A Confirmation of Break of Journey

earthly_enigma · Jun 19th, 2009, 15:49

Hello,
My knowledge on BOJ rules is entirely because of threads on the topic in this forum, specially those of Steven. However, some doubts are there ,and want to clear them to be able to make the right decision.
1.) Is BOJ still an allowed rule ?
2.) The following discrepancy doesn't seem very convincing :
Suppose I want to travel from Delhi to Villuparam(near Pondicherry),with a BOJ at Nagpur. The fares are as follows :

Delhi - Villuparam (Direct,No BOJ) in 1A Class=Rs 3401
Delhi - Nagpur in 1A Class=2269
Nagpur - Villuparam in IIA Class=1455

So,if I take a BOJ at Nagpur,and book ticket in 1A,the fare is Rs 3401 but if i take BOJ at Nagpur with ticket from Delhi to Nagpur in 1A and Nagpur to Villuparam in IIA, then the total is 2269+1455=Rs 3724 . So even if I travel a leg in IIA (compared to entire journey in 1A),the fare is higher. So,if I have to break journey but take the different legs in different classes,I don't stand to gain anything in fare ? Is this the case ?
Thanks for answering..

rajered · Jun 19th, 2009, 16:36

Check this link http://www.indianrail.gov.in/break.html
I think you can do this on a single ticket.

earthly_enigma · Jun 19th, 2009, 17:04

Hi,Thanks. But my question is that in the above scenario,would I save anything ? As mentioned, infact,I pay more than what I would have paid if I had travelled entirely in 1A !!

vsp27759 · Jun 19th, 2009, 18:09

Dear enigma,

##You will be permitted to break journey, that too with prior intimation to the PRS & only after crossing the first 500 Kms., only when you possess a ticket for the same class.

##I will give you an example. A few days back, I reserved my Berth in 2A for HWH-VSKP journey by paying Rs.1214. The 3A Fare for VSKP-HYB journey is around Rs.800/-. Subsequently, I cancelled this 2A Ticket and purchased a through 3A Ticket from Howrah to Hyderabad with B/J at VSKP and I paid Rs.1463/-.

##Whether it is IA or 2A, better purchase a through ticket and avail B/J!!!!

earthly_enigma · Jun 19th, 2009, 18:26

Hi VSP,
Thanks.But sorry if I haven't made my query clear. OK,here it is again.

For some reason, if in case of a journey lets say from station A to station C with break journey at B ,in accordance with all the rules , if I have to take ticket from A-B in a different class from B-C ie. for example A-B in 1AC and B-C in IIAC, still though a single ticket.

I have to do it because of availability issue. In some part of the journey,the train may not have that class or the reservation may not be available.So, it is possible to have a requirement of having two different classes on the legs before and after the break journey.

My question is, how is the fare calculated in such a case ?? I had a similar requirement earlier,and when I got the ticket booked -- A single ticket with break journey at an intermediate point -- I didn't save anything other than the irctc service charges ,certainly not worth the pain of going to reservation counter,standing in a queue and getting the tickets. In the example I mention on first post, it is a case where I'd end up paying higher if I do one leg in 1A and second leg in IIA, compared to if I do both legs in 1A -- even if I take a single ticket (NOT TWO SEPARATE TICKETS). Is there some way to have the advantage of telescopic fares in such a scenario ?
Thanks
EE

earthly_enigma · Jun 19th, 2009, 18:34

Hi VSP,
OK,you do mention that BOJ is allowed only if you bear tickets in same class, I missed reading it.
But I have purchased a single ticket with BOJ ,even with different class. Only thing is I didn't get an advantage in the fare.
So,a simple question - is there a way to take advantage of telescopic fares in such a scenario.
Thanks
EE

theyyamdancer · Jun 19th, 2009, 18:38

According to Steven Ber you cannot book a Break Of Journey online.

break journey rule - how to use it in online reservations?

vsp27759 · Jun 19th, 2009, 20:15

Dear enigma,

But I have purchased a single ticket with BOJ ,even with different class. Only thing is I didn't get an advantage in the fare.

