a method to check how many First AC coaches exist in your train, which will allow you to gauge how many coupes exist, and thus your chances of getting one.

Step 1: Go to http://indiarailinfo.com
On the top of the page there will be a box that says "train" (highlighted with a green circle).



Step 2: Start entering the number of your train (Or, if you don't know the train's number, enter the train's name). It will provide suggestions:



Step 3: Click on the correct suggestion. The "train" box will change colour and provide you further options. Click on "Time-Table"



Step 4: The train's details will be displayed on the new page, like this. You need to look at the green "Rake/Coach Composition" box:



If the composition mentions H1, then you have a full First AC Coach. If it mentions HA1, HA2, HB1, etc you have a "half" First AC Coach in the train. Remember, a full First AC Coach is much better than a half First AC Coach if you want a coupe. In the above example, the train (Bangalore Mail) has H1 mentioned, which means it has a full First AC Coach (Yay!!)

The rake composition may also be displayed like this:



In which case, you need to see if the "1A" or "1AC" has 1 or 0.5 mentioned against it. If the former, it is a full First AC Coach, if the latter, it is a "half" coach.

(If you don't know the train's name/number or are selecting trains from a list on the indiarailinfo website, just click on the train you want, and the same "Rake/Coach Composition" box will pop up)

I know this (having to do all this to find out how many coupes exist on the train) is tedious, but hey, I didn't invent the system!

Is food included in the ticket fare of First AC?
If the train is a Rajdhani or Duronto Express, yes. On a normal train, no. You will have to pay extra to purchase meals; even a bottle of water.

I heard you can carry dogs in First AC?
Yes, you can carry a dog in First AC/First Class. Dogs cannot be carried along with you in the coach in any other class. However, the carrying of the dog in First AC is subject to the following conditions:
(a) You must have reserved an entire two-berth coupe or four-berth cabin [If you don't have the entire coupe/cabin and other passengers object to the dog, the dog will have to travel in the 'dog box' in the guard's van, which will probably be the most traumatic experience ever for your dog]
(b) You must purchase a luggage ticket for the dog at the luggage booking office. See the below paragraph from the Indian Railways Website:
"A passenger traveling in First Air condition class or first class may take a dog into the compartment only with the concurrence of fellow passengers on payment of charges vide Clause(1). The charges are to be prepaid. If fellow passengers subsequently object to the dog remaining in the compartment, it will be removed to the Guard's van, no refund being given. Dogs detected unbooked with the passenger in IA and Ist class compartments will be charged six times the Luggage scale Rate subject to a minimum of Rs.50/-. A lady travelling alone with children under 12 years of age in a first class compartment may take with her in the compartment one dog on payment of charges at the Dog Box Rates,subject to a minimum of Rs.10/-provided that if another lady enters the compartment, the dog can only be allowed to remain in the compartment with her consent"

This can be quite a convoluted process, though. Read this blog for a narration of one such event.

So, should I travel First AC?

Well, as I said, this is a totally personal choice! However, reasons many people cite for travelling First AC vis-à-vis AC Two Tier (or other classes) are:

Security
The ability to keep the door of your cabin/coupe bolted from the inside. No other class (except First Class Non-AC) offers this; even in AC Two Tier and AC Three Tier, the only 'protection' offered is a curtain. Thus, for people carrying expensive luggage (For example, if you're a photographer and are carrying all your camera equipment), the door could provide peace of mind. For people worried about personal harm while travelling on the train, First AC might seem the best option. Having said this, cases of molestations on trains are hardly that common, and every class of travel does have chains under the lower berth to which one can lock luggage. Also, to emphasise the point made by Dave, cabins/coupes can be bolted only from the inside - you cannot do so from the outside. However, this is unlikely to be a major problem as
(a) Indian trains do not have dining cars (there is just one that does, and it doesn't have First AC), so the chances of being away from your berth for extended periods of time are unlikely;
(b) First AC coaches are usually at an extreme end of the train (ie right at the front or back). Thus, not too many people move through a First AC coach to get to another coach. Seeing that there are far less people in a First AC coach, the chances of someone flitting in and stealing your belongings are very low.
In essence, simple prudence goes a long way towards ensuring one's safety (and the safety of one's belongings). Still, a personal choice..

