Carriage layout diagrams, PLEASE give feedback.

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#1 May 1st, 2009, 18:47
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I've completed some carriage layout diagrams, and a description diagram, these will be used for a new article on indiamike, but I need feedback before I send them for the article.

What I need to know.....

Are the carriage layout diagrams clear enough?

Can they be easily understood? (look at the description diagram as well)

Is there anything important missing from any of the diagrams?

Are the colours OK?

In the description diagram, Are there any descriptions that are not easy to understand?

I will be adding some description details after each layout diagram when I post the article, and also 3 or 4 large photos of each class.

I will also be replacing the description diagram with a new one, the one below is too crowded.

Please suggest any improvements or anything that's difficult to understand, any changes are easy to do now, but a lot more difficult to do once the article has been posted.

Comments are equally welcome from experienced rail travellers and those who've never used Indian trains, and it would be nice to hear from new members as well as established members.

Thanks for any comments.



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#2 May 1st, 2009, 18:58
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#3 May 1st, 2009, 19:03
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I think the descriptions, diagrams and colors are fine.
Lot of Indiamikers will be thanking you.
Good job
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Excellent, even better than SD Enterprises and once again

Suggestions

* Include photographs as these will add to the ability of people to make sense of the diagrams.

* Include typical labels like A1, B1, HA1 S7 etc as I once got very confused when allocated an AC2 bunk in a mixed compartment and couldn't quite believe I had a bunk. The labels could help people anticipate better what awaits them

* Include a typical train layout/ ordering of carriages as several people who asked me for help at stations were confused and worried about where was the best part of the platform to wait

* Include the famous phrase "Don't Panic"
#5 May 1st, 2009, 19:13
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Pretty damn good I'd say. Must have taken ages!

I think the idea of having description with every diagram is a good one. The most important, I think , is to communicate which seat is lower/middle/upper, which could be achieved with a small key on each diagram. (or suffix "^" for upper, "<" for middle etc), although having seen the description diagram, its already pretty clear.

If you are re-doing the description diagram, you might be able to make it a little clearer, if you can figure out how to cut and paste your text, without the "aliasing" appearing around the text - are you using Microsoft Paint?

There's a great freeware graphics editor called Paint.net, which should get you around this problem, and allow the text to remain as text rather than graphics, to allow you to edit it more easily.

I'm only suggesting this as you asked for comments on "possible" improvements, as its already pretty damn good!
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Great Job
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Hey Steven: What is the purpose of this new design of carriages. Are you going to recommend these new layouts to the Railway Board in New Delhi or is it just a pet project of your's. I haven't looked at the layouts in detail, yet.
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Great work Steve was clear for me. Would be good to get feed back from new members who have not reached there full knowing of the Indian Train System.
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Originally Posted by Uncle_Martin View Post * Include typical labels like A1, B1, HA1 S7 etc as I once got very confused when allocated an AC2 bunk in a mixed compartment and couldn't quite believe I had a bunk. The labels could help people anticipate better what awaits them
Those are carriage references, aren't they? It is confusing that they can look like classes, but not be.

Yes, a "typical" train composition, with its carriage references, would be a very useful thing, but I have no idea how much they vary. Porters seem to know what carriage will be where!

Another great contribution, Steven
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The photos you put up a few weeks/months back were really good too.
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Wow, thanks for all the feedback, I'll reply to every point later.

The train composition idea is a great one, I done this in the 'RAC & Waitlist' article, I'll copy it and post it here later, but I can already think of a better way of doing the same thing.

Wow, I'm glad I started this thread now, I didn't get too many replies in the first thread I posted on this subject, but the ideas put forward already will make for a better article.

Thanks everyone.

And yes, replies from people not used to Indian trains would be useful.

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Hey Steven: What is the purpose of this new design of carriages. Are you going to recommend these new layouts to the Railway Board in New Delhi or is it just a pet project of your's. I haven't looked at the layouts in detail, yet.
These are the actual carriage layouts used on the trains today, I wanted to do this type of article because the Indian Railway carriage layout diagrams are wrong, every single one of them, all wrong.
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I Haven't travelled in 1AC yet.. but the pictures uploaded by steven_ber has provide me with some knowledgeable information
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1. Garib Rath 3A
The 3A coaches has only 75 berths. Berths 73-75, is almost a "private cabin." [Photo]

2. You left Garib Rath CC, Executive CC (Shatabdi Express) and 2S (Jan Shatabdi).

3. Garib Rath CC
It's a 3x3 seating type. [Photo]

4. Do you know that some have spotted even a 1A cum 3A coach? Some trains even have PS1 (like H1, B3, S9, D2, etc.). It's partly Pantry Car and partly 2S.

5. The first diagram - "Description diagram" needs work. The words aren't comfortable to read. Too much information and make anyone confuse.

6. All in all, awesome work.
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Excellent work, Steven. Very useful.

Some suggestions for the description diagram:

- Use "Str" horizontally rater than "STR" vertically.

- Don't use "C" for cupboard as it's used for other purposes. And does everyone understand the word? Would "cabinet" be better? (In which case use "Cab"). But then maybe that would confuse with "Cabin"... Didn't spot "C" used in the carriage layouts.

- When describing Cabin A there are two "Lower number"s.

- For the circled seats 56 and 52 it might be better to say "Blue circle indicates an emergency window which can be opened for unrestricted view." My immediate thought was that the note referred to all seat numbers!

- For the wash hand basins you needn't say there's a basin inside and outside the toilet - the elipse indicates that.

- The elipse in the rectangle note could say "Basin under foldaway table". It's obvious that it would be fixed.
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I'll do a reply to all the suggestions now, but whilst I'm doing that, have a look at the following, it's a very quick train configuration diagram, is the first one better or the 2nd?

Both are a little naff, but in my opinion there's no value in spending a load of time trying to get a better train configuration diagram, as a basic one should be enough.

But I'll still listen to suggestions, and again, I want the diagram to be easily understandable, so all comments are welcome.

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