The Dark Side

snowcrab · Feb 5th, 2005, 03:24

The Dark Side of one of IM's favorite themes.

(US) An immigration law signed in 1996 can get legal immigrants deported for such minor crimes as peeing in public.

http://www.alternet.org/rights/21154/

Idli · Feb 5th, 2005, 03:56

I am glad I did not get stuck in the recent huge traffic jam (Some people took up 12 hours to get home, some did not even bother to go home) in North carolina. TV news crews reported seeing yellow puddles

all over the city. I will have to consider carrying a pisleri bottle in my car, Just in case.

indiamike · Feb 5th, 2005, 03:58

That story is full of half truths.

First off, Sor Vann is from Cambodia and says he is a construction worker in Texas. Yeah right, I believe that one.

I can guarantee there is not one construction worker from Cambodia in the entire US. It just does not happen.

And in Texas no less.....

...I don't think so.

Second you would just get a ticket for urinating in public on a private job site like that and he must have done something else to get arrested and to have a parole officer assigned to him.

Seriously, job sites are required to have restrooms and the builder usually would get a fine in a case like this. Not the worker. So he must have waved his 'jimmy' as somebody to piss them off (no pun intended) to get arrested.

This is one of the articles when you read it you can smell somebody somewhere sniffing to make a lawsuit and trying to get money.

I believe half the article but I think the rest is made up.

Hell I would be pissing in public all the time then to get arrested and telling them I am from the Bahamas or something and need to be deported back

.

snowcrab · Feb 5th, 2005, 04:29

Guys have it so easy. Now when a lady wants to pee in public, that's exposure.

But on a more serious note: Just in todays news

Deportation is a pretty heavy threat. But there doesn’t seem to be much rhyme or reason to how it is used. This guy cost a Federal minister her job, but even with a not too savory past in India he was able to stay in the country for a long time with appeals.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/natio...ngh050203.html

http://www.macleans.ca/topstories/po...tent=n0201111A

How humane is this deportation? How happily will he be greeted in England?. Met another guy like this in my own home town.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/natio...ion050203.html

Then there are some reasons of compassion for bending some rules

http://www.canada.com/ottawa/ottawac...0-aa1002eae208

But why not here?

http://communications.uwo.ca/western...sting_id=17507

And this is just crazy when you think of the costs involved.

http://www2.townonline.com/acton/opi...ticleid=177858

When I went to the FTAA Demo in Quebec City 2001 one of our group was a Mexican national studying in Canada. She was very careful to stay out of all the street action because she was honestly terrified of being deported a couple of weeks before she had completed her year’s study.

I’m inclined to believe that deportation and threats of the same are being used in a very manipulative way that definitely trashes the spirit of the law. I have no reason to believe the states is any better than us in this regard.

steven_ber · Feb 5th, 2005, 13:09

A country is simply the home of many people.

Compassion IS inviting someone to stay in your home.

If this person then decides to break the rules of the house, they have to go.

A point's system would be a compromise, the more serious a crime, the more points given to the offender, once the offender passes a pre-determined number of points, they are deported.

If they are grateful for their new home, they will not break the law.

If I entered your house and lit up a cigarette, even though you asked me not to, you would ask me to leave, and you would be right.

nedhopkins · Feb 5th, 2005, 13:39

The report is quite believable.

Over 30 years ago a business associate and I got badly lost looking for a hotel in St Petersburg, Florida. After more than an hour wandering around, I needed to pee badly. (A couple of years later I was diagnosed with prostate cancer, one symptom of which is 'bladder urgency.') Seeing a likely spot off the highway, I asked my associate to pull over. I walked about 30 yards to a wire fence and began relieving myself.

Just as I finished I felt a hard item pressed against my head. 'Turn around real slow ...,' a voice said. I did. I was looking into some kind of pistol held by a local cop.

When I showed him my driver's license the cop fairly exploded: 'You pee in the streets back in New York!?' I didn't remind him that I'd walked 30 yards down a grassy incline, putting myself well out of sight of any passing motorist; and I resisted the impulse to tell him he was a piece of something I had not excreted.

After lecturing me on my need to exercise more control, the cop let me go. I can well believe, however, that if I had been a Cambodian -- much less an African-American -- things would not have turned out nearly so well.

edwardseco · Feb 6th, 2005, 09:25

Well, I had a couple of construction workers get randy and go at it by a city street in Texas no less. Nobody got arrested but I got some nasty phone calls from passing motorists. Bugger them all, on second thought I'll rephrase that..