Privacy
Interaction in First AC is extremely low. Generally, the higher the class, the less the interaction. This can be a plus or a minus depending on your orientation and the purpose of your travel. Once, I happened to visit Chennai (I live in Bangalore)the day before an exam of mine, and booked myself to return by the overnight Bangalore Mail. I chose First AC on that occasion primarily to improve my chances of not being in a coach full of crying babies throughout the night (I always seem to get placed next to babies, I think the reservation system doesn't particularly like me). Of course, disturbances do occur in First AC, but their likelihood is lower. I was allotted the upper berth in Coupe C with a senior citizen and managed a very quiet night, waking up in the morning at Bangalore and going to write my exam later that morning. The paper went very well, so perhaps the moral of the story is to travel First AC the night before your exam

Food and Service
Primarily in the Rajdhani Expresses, especially the Delhi-Mumbai and Delhi-Calcutta Rajdhanis. Here, food is prepared personally in the Pantry Car and passengers have much more choice (Unlike the other classes where food is prepared and packaged at intermediate stations and loaded onto the train). However, this is applicable more only to premium trains. Even in normal trains, however, First AC passengers tend to get better service.

Availability

Generally, First AC is the last class to fill up on a train, courtesy its high rates. However, due to the low number of seats in a First AC Coach, even low wait-lists may not confirm in it.

If you're travelling alone and there are many berths available in AC Two Tier/AC Three Tier, it may make much more sense to book those rather than First AC, as you can immediately decide which berth you want and know instantly after booking your ticket whether you have. In First AC, you have to wait till the last minute and will only know whether you have a Lower or Upper Berth once you get to the train. Conversely, if you're travelling in a group (especially of two or four), and there are very few AC Two Tier or AC Three Tier berths available, you might want to book First AC to ensure you're all seated together.

I think that's about all I had to say (whew!). I hope I've acknowledged all the external sources I've used (If not, please do contact me and I'll add the necessary acknowledgements). Despite my best efforts, there might be errors which other members can point out. Comments and criticism are always welcome.

As a last postscript, Shatabdi Expresses also show First AC ("1A") availability. This is actually termed Executive Class and is not the same as the First AC I've described throughout the article. Rather, this is a chair-car arrangement with wider seats and better service, like this:



Image from wp7713's gallery on Indiamike, the entire gallery can be seen here.

*German LHB First AC Coaches have a different cabin/coupe configuration.
Last edited by aarosh; Dec 19th, 2012 at 00:45.. Reason: Made corrections (As suggested by paramiyer, dipyamanbasu Dave W) The last image was not showing up.
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Excellent Summary! Perhaps it should be turned into an Article...

One thing to note is the the cabin cannot be 'locked' in the right sense of the word. Perhaps 'bolted' is a more appropriate term...
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Originally Posted by paramiyer View Post One thing to note is the the cabin cannot be 'locked' in the right sense of the word. Perhaps 'bolted' is a more appropriate term...
To be precise they can be bolted from the inside only - so you cannot leave your luggage locked in the compartment if you are not there.
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Dear Dave and Paramiyer

That is a very valid point you've raised, that might have potentially mislead tourists. I've made corrections and added the necessary acknowledgements. Also, are all the images appearing? Some appeared and then blanked out.

Thanks!
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Originally Posted by aloke_m View Post Dear Dave and Paramiyer

That is a very valid point you've raised, that might have potentially mislead tourists. I've made corrections and added the necessary acknowledgements. Also, are all the images appearing? Some appeared and then blanked out.

Thanks!
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Images are appearing fine to me, thanks!

One suggestion would be to have people check the actual 1A coaches used in the train (indiarailinfo.com is quite reliable). Knowing whether you have H1 or HA1 in the train helps figure out the number of cabins & coupes available, which help assess probability of getting a coupe...

Example: Puri-Hwh has 2 HA coaches with 10 1A & 20 2A berths each (instead of a full 1A coach with 18 berths & a full 2A coach with 46 berths). This means only 2 coupes (instead of 3) are available.
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Originally Posted by paramiyer View Post Images are appearing fine to me, thanks!

One suggestion would be to have people check the actual 1A coaches used in the train (indiarailinfo.com is quite reliable). Knowing whether you have H1 or HA1 in the train helps figure out the number of cabins & coupes available, which help assess probability of getting a coupe...

Example: Puri-Hwh has 2 HA coaches with 10 1A & 20 2A berths each (instead of a full 1A coach with 18 berths & a full 2A coach with 46 berths). This means only 2 coupes (instead of 3) are available.
paramiyer

Good suggestion. I think that you mean "1 coupe (instead of 3)" for HA1

Photos are showing fine for me.
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Good suggestion. I think that you mean "1 coupe (instead of 3)" for HA1

Photos are showing fine for me.
1 coupe per HA coach... with 2 such coaches (HA1 & HA2), there are 2 coupes in the train. sorry if i confused you further.
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Excellent Article. However it needs a bit of correction/modification:

1. "For the Mumbai-Delhi route, on the Rajdhani, fares are: "

You would need to mention the name of the Rajdhani.
Also, one should note that fare for Rajdhanis/Durontos/Shatabdi usually vary due to the quantum of major meals served. You may compare the fare for Mumbai-Delhi route itself for all the major Rajdhanis.

