For seat availability, is it the Boarding Point or the Start station?

#1 Oct 15th, 2011, 19:42
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Suppose, I reserve a ticket from Ratlam (RTM) to Ernakulam (ERS), and keep the boarding point as Ahmedabad then why is the seat quota being determined from AHM.

To make things more clear, checking availability for 3A from RTM to ERS, I get this



But, later in the page when I change the boarding point to AHM while keeping the starting station for journey as Ratlam, I get this.




Why did my current availability change from "Available 8" to "WL1/WL1"?
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Reservation Quotas are determined by the Boarding point, Simple.
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AHM is halfway between Allahabad and Varanasi.

ADI is Ahmedabad.

You changed the boarding point to BRC (Vadodara).

Ratlam to ERS has a different quota than Vadodara to ERS, when you change the boarding point, you are then given the availability from that boarding point.

This is to stop anyone from Baroda (or ADI) from abusing the system, instead, book from Ratlam, say you're boarding at Ratlam, then, once you have your ticket, change the boarding point to BRC.
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But, its not always valid....

Like from Mumbai to Amritsar,



Kota to Amritsar,



But, if I book ticket from Mumbai but keep boarding point as Kota, I get availability of Mumbai..




So, I am perplexed... Whats the exact rule?
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Originally Posted by steven_ber View Post AHM is halfway between Allahabad and Varanasi.

ADI is Ahmedabad.

You changed the boarding point to BRC (Vadodara).

Ratlam to ERS has a different quota than Vadodara to ERS, when you change the boarding point, you are then given the availability from that boarding point.

This is to stop anyone from Baroda (or ADI) from abusing the system, instead, book from Ratlam, say you're boarding at Ratlam, then, once you have your ticket, change the boarding point to BRC.
But, as I said in my second post, this isn't always valid.
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Originally Posted by shadyabhi View Post But, as I said in my second post, this isn't always valid.
##Henceforth, before attempting the booking, check the quota-availability from both the stations, namely, from where you want to pay the Fare and from where you want to actually board the train.

##By the way, Ahmedabad WOULD NOT come in the path of 2978 Marusagar Express which runs between Ajmer and Ernakulam via Jaipur, Sawai Madhopur, Ratlam, Vadodara, Vasai Road.........
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(....contd....)
*12925 PASCHIM EXPRESS 12-1-2012 BANDRA TERMINUS AMRITSAR JN GENERAL
S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - 2A Class -3A
1 12- 1-2012 AVAILABLE 22 AVAILABLE 73
2 13- 1-2012 AVAILABLE 27 AVAILABLE 70
...............
*12925 PASCHIM EXPRESS 12-1-2012 KOTA JN AMRITSAR JN GENERAL
S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - 2A Class -3A
1 12- 1-2012 AVAILABLE 4 AVAILABLE 17
2 13- 1-2012 AVAILABLE 1 AVAILABLE 11
3 14- 1-2012 AVAILABLE 10 AVAILABLE 2
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##So, even if you pay Fare from BDTS, but give Kota as Boarding Point, you will be booked against Kota-ASR Quota only.
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@vsp27759

As you said that I would be booked against Kota only, that means its the Boarding point that matters. This contradicts with my first post...

My concern is to know the exact rule, whether its boarding point or the starting station. In the first example, its the Boarding point while in second, its Starting statin.
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It's always boarding point.

If the tickets on the Kota quota were waitlisted, then a Mumbai-Amritsar, with boarding point at Kota would be waitlisted, even if there were berths available from Mumbai.
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In my second post For seat availability, is it the Boarding Point or the Start station? , its the starting station, not the boarding point. THAT'S what I am trying to imply here.
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@shadyabhi: See my first post. For Quota determination, it is always the Boarding Point that matters, not the station from where you pay the fare.
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Originally Posted by shadyabhi View Post But, if I book ticket from Mumbai but keep boarding point as Kota, I get availability of Mumbai..
So, I am perplexed... Whats the exact rule?
##If you have actually booked the ticket, and paid Rs.1307+20=1327 means, then you have paid BDTS-ASR Fare, but you got the Berth under KOTA-ASR Quota only. This also means you have unnecessarily paid additional amount, because once you give Kota as your Boarding Point, your ticket is NOT valid for BDTS-KOTA Journey, and the Fare for the untravelled portion WILL NOT be refunded to you, as per the prevailing Instructions.

