Boarding train on CKWL ticket

#1 Jun 16th, 2010, 21:06
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I have a tatkal ticket booked online (e-Ticket) for 3 passengers.
Details are given below:
Train No: 2493 Rajdhani Express
From: Bangalore To: Nagpur
Date of Journey: 18 June, 2010
Current Ticket status:
Passenger 1 - Confirmed B4, 6, CK
Passenger 2 - WL3 / CK
Passenger 3 - WL4 / CK

After a bit of research on waitlists, tatkal quotas etc. I've discovered that CK stands for Tatkal quota.

I reproduce the instructions printed on the e-ticket:

Status of E-tickets after chart preparation

1. Confirmed E ticket –Wait-listed E- ticket where all passengers are confirmed at the time of charting.

2. Partially waitlisted/Confirmed/RAC E ticket - Wait-listed E- ticket where some passengers are confirmed/RAC and others are wait-listed at the time of charting.

3. Fully waitlisted E tickets - Wait-listed E- ticket where all passengers continue to be waitlisted at the time of charting.


Authorization to board the train

1. Passengers with Confirmed E ticket are permitted to board the train. Their names will appear on the chart.

2. Names of passengers with Partially Waitlisted /Confirmed/RAC will appear on the chart (including the Waitlisted passengers).

3. PNRs having Fully waitlisted status will be dropped and names of the passengers will not appear on the chart. They are not allowed to board the train. If full waitlisted passengers are found travelling, they will be treated as without ticket and charged as per extant Railway rules.


Having got the background out of the way, now my question is:

With a partially confirmed e-ticket, the names of the waitlisted passengers would also appear on the chart. Is this applicable to partially confirmed tickets booked under the tatkal quota also?

*Whew*

I'll be happy if someone throws light.

PS: I hope some of the background that I've given is useful to someone.
#2 Jun 16th, 2010, 21:59
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I'm not sure what you're asking for, but whether appearing on any charts or not, I don't think those other two can travel on their waitlisted status no. Unless they move to RAC at least, or preferably confirmed then.

If their seats never come through, the money ought to be automatically refunded to the account that was used to purchase the E-ticket.
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Originally Posted by machadinha View Post I'm not sure what you're asking for, but whether appearing on any charts or not, I don't think those other two can travel on their waitlisted status no. Unless they move to RAC at least, or preferably confirmed then.

If their seats never come through, the money ought to be automatically refunded to the account that was used to purchase the E-ticket.
Thanks for the reply Machadinha, I just now realised that other threads have kind of partially answered my query. I'll get back with the answer after the travel.
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Hi,

For partially W/L tickets, the names of the w/l passangers also appear on the chart alongwith the confirmed passanger. But the w/l passangers' fare will not be refunded to the bank account automatically. They will have to file TDR. Get a note from the Station Master of the originating station that the passangers are not travelling. Otherwise it will be difficult to get refund.

Only fully wait listed e-tickets are automatically cancelled and the money is refunded. In that case the names of the passangers are dropped out of the chart.

This is the rule. But if you can approach the TTE before boarding the train to make some arrangements I hope he can manage.

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Originally Posted by Bisa View Post For partially W/L tickets, the names of the w/l passangers also appear on the chart alongwith the confirmed passanger. But the w/l passangers' fare will not be refunded to the bank account automatically. They will have to file TDR. Get a note from the Station Master of the originating station that the passangers are not travelling. Otherwise it will be difficult to get refund.
Ah, thanks, didn't know this. But they still wouldn't be -- technically -- allowed to travel, right?

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This is the rule. But if you can approach the TTE before boarding the train to make some arrangements I hope he can manage.
Indeed, good addition that I forgot: He may be able to make amends, or perhaps be able to upgrade you, in which case you'd be traveling in a higher class and so paying the difference however. It always pays to have a word with him and see what he can do.

To other readers, the TTE would be the ticket examiner, i.e., conductor.
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Originally Posted by Bisa View Post Hi,

For partially W/L tickets, the names of the w/l passangers also appear on the chart alongwith the confirmed passanger. But the w/l passangers' fare will not be refunded to the bank account automatically.
That means a waitlisted passenger can in principle travel on her e-ticket, because she has a valid fully paid-up ticket.

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They will have to file TDR. Get a note from the Station Master of the originating station that the passangers are not travelling. Otherwise it will be difficult to get refund.
Shudder to think about the process.

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Only fully wait listed e-tickets are automatically cancelled and the money is refunded. In that case the names of the passangers are dropped out of the chart.

This is the rule. But if you can approach the TTE before boarding the train to make some arrangements I hope he can manage.

regards
Bisa
Thanks a lot Bisa, the info you gave is comforting. I presume the same holds true for partially waitlisted tickets under the tatkal quota as well.
Last edited by selvaks; Jun 16th, 2010 at 23:50.. Reason: typo
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Originally Posted by selvaks View Post That means a waitlisted passenger can in principle travel on her e-ticket, because she has a valid fully paid-up ticket.
I somehow doubt that's how the authorities in charge will see it.

I think the entire process should be identical whether you're on the Tatkal quota or not yes, so that shouldn't be the problem. (But I'll gladly stand corrected.)

(For that matter, I never really understand why Tatkal tickets would be sold to be waitlisted anyway, it would seem to somewhat defeat the purpose. But, well, whatever.)
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machadinha: You are right, the waitlisted passengers are technically not allowed to travel. But from my prior experience I have seen its a vague rule and the Traveling Ticket Examiner (TTE) can do a lot by breaking the rules.
I fully support your statement about the waitlisted tatkal tickets. It would seem to somewhat defeat the purpose.

selvaks: It is still not clear why partially w/l passengers' names are published in the chart when there is a rule that w/l passengers are not allowed to travel in reserved compartments. I would suggest you to meet the TTE.

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Originally Posted by Bisa View Post selvaks: It is still not clear why partially w/l passengers' names are published in the chart when there is a rule that w/l passengers are not allowed to travel in reserved compartments. I would suggest you to meet the TTE.

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Most people who book together are usually a group or family travelling together - so allowing the waitlisted passengers on a partially W/L ticket is a convenience for the passengers to atleast travel on the same train in the unreserved compartment, if not in the reserved compartment.

There would be atmost one partially w/l ticket per class per train, which would be a max of 5 w/l passengers per class per train. This number is something that can be accommodated with a little 'adjustment' and the discretion of the TTE.

Thanks once again for the inputs.
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Hi,

Hope you can manage and get seats. Wish you a happy journey in advance.

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Dear selvaks,

##If one is confirmed and the other two still remain in Waiting List EVEN AFTER CHARTING. they can board the train because those two tickets WOULD NOT GET CANCELLED AUTOMATICALLY.
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##But the problem is you are travelling by Rajdhani. If the TTE adjusts the other two passengers, it is fine. If NOT you please tell TTE that you three will sit on the lone Upper Berth (Berth No.6). If he permits, it's o.k.; otherwise, you please perform the journey leaving the other two behind.
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If you cannot leave them behind, then file the TDR through IRCTC, because your's is an E-Ticket and they will take their own sweet time to give your money back.
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Make some alternate arrangement and proceed to NGP.
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Last but not the least, DON'T EVER PURCHASE A WAITLISTED TICKET FOR YOUR JOURNEY ON INDIAN RAILWAYS.
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Dear vsp,

Please let me know the chances for today 4th NOV 2010 from chennai to Madurai - nagercoil express -CKWL1

whether this will get confirm or not

any alternate plan u suggest

Appreciate your early response
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