After this, kindly refer to the following link:
http://www.indianrailways.gov.in/rai...CC26OF2010.PDF

2. "Newer coaches and the German-designed LHB First AC Coaches can seat 22-24 passengers"

Non-LHB (Full1st AC) has 18 berths: 3 Cabins and 3 Coupes with 4 and 2 berths each.
LHB and Hybrid LHB has 24 berths. 4 Cabins and 4 Coupes with 4 and 2 berths each.

3. "AC Two Tier: 46-52"

Non-LHB has 46 berths.
LHB usually has 52 berths.
Some of the trains having old LHB Coaches (I.e. the trains who were one of the first ones to get LHB) has 54 (Some Rakes has them)

For ex:- Mumbai Rajdhani.

4. "This video on the other hand is of the interiors of a German-design LHB First AC Coach on the Jammu-Delhi Duronto Express. (Again, not my video)"

JAT Duronto has Hybrid LHB.

5. "As all these coaches are the same length (excluding comparisons between normal Indian-made and German-made coaches)"

The technology used is that of German. However some of these coaches are manufactures in India as well by ICF and RCF. They are essentially the so called Hybrid LHB's.

6. "The difference between First AC (And Non-AC First Class) and the other classes is that in all other classes, coach and berth numbers are allotted automatically by the system when you book your ticket."

When one applies for emergency quota, manual allocation takes place.
Only those passengers who books confirmed tickets (Not Waitlisted/RAC) are allotted coach and berth/seat numbers automatically by the system.

7. "You can submit a request to the Chief Reservation officer of the station from where you're boarding requesting a coupe"

Request should preferrably be submitted to CCM as he would have more authority and power than that of CRS. One may also approach DRM/ACM/DCM.

8. "I know this is tedious, but hey, I didn't invent the system!"

I would call it user-friendly!

9. "(a) You must have reserved an entire two-berth coupe or four-berth cabin"

One should rather book either 2 passengers or 4 passengers in a single ticket to get the dog booked along with them ; as well as secure a coupe or a cabin.

In the above scenario, objection of co-passengers shall not come into picture.

10. "(a) Indian trains do not have dining cars,"

Deccan Queen has it.
Howrah Rajdhani used to have it. Now, it does not. Talks are going on tor reintroduce it.
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Dear Dipyaman,

I agree with most of the points you've raised. However, the main aim of this article was to help tourists who have no idea about First AC, seeing the large number of queries about it. However, I didn't want to make the article too long and technical (It already looks a bit like that, unfortunately). So with regard to many of the points, I tried to keep it simple rather than be very precise.


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Originally Posted by dipyamanbasu View Post Excellent Article. However it needs a bit of correction/modification:

1. "For the Mumbai-Delhi route, on the Rajdhani, fares are: "

You would need to mention the name of the Rajdhani.
Also, one should note that fare for Rajdhanis/Durontos/Shatabdi usually vary due to the quantum of major meals served. You may compare the fare for Mumbai-Delhi route itself for all the major Rajdhanis.
Both the main Rajdhanis (the Mumbai Rajdhani and the AK Rajdhani) have the same fare. I have ignored the special Rajdhani service fares as these trains are periodical. The main point of providing the fare comparison was to provide a brief illustration of costs across classes.


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2. "Newer coaches and the German-designed LHB First AC Coaches can seat 22-24 passengers"

Non-LHB (Full1st AC) has 18 berths: 3 Cabins and 3 Coupes with 4 and 2 berths each.
LHB and Hybrid LHB has 24 berths. 4 Cabins and 4 Coupes with 4 and 2 berths each.
Yes. However, newer (Non-LHB) First AC Coaches have 22 berths; four cabins and three coupes. I didn't want to mention this in detail to avoid confusing passengers. There are such coaches on the Karnataka Express which I've seen (A 1A coach with serial number SW10002 is an example)

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3. "AC Two Tier: 46-52"

Non-LHB has 42 berths.
LHB usually has 52 berths.
Some of the trains having old LHB Coaches (I.e. the trains who were one of the first ones to get LHB) has 54 (Some Rakes has them)
Non-LHB 2A coaches have 46-48 berths, not 42. With regard to some LHB coaches having 54 berths, I'll make the necessary correction to the article.


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4. "This video on the other hand is of the interiors of a German-design LHB First AC Coach on the Jammu-Delhi Duronto Express. (Again, not my video)"

JAT Duronto has Hybrid LHB.
Correct, but mentioning this won't help a tourist reading up about First AC for the first time.

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5. "As all these coaches are the same length (excluding comparisons between normal Indian-made and German-made coaches)"

The technology used is that of German. However some of these coaches are manufactures in India as well by ICF and RCF. They are essentially the so called Hybrid LHB's.
Again correct, but adding too much detail (About how we indigenously manufacture LHB coaches now) would only serve to confuse the tourist, so I left this out.