##Please take a look at this:
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Fare Enquiry
You Queried For
Train Number Train Name Date
(DD-MM-YYYY) Source Station Destination Station
*12925 PASCHIM EXPRESS 17-10-2011 BANDRA TERMINUS AMRITSAR JN
Train Type Distance (kms)
SUPERFAST 1821
Fare/Charges Class -- Third AC
Base Fare 1252
Reservation Charges 25
Superfast Charges 30
Other Charges 0
Total Amount 1307
============================== =====
*12925 PASCHIM EXPRESS 18-10-2011 KOTA JN AMRITSAR JN
Train Type Distance (kms)
SUPERFAST 913
Fare/Charges Class -- Third AC
Base Fare 843
Reservation Charges 25
Superfast Charges 30
Other Charges 0
Total Amount 898
==============================

##So, virtually, you have lost Rs.1307 minus Rs.898 = Rs.409!!!
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((...contc...)

##I repeat, but please take a look at this:
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12925 PASCHIM EXPRESS 14-1-2012 BANDRA TERMINUS KOTA JN GENERAL
S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - 3A Class -SL
1 14- 1-2012 NOT AVAILABLE NOT AVAILABLE
2 15- 1-2012 NOT AVAILABLE NOT AVAILABLE
..............
You Queried For
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(DD-MM-YYYY) Source Station Destination Station Quota Code
12925 PASCHIM EXPRESS 14-1-2012 BANDRA TERMINUS SAWAI MADHOPUR GENERAL
S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - 3A Class -SL
1 14- 1-2012 NOT AVAILABLE NOT AVAILABLE
2 15- 1-2012 NOT AVAILABLE NOT AVAILABLE
..............
12925 PASCHIM EXPRESS 14-1-2012 BANDRA TERMINUS BHARATPUR JN GENERAL
S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - 3A Class -SL
1 14- 1-2012 NOT AVAILABLE NOT AVAILABLE
2 15- 1-2012 NOT AVAILABLE NOT AVAILABLE

[So, BDTS-KOTA/BDTS-SWM/BDTS-BTE Booking is NOT allowed by 2925]
============================== ==============
12925 PASCHIM EXPRESS 14-1-2012 BANDRA TERMINUS AMRITSAR JN GENERAL
S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - 3A Class -SL
1 14- 1-2012 AVAILABLE 52 AVAILABLE 161
2 15- 1-2012 AVAILABLE 86 AVAILABLE 164
...................
12925 PASCHIM EXPRESS 14-1-2012 BANDRA TERMINUS NEW DELHI GENERAL
S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - 3A Class -SL
1 14- 1-2012 AVAILABLE 52 AVAILABLE 175
2 15- 1-2012 AVAILABLE 98 AVAILABLE 171
..................
12925 PASCHIM EXPRESS 14-1-2012 BANDRA TERMINUS MATHURA JN GENERAL
S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - 3A Class -SL
1 14- 1-2012 AVAILABLE 52 AVAILABLE 175
2 15- 1-2012 AVAILABLE 98 AVAILABLE 171
.....................
12925 PASCHIM EXPRESS 14-1-2012 VALSAD MATHURA JN GENERAL
S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - 3A Class -SL
1 14- 1-2012 AVAILABLE 52 AVAILABLE 175
2 15- 1-2012 AVAILABLE 98 AVAILABLE 166
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Boarding Point

But there is a loophole . You are allowed to change your boarding point by giving 72 hrs advance information to the starting station. So you can avail the starting station quota ..though you will lose some money as already pointed out
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(......CONTD....)
12925 PASCHIM EXPRESS 14-1-2012 SURAT MATHURA JN GENERAL
S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - 3A Class -SL
1 14- 1-2012 AVAILABLE 4 AVAILABLE 41
2 15- 1-2012 AVAILABLE 18 AVAILABLE 44
...............
12925 PASCHIM EXPRESS 14-1-2012 VADODARA JN MATHURA JN GENERAL
S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - 3A Class -SL
1 14- 1-2012 WL 1/WL 1 AVAILABLE 46
2 15- 1-2012 AVAILABLE 14 AVAILABLE 45
...............
12925 PASCHIM EXPRESS 14-1-2012 RATLAM JN MATHURA JN GENERAL
S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - 3A Class -SL
1 14- 1-2012 WL 1/WL 1 AVAILABLE 46
2 15- 1-2012 AVAILABLE 14 AVAILABLE 45
................
12925 PASCHIM EXPRESS 15-1-2012 RAMGANJ MANDI MATHURA JN GENERAL
S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - 3A Class -SL
1 15- 1-2012 WL 1/WL 1 AVAILABLE 46
2 16- 1-2012 AVAILABLE 14 AVAILABLE 45
...........
[Kindly note that BRC-MTJ and RMA-MTJ Quota is one and the same, but the passengers from RMA cannot book Tatkal Ticket along with those from BRC, because the date changes!!!]

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