Feb 5th, 2005, 03:24	#1
snowcrab Maha Guru Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alberta, Can Posts: 1,028	The Dark Side The Dark Side of one of IM's favorite themes. (US) An immigration law signed in 1996 can get legal immigrants deported for such minor crimes as peeing in public. http://www.alternet.org/rights/21154/

Feb 5th, 2005, 04:29	#4
snowcrab Maha Guru Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alberta, Can Posts: 1,028	The Dark Side Guys have it so easy. Now when a lady wants to pee in public, that's exposure. But on a more serious note: Just in todays news Deportation is a pretty heavy threat. But there doesn’t seem to be much rhyme or reason to how it is used. This guy cost a Federal minister her job, but even with a not too savory past in India he was able to stay in the country for a long time with appeals. http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/natio...ngh050203.html http://www.macleans.ca/topstories/po...tent=n0201111A How humane is this deportation? How happily will he be greeted in England?. Met another guy like this in my own home town. http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/natio...ion050203.html Then there are some reasons of compassion for bending some rules http://www.canada.com/ottawa/ottawac...0-aa1002eae208 But why not here? http://communications.uwo.ca/western...sting_id=17507 And this is just crazy when you think of the costs involved. http://www2.townonline.com/acton/opi...ticleid=177858 When I went to the FTAA Demo in Quebec City 2001 one of our group was a Mexican national studying in Canada. She was very careful to stay out of all the street action because she was honestly terrified of being deported a couple of weeks before she had completed her year’s study. I’m inclined to believe that deportation and threats of the same are being used in a very manipulative way that definitely trashes the spirit of the law. I have no reason to believe the states is any better than us in this regard. Last edited by snowcrab : Feb 5th, 2005 at 06:58. Reason: addition

Feb 5th, 2005, 13:09	#5
steven_ber Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: London, England. Posts: 8,927	A country is simply the home of many people. Compassion IS inviting someone to stay in your home. If this person then decides to break the rules of the house, they have to go. A point's system would be a compromise, the more serious a crime, the more points given to the offender, once the offender passes a pre-determined number of points, they are deported. If they are grateful for their new home, they will not break the law. If I entered your house and lit up a cigarette, even though you asked me not to, you would ask me to leave, and you would be right. __________________ . How to get helpful replies to your transport/Itinerary questions. Train information.

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Feb 5th, 2005, 03:56	#2
Idli Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: USA Posts: 41	I am glad I did not get stuck in the recent huge traffic jam (Some people took up 12 hours to get home, some did not even bother to go home) in North carolina. TV news crews reported seeing yellow puddles all over the city. I will have to consider carrying a pisleri bottle in my car, Just in case.

Feb 5th, 2005, 03:58	#3
indiamike Retired Admin Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: New Joisey for now Posts: 1,760	That story is full of half truths. First off, Sor Vann is from Cambodia and says he is a construction worker in Texas. Yeah right, I believe that one. I can guarantee there is not one construction worker from Cambodia in the entire US. It just does not happen. And in Texas no less..... ...I don't think so. Second you would just get a ticket for urinating in public on a private job site like that and he must have done something else to get arrested and to have a parole officer assigned to him. Seriously, job sites are required to have restrooms and the builder usually would get a fine in a case like this. Not the worker. So he must have waved his 'jimmy' as somebody to piss them off (no pun intended) to get arrested. This is one of the articles when you read it you can smell somebody somewhere sniffing to make a lawsuit and trying to get money. I believe half the article but I think the rest is made up. Hell I would be pissing in public all the time then to get arrested and telling them I am from the Bahamas or something and need to be deported back .

Feb 5th, 2005, 13:39	#6
nedhopkins Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: California Posts: 230	The report is quite believable. Over 30 years ago a business associate and I got badly lost looking for a hotel in St Petersburg, Florida. After more than an hour wandering around, I needed to pee badly. (A couple of years later I was diagnosed with prostate cancer, one symptom of which is 'bladder urgency.') Seeing a likely spot off the highway, I asked my associate to pull over. I walked about 30 yards to a wire fence and began relieving myself. Just as I finished I felt a hard item pressed against my head. 'Turn around real slow ...,' a voice said. I did. I was looking into some kind of pistol held by a local cop. When I showed him my driver's license the cop fairly exploded: 'You pee in the streets back in New York!?' I didn't remind him that I'd walked 30 yards down a grassy incline, putting myself well out of sight of any passing motorist; and I resisted the impulse to tell him he was a piece of something I had not excreted. After lecturing me on my need to exercise more control, the cop let me go. I can well believe, however, that if I had been a Cambodian -- much less an African-American -- things would not have turned out nearly so well.

Feb 6th, 2005, 09:25	#7
edwardseco Maha Guru Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Land that shakes and bakes. Posts: 3,784	Well, I had a couple of construction workers get randy and go at it by a city street in Texas no less. Nobody got arrested but I got some nasty phone calls from passing motorists. Bugger them all, on second thought I'll rephrase that..

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