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6. "The difference between First AC (And Non-AC First Class) and the other classes is that in all other classes, coach and berth numbers are allotted automatically by the system when you book your ticket."

When one applies for emergency quota, manual allocation takes place.
Only those passengers who books confirmed tickets (Not Waitlisted/RAC) are allotted coach and berth/seat numbers automatically by the system.
This I did not know. Thanks for the update. But again, I don't know if mentioning this will help travellers much in the context of this thread;after they understand the basics, they could learn this. But this is meant to be an introductory article.

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7. "You can submit a request to the Chief Reservation officer of the station from where you're boarding requesting a coupe"

Request should preferrably be submitted to CCM as he would have more authority and power than that of CRS. One may also approach DRM/ACM/DCM.
What is the full form of CCM - Chief Commercial Manager? I'll make the necessary amendment.

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8. "I know this is tedious, but hey, I didn't invent the system!"

I would call it user-friendly!
I am not talking about the indiarailinfo website which I personally find extremely useful. I'm talking about the fact that one has to go through all this trouble to even figure out his/her chances of getting a coupe. If the Indian Railways could just publish rake composition data on a user-friendly website, it would vastly help passengers.

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9. "(a) You must have reserved an entire two-berth coupe or four-berth cabin"

One should rather book either 2 passengers or 4 passengers in a single ticket to get the dog booked along with them ; as well as secure a coupe or a cabin.

In the above scenario, objection of co-passengers shall not come into picture.
Agreed.

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10. "(a) Indian trains do not have dining cars,"

Deccan Queen has it.
Howrah Rajdhani used to have it. Now, it does not. Talks are going on tor reintroduce it.
True, but as the Deccan Queen has no First AC, it's not really relevant to this article. To say, "the Deccan Queen has a dining car" here would not really serve much purpose.

Please do tell me if/when the Howrah Rajdhani gets a dining car; I'll correct the article accordingly.
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Yes. However, newer (Non-LHB) First AC Coaches have 22 berths; four cabins and three coupes. I didn't want to mention this in detail to avoid confusing passengers. There are such coaches on the Karnataka Express which I've seen (A 1A coach with serial number SW10002 is an example)
Am not aware of it then. Would try and see this train sometime at YPR. Thanks for the information.

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Originally Posted by aloke_m View Post Non-LHB 2A coaches have 46-48 berths, not 42. With regard to some LHB coaches having 54 berths, I'll make the necessary correction to the article.
I meant 46 only. It was a mistype. Apology for the error.

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Yes. You may have a look here for reference.
http://indiarailinfo.com/blog/post/305680

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Originally Posted by aloke_m View Post True, but as the Deccan Queen has no First AC, it's not really relevant to this article. To say, "the Deccan Queen has a dining car" here would not really serve much purpose.

Please do tell me if/when the Howrah Rajdhani gets a dining car; I'll correct the article accordingly.
I will. For now, you may have a look here:
http://indiarailinfo.com/blog/post/232229
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Since there have been several queries on this topic recently, especially on the cabin/coupe issue, I thought I'd bump this up.
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@aloke m, awesome piece of information. Thanks. Never traveled in First AC, though traveled in Non Ac First class. Very different I guess. Sometime will travel First Ac in Mumbai - Delhi Rajdhani.

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Aloke, Wow, wonderfully detailed info, great thread.

I can't believe this is the first time I've seen this thread, there was one hell of a party in May, must have lost a few days afterwards.
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Wow, Aloke. I think I love you.

I was able to find out that two trains I booked 1AC have sole first class coaches. That's cool. I also learned one of them is usually 6 hours late. That's less cool, but hopefully we'll be sitting tight in our 1st class coupe.
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Thanks for the appreciation!

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Originally Posted by shahronakm View Post @aloke m, awesome piece of information. Thanks. Never traveled in First AC, though traveled in Non Ac First class. Very different I guess. Sometime will travel First Ac in Mumbai - Delhi Rajdhani.

Ronak.
The Mumbai - Delhi Rajdhani would be a good choice to sample First AC, I hear travellers are treated very well on it. I have however never travelled on it myself to verify this!

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Originally Posted by steven_ber View Post Aloke, Wow, wonderfully detailed info, great thread.

I can't believe this is the first time I've seen this thread, there was one hell of a party in May, must have lost a few days afterwards.
Must've been a terrible hangover, that!

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Originally Posted by Arrowman View Post Wow, Aloke. I think I love you.

I was able to find out that two trains I booked 1AC have sole first class coaches. That's cool. I also learned one of them is usually 6 hours late. That's less cool, but hopefully we'll be sitting tight in our 1st class coupe.
Haha, delayed trains aren't the most fun, but if one must be delayed, why not on the most opulent class? Though of course, a lot must be said for the life in the cheapest classes.
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