How to consider chances on the waiting list?

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#1 Jan 9th, 2008, 23:24
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Hello,

What a great forum, IndiaMike.com! - Just joined it....

My family*and I*are travelling to India in February 2008 together with another family. In total we are 7 people (4 adults and 3 children).

During our vacation we wish to travel with the train from Pune to Madgaon (Goa) on February 12th.
I have spotted train number 2780 leaving Pune 16.30 arriving in Madgaon 5.40. Class 2A.
Perfect departure for us, I think!

Right now the availability in the IRCTC booking website indicates "WL 5 / WL 5". Looking into other threads, I think, that 5 persons are on the waiting list, and nobody has cancelled yet. Right?

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Is it correctly understood, that 12 tickets need cancellation in order for me to get my tickets? How likely is it, that my tickets get confirmed - by your best guess and experience? Is this the high season, so I should expect, that not a lot of passengers will cancel?
Might it be, that extra coaches are brought into the game?

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It seems, that it is*only possible to book tickets for up to 6 persons at a time. How can I make sure, that I make the booking for all seven people, and that we will placed together in the train? If I book two tickets of 4 and 3 seats each, will we then be sitting together - 4 and 3 respectively?
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Obviously I have to book I-tickets, since there is a waiting list. If I book the tickets now to join the waiting list, what will then happen?
Will the tickets be sent to my Indian address (hotel in Mumbai) - or will it only be sent after some time, when the tickets get a particular status (RAC or whatever....)?
Will the payment take place at once, when the tickets are sent?

Thanks a lot,
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With kind regards
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Hello Rosenberg-Larsen and welcome to indiamike.com

I've no time to reply, but 1 quick question....

Will you be going from Pune or travelling from somewhere close to get to Pune for the train?

I'm assuming the train you mention is the Goa Express, if so, it's a very busy train, the people of Pune have long been asking for another train to Goa.

Look 60 days ahead to find out how many berths are allocated to the Pune-Madgaon section. (has 3A alot more berths?)
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Hi Steven_Ber,

Thanks a lot for the fast reply.

We are travelling from Mumbai to Pune by car on 11/2. Have an appointment in Pune 12/2 at 10.00 o´clock.
After that we just want to leave to Goa, and this departure just looked perfect. You´re right - it is the Goa Express.

As you suggest, I have tried to look 60 days in advance to check the seats. I wasn´t able to do it - I guess, that availability checking is closing together with the booking at 23.30 IST.
What would exactly be the point of looking for that? To get an impression of, how many seats are totally in the train - to estimate possibility of cancellations?
I am not sure, that I familiar enough with things to understand, what you mean with "how many berths are allocated to the Pune-Madgaon section"...?
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I will try to answer:

1. I think you will need 12 cancellations

2. I will book in the batch of 6 and 1. In this way you can ask one of the person to move and adjust for you. It will be difficult when you ask 3 of them to adjust and move. TC can sometime help in this.

3. I am taking a guess here - Tickets will be sent to your Mumbai Hotel address with "Waitlisted" status. and payment takes place as soon as waitlisted tickets are issued


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Try looking for the status for a date like 12th January. You will have a good idea how many tickets get cancelled in 2 AC till its only 4 days for the journey to take place. Check other close dates like 11th, 13th and 15th January to get a better idea.

Try booking in 3rd AC/1st AC. I have observed that AC waiting list moves very slow. If it was Sleeper Class there is close to 100 % chance the waiting of 4 will clear and you will atleast get RAC.
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First, your train problem.

There seems to be only 6 x 2A berths allocated to people using the train between Pune and Madgaon, so your chances of cancellations are slim, 3A doesn't look any better, so you may have a problem, and I can only think of 2 possibilities, neither are ideal.

1, an overnight bus.

2, a train from Panvel to Goa.

It will take you 2 to 2.5 hours to get to Panvel from Pune, as there are 7 of you, some sort of taxi along the expressway would be best.

The bad thing about the train from Panvel is the departure time - 00:30 (so you'd have to book for 13th), the good thing about this option is that this train is better for north Goan beaches.

Train 0111 departs Panvel daily at 00.30, gets to Pernem at 09:08, Thivim at 09:26, Karmali at 09:48 and Madgaon at 10.45

You would have to book 3-tier air con, there are 89 berths available in 3A for the 13th Feb, but these berths will go fast.
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Thumbs up

Vir:

Good advice to book 6 + 1. I see the point. One of the persons, my son of six years, can easily squeeze himself in together with the rest.

I have tried to search the next days in January. Cancellation does not seem to happen very often.

Steven Ber:
Thanks for the info regarding the number of berths. I see, why cancellations rarely occur.
And esspecially thanks for the advice regarding travelling from Panvel. My wife and I actually also saw this as an alternative yesterday evening.
There is a train 'Mandovi Express' going from Panvel 8.30 arriving at Madgaon 18.45 on 13/2. 15 available seats on 2A. This way we will also experience the landscape during daylight hours. I have heard, that this should be a quite beautiful journey.
Can this departure be recommended?

Since there are available seats, I guess I should go for e-tickets, right? Wouldn´t that be the more feasible option for the foreign traveller?
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Yes, the Mandovi Express is a good option, I took this train myself about 15 months ago, the scenery is good.