##If the first leg is in lower class and the second leg is in higher class, a through ticket will be issued but without telescopic benefit. However, break journey will be allowed.

##If the first leg is in higher class, then the applicable fare for higher class for the entire journey will be collected, if the passenger intends to break his journey, and he will also have the benefit of travelling in a lower class.

##NZM-VM IAC Fare is Rs.3401
NGP-VM 2AC Fare is Rs.1455
NZM-NGP IAC Fare is Rs.2269

##2269+1455=Rs.3724 is certainly greater than Rs.3401.:-)

##So, there is no loss for you,if you purchase through IAC Ticket, avail B/J in NGP and then continue your journey in 2AC.

earthly_enigma · Jul 8th, 2009, 13:24

Hello VSP,
Another doubt to be cleared regarding fare charged for a break journey ticket.I recently purchased ticket from Delhi to Villuparam ,Break journey at Nagpur , and also Villuparam to Delhi,Break journey at Nagpur again. Details as follows :

Delhi-Villuparam
Arriving Nagpur : 26th September, 9:40AM
Leaving Nagpur : 29th September, 12:30PM

Rs 120 (for 3 people) has been charged in the ticket from Nagpur to Villuparam

Villuparam - Delhi
Arriving Nagpur : 5th October, 2:15AM
Leaving Nagpur : 6th October , 12:30PM

The ticket from Nagpur to Delhi is Rs ZERO.

From what I know, in VM-Delhi, since the break at Nagpur is more than 24 hours, it should be treated as Break Journey,and so reservation charges for this leg should also have been collected,like in Delhi-VM case. So,why is it not the case ??
Thanks
Enigma

vsp27759 · Jul 9th, 2009, 11:43

Dear Enigma,

While going to Villupuram, you are NOT taking the connecting train on the day of arrival in NGP. Hence, it is treated as Break Journey, and a charge of Rs.40/- per passenger (child or adult) is collected.

But while going to New Delhi,you are taking the connecting train on the day of arrival in NGP. Hence, it is NOT treated as Break Journey.

earthly_enigma · Jul 9th, 2009, 13:51

Hello VSP,
Thanks for your reply. But, NO, even while returning from Nagpur, as I mention in my previous post, I am not catching the train on the same day. I am arriving in Nagpur on 5th October,2:15AM and leaving Nagpur on 6th October ,12:30 PM. So,infact the date of catching the train is also different,and also there is more than 24 hours of difference.

So ,it should have been considered as a break journey ..right ? So how come ??
Regards
Enigma

vsp27759 · Jul 9th, 2009, 16:16

Dear enigma,

I did not notice the date of your return journey ex.NGP.

The ticket from Nagpur to Delhi is Rs ZERO.

##Yes, they should have collected the Reservation Fees, applicable for the class of your journey, instead of showing NGP-NDLS as "Zero".

earthly_enigma · Jul 9th, 2009, 18:38

Hello,
But the fact is they didn't collect reservation charge. System being computerised,there is not a chance that they missed it..instead it is likely that the rule is different from what we understand. Any idea ??

vsp27759 · Jul 9th, 2009, 22:11

Dear enigma,

instead it is likely that the rule is different from what we understand. Any idea ??

##No chance. There is NO change in the Rule which I have stated. It is only an act of ommission.

##If the TTE observes your ticket, he can collect this amount.

earthly_enigma · Jul 13th, 2009, 11:31

Thanks a lot , VSP

Although,i don't see how it is possible for the reservation clerk to miss taking charges when infact the system is computerised.

Thanks a lot anyways

, you did clarify a lot of my doubts.