What beach are you going to?

An E-ticket is the best option if there is availability.

One more thing, when booking, you will get the option of a free upgrade to 1A (if 2A is waitlisted and 1A has availability), don't tick the free upgrade box, there are 7 persons travelling and no hope that all 7 will be upgraded, so the group would be split.
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I am very impressed of the advices, I see people getting in this forum - and the speed they come with. Thanks a lot, Steven ber!

IRCTC is down at the moment, so I can´t book right now.
When it is up, I will book 2A on the Mandovi Express.

We are going to Betalbatim beach - south of Goa. We found a good hotel (we believe), and the beaches should be nice there.
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Hi Guys,

Now I have booked two e-tickets for the Mandovi Express, 0103.
Booking and payment went really smoothly!

Ticket 1:
HA1/0002/ CONFIRMED
HA1/0004/ CONFIRMED
HA1/0019/ CONFIRMED
HA1/0020/ CONFIRMED
HA1/0006/ CONFIRMED
HA1/0005/ CONFIRMED

Ticket 2:
HA1/0010/ CONFIRMED

As I understand the data, both tickets have seats in the same coach (HA1 is a couch, right?). But almost nobody is sitting together (as I understand the fine chart of Steven_Ber: http://www.indiamike.com/photopost/s...sort/1/cat/500)
Will this change during the chart preparation of the train, or are the assigned seats finally settled?

Can I in any way influence things, so that the 7th person on ticket 2 is placed with the other six?
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Have you booked in 1A or 2A?

I think HA1 is a coach that contains both.
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What a strange combination of berths (if 2A), and there's little you can do to change it, just ask other passengers to change, however, most will be boarding in Mumbai and will be settled by the time the train gets to Panvel.

Berths 1 & 2 are wonderful, as close to 1A as you can get (meaning size, space and privacy).
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Dear Larsen,

Will this change during the chart preparation of the train, or are the assigned seats finally settled

##Yes,Sir. This is final allotment, no changes during final charting. However, you can make 'adjustments' with the co-passengers, which should not be a difficult task, as it is only a day-journey.

##Out of 7 Passengers,

**Four are in One Bay (2,4,5,6)
**One in next bay (10)
**Two in next-next bay (19,20)

(@@In a Bay, there will be only 6 Berths).

##The Berths Nos.1 & 3 are earmarked for RAC Passengers, so no chance of adjustment with them unless they move to confirmed status during charting.
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Dear Steven,

Have you booked in 1A or 2A?

##Berth Numbers are NOT indicated in the Journey Ticket for 1A Passengers. :-)

I think HA1 is a coach that contains both.

##You are right.
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Originally Posted by vsp27759 View Post ##Out of 7 Passengers,

**Four are in One Bay (2,4,5,6)
**One in next bay (10)
**Two in next-next bay (19,20)

(@@In a Bay, there will be only 6 Berths).

##The Berths Nos.1 & 3 are earmarked for RAC Passengers, so no chance of adjustment with them unless they move to confirmed status during charting.
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Hello VSP, great to see you here again, my knowledge of the railways is always improved when I read your replies.

I'm confused though.....

The seat positions you mention, are you saying they're different from those in the HA1 carriage in this diagram?

(I know that diagram is wrong for Sleeper class, but just wondering about the other classes)

In those diagrams, I'm sure seat 1 (in 2AC), seat 1 (in 3AC) and seat 3 (in 2AC) all seem wrong to me, are they correct?
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Dear Steven,

Right at the moment (IST.19.25 hrs./10.1.2008) Mr.Bharat Moro of IRFCA is travelling in HA1 Coach of 2760 Charminar Express. I got the lay-out from him over phone.
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When you enter the coach, the following is the arrangement:
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1...LB/2....UB/3...LB/4...UB#PATH#5....SLB/6...SUB
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7...LB/8....UB/9...LB/10..UB/#PATH#11...SLB/12..SUB
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13...LB/14..UB/15..LB/16..UB/#PATH#17...SLB/18..SUB
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19...LB/20....UB.............#PATH#
@@@@PARTITION-WALL@@@@@entrance to IA@@@@

##By the way, the Berth Nos.1 & 3 are NOT earmarked for RAC, as was the case in normal 2A Coach.
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Originally Posted by vsp27759 View Post When you enter the coach, the following is the arrangement:
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1...LB/2....UB/3...LB/4...UB#PATH#5....SLB/6...SUB
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7...LB/8....UB/9...LB/10..UB/#PATH#11...SLB/12..SUB
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13...LB/14..UB/15..LB/16..UB/#PATH#17...SLB/18..SUB
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19...LB/20....UB.............#PATH#
@@@@PARTITION-WALL@@@@@entrance to IA@@@@
Great info, thanks. (would '1...LB' be a window seat during the day?)

I have always thought that seat/berth 1 (in SL, FC, 1A, 2A and 3A) is a window seat during the day, is this correct? (if so, every diagram in the above link is wrong, that wouldn't surprise me)

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Originally Posted by steven_ber View Post Berths 1 & 2 are wonderful, as close to 1A as you can get (meaning size, space and privacy).
Make that berths 19 & 20, not 1 & 2.
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