Jun 19th, 2009, 18:38	#7
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Jul 8th, 2009, 13:24	#9
earthly_enigma Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Noida Posts: 18	Some more clarity Hello VSP, Another doubt to be cleared regarding fare charged for a break journey ticket.I recently purchased ticket from Delhi to Villuparam ,Break journey at Nagpur , and also Villuparam to Delhi,Break journey at Nagpur again. Details as follows : Delhi-Villuparam Arriving Nagpur : 26th September, 9:40AM Leaving Nagpur : 29th September, 12:30PM Rs 120 (for 3 people) has been charged in the ticket from Nagpur to Villuparam Villuparam - Delhi Arriving Nagpur : 5th October, 2:15AM Leaving Nagpur : 6th October , 12:30PM The ticket from Nagpur to Delhi is Rs ZERO. From what I know, in VM-Delhi, since the break at Nagpur is more than 24 hours, it should be treated as Break Journey,and so reservation charges for this leg should also have been collected,like in Delhi-VM case. So,why is it not the case ?? Thanks Enigma

Jul 9th, 2009, 13:51	#11
earthly_enigma Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Noida Posts: 18	No,some misunderstanding Hello VSP, Thanks for your reply. But, NO, even while returning from Nagpur, as I mention in my previous post, I am not catching the train on the same day. I am arriving in Nagpur on 5th October,2:15AM and leaving Nagpur on 6th October ,12:30 PM. So,infact the date of catching the train is also different,and also there is more than 24 hours of difference. So ,it should have been considered as a break journey ..right ? So how come ?? Regards Enigma

Jul 9th, 2009, 18:38	#13
earthly_enigma Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Noida Posts: 18	Hmmmmmm Hello, But the fact is they didn't collect reservation charge. System being computerised,there is not a chance that they missed it..instead it is likely that the rule is different from what we understand. Any idea ??

Jul 13th, 2009, 11:31	#15
earthly_enigma Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Noida Posts: 18	Thanks Thanks a lot , VSP Although,i don't see how it is possible for the reservation clerk to miss taking charges when infact the system is computerised. Thanks a lot anyways , you did clarify a lot of my doubts.

Jun 19th, 2009, 15:49	#1
earthly_enigma Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Noida Posts: 18	Hello, My knowledge on BOJ rules is entirely because of threads on the topic in this forum, specially those of Steven. However, some doubts are there ,and want to clear them to be able to make the right decision. 1.) Is BOJ still an allowed rule ? 2.) The following discrepancy doesn't seem very convincing : Suppose I want to travel from Delhi to Villuparam(near Pondicherry),with a BOJ at Nagpur. The fares are as follows : Delhi - Villuparam (Direct,No BOJ) in 1A Class=Rs 3401 Delhi - Nagpur in 1A Class=2269 Nagpur - Villuparam in IIA Class=1455 So,if I take a BOJ at Nagpur,and book ticket in 1A,the fare is Rs 3401 but if i take BOJ at Nagpur with ticket from Delhi to Nagpur in 1A and Nagpur to Villuparam in IIA, then the total is 2269+1455=Rs 3724 . So even if I travel a leg in IIA (compared to entire journey in 1A),the fare is higher. So,if I have to break journey but take the different legs in different classes,I don't stand to gain anything in fare ? Is this the case ? Thanks for answering..

Jun 19th, 2009, 16:36	#2
rajered Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Navi Mumbai Posts: 1,184	Check this link http://www.indianrail.gov.in/break.html I think you can do this on a single ticket.

Jun 19th, 2009, 17:04	#3
earthly_enigma Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Noida Posts: 18	Hi,Thanks. But my question is that in the above scenario,would I save anything ? As mentioned, infact,I pay more than what I would have paid if I had travelled entirely in 1A !!

Jun 19th, 2009, 18:09	#4
vsp27759 V.SRINIVASA PRASAD Join Date: May 2005 Location: HYDERABAD Posts: 2,725	Dear enigma, ##You will be permitted to break journey, that too with prior intimation to the PRS & only after crossing the first 500 Kms., only when you possess a ticket for the same class. ##I will give you an example. A few days back, I reserved my Berth in 2A for HWH-VSKP journey by paying Rs.1214. The 3A Fare for VSKP-HYB journey is around Rs.800/-. Subsequently, I cancelled this 2A Ticket and purchased a through 3A Ticket from Howrah to Hyderabad with B/J at VSKP and I paid Rs.1463/-. ##Whether it is IA or 2A, better purchase a through ticket and avail B/J!!!!

Jun 19th, 2009, 18:26	#5
earthly_enigma Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Noida Posts: 18	Hi VSP, Thanks.But sorry if I haven't made my query clear. OK,here it is again. For some reason, if in case of a journey lets say from station A to station C with break journey at B ,in accordance with all the rules , if I have to take ticket from A-B in a different class from B-C ie. for example A-B in 1AC and B-C in IIAC, still though a single ticket. I have to do it because of availability issue. In some part of the journey,the train may not have that class or the reservation may not be available.So, it is possible to have a requirement of having two different classes on the legs before and after the break journey. My question is, how is the fare calculated in such a case ?? I had a similar requirement earlier,and when I got the ticket booked -- A single ticket with break journey at an intermediate point -- I didn't save anything other than the irctc service charges ,certainly not worth the pain of going to reservation counter,standing in a queue and getting the tickets. In the example I mention on first post, it is a case where I'd end up paying higher if I do one leg in 1A and second leg in IIA, compared to if I do both legs in 1A -- even if I take a single ticket (NOT TWO SEPARATE TICKETS). Is there some way to have the advantage of telescopic fares in such a scenario ? Thanks EE

Jun 19th, 2009, 18:34	#6
earthly_enigma Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Noida Posts: 18	Hi VSP, OK,you do mention that BOJ is allowed only if you bear tickets in same class, I missed reading it. But I have purchased a single ticket with BOJ ,even with different class. Only thing is I didn't get an advantage in the fare. So,a simple question - is there a way to take advantage of telescopic fares in such a scenario. Thanks EE

Jun 19th, 2009, 20:15	#8
vsp27759 V.SRINIVASA PRASAD Join Date: May 2005 Location: HYDERABAD Posts: 2,725	Dear enigma, But I have purchased a single ticket with BOJ ,even with different class. Only thing is I didn't get an advantage in the fare. ##If the first leg is in lower class and the second leg is in higher class, a through ticket will be issued but without telescopic benefit. However, break journey will be allowed. ##If the first leg is in higher class, then the applicable fare for higher class for the entire journey will be collected, if the passenger intends to break his journey, and he will also have the benefit of travelling in a lower class. ##NZM-VM IAC Fare is Rs.3401 NGP-VM 2AC Fare is Rs.1455 NZM-NGP IAC Fare is Rs.2269 ##2269+1455=Rs.3724 is certainly greater than Rs.3401.:-) ##So, there is no loss for you,if you purchase through IAC Ticket, avail B/J in NGP and then continue your journey in 2AC.

Jul 9th, 2009, 11:43	#10
vsp27759 V.SRINIVASA PRASAD Join Date: May 2005 Location: HYDERABAD Posts: 2,725	Dear Enigma, While going to Villupuram, you are NOT taking the connecting train on the day of arrival in NGP. Hence, it is treated as Break Journey, and a charge of Rs.40/- per passenger (child or adult) is collected. But while going to New Delhi,you are taking the connecting train on the day of arrival in NGP. Hence, it is NOT treated as Break Journey.

Jul 9th, 2009, 16:16	#12
vsp27759 V.SRINIVASA PRASAD Join Date: May 2005 Location: HYDERABAD Posts: 2,725	Dear enigma, I did not notice the date of your return journey ex.NGP. The ticket from Nagpur to Delhi is Rs ZERO. ##Yes, they should have collected the Reservation Fees, applicable for the class of your journey, instead of showing NGP-NDLS as "Zero".

Jul 9th, 2009, 22:11	#14
vsp27759 V.SRINIVASA PRASAD Join Date: May 2005 Location: HYDERABAD Posts: 2,725	Dear enigma, instead it is likely that the rule is different from what we understand. Any idea ?? ##No chance. There is NO change in the Rule which I have stated. It is only an act of ommission. ##If the TTE observes your ticket, he can collect this amount.

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