Pooram the age-old festival is under threat

kiranlal · Mar 26th, 2007, 11:50

THRISSUR: The Thiruvambadi and Paramekkavu Devaswoms have decided to hold a small-scale version of the Thrissur Pooram, with a minor `Ezhunnelippu' (ceremonial procession) featuring a single elephant, if the alleged crisis faced by the festival is not solved.

read more - http://www.hindu.com/2007/03/26/stor...2611860400.htm

sudheer poppa · Mar 26th, 2007, 13:19

Almost a nightmare to have a pooram without panchavadyam and fireworks..

sirensongs · Mar 26th, 2007, 23:03

What exactly is the problem - just the noise-pollution rules? It isn't clear from the article.

You just can't have a Kerala temple utsav without lots of elephants, and panchvadya.

kiranlal · Mar 26th, 2007, 23:35

Yes it is the noice pollution at night ,they are trying to get an excepmtion, there are 1000s of small temples blowing Bolly wood music all night in the name of Festivals in kerala, i can not even imagine how can they stop the pooram

sirensongs · Mar 26th, 2007, 23:42

Considering its status as *the* Kerala temple festival, really it should be an exception.

Can someone explain to be the difference between panchvadya and chennamaddalam? (I think Chennamaddalam is just percussion?)

kiranlal · Mar 27th, 2007, 00:02

panchavadhayam is the combination of five including the chenda , kombu,elathalam kombu, kuzal . i hope it is correct

it includes the percussions, the metals and the horns etc

sudheer poppa · Mar 27th, 2007, 00:24

Wiki has a fair explanation on Panchavadyam.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panchavadyam

SS - Maddalam is a generic term for most drums. I am not too sure about chenna maddalam, but Nick is the resident expert..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madhalam

sirensongs · Mar 27th, 2007, 00:26

I think it's actually chenda maddalam. Chenda is the (main) Kerala temple drum, or so I thought. I guess CM is a group of chenda. ?

Nick-H · Mar 27th, 2007, 02:04

Chenda is the straight-sided drum which is hit with sticks. It is made by simply stretching the skins over the ends of the drum.

Maddalam is a double-ended drum, of much more complex, multi-layered structure, which is played with both hands.

Try googling for kathakali, and you should get to see both these instruments.

kiranlal · Mar 27th, 2007, 08:41

finally the pooram is back again in its original form

The Supreme Court on Monday permitted bursting of firecrackers as part of the Thrissur Pooram festivities in Kerala in April along with the customary playing of musical instruments.

read more
http://www.hindu.com/2007/03/27/stor...2701410700.htm

capt_mahajan · Mar 27th, 2007, 09:18

"Ducking beforehand"

My knowledge of this festival is zero.

But, for example (if there is a parallel at all), on Diwali, I am not unhappy to see restrictions on noise in some cities.

I admit its because I am older; as a kid I contributed as much to the noise as anybody else, and so did my kids before they grew up a bit.

But Bollywood music? That can't be traditional.

Bigzero · Mar 27th, 2007, 11:57

Capt., better stay away from Trichur then

The noise is deafening. Glass windows of some buildings in the periphery are said to crack because of the vibrations.

Sirensongs, I guess you are referring to Chenda Melam. Chenda melam --> an orchestra consisting primarily of chendas.

check the link below.

http://www.bl.uk/collections/sound-a...tmkerala4.html

panchari melam, pandi melam etc are some types of chenda melams.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panchari_melam

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandi_Melam

The melams mentioned above do have some wind/reed instruments called kombu, kuzhal etc as well, apart from cymbals(elathalam). Chenda dominates the scene. bigger events will have dozens of chendas.

Thayambaka is another chenda event, smaller in scale, and with only cymbals for support.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thayambaka

Panchavadyam is completely different - it doesnt have chenda to start with. maddalam, thimila and edakka are the percussion instruments, accompanied by the cymbal ( elathalam ) and trumpet ( kombu ).

Hope this helps...

Nick-H · Mar 27th, 2007, 12:24

The firecracker noise here for Divali is just horrible.

Mar 26th, 2007, 11:50	#1
kiranlal The only one of its kind Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Trivandrum,Kerala,India,Malaysia,Singapore Posts: 521	Pooram the age-old festival is under threat THRISSUR: The Thiruvambadi and Paramekkavu Devaswoms have decided to hold a small-scale version of the Thrissur Pooram, with a minor `Ezhunnelippu' (ceremonial procession) featuring a single elephant, if the alleged crisis faced by the festival is not solved. read more - http://www.hindu.com/2007/03/26/stor...2611860400.htm __________________ A big world and small people

Mar 26th, 2007, 13:19	#2
sudheer poppa Senior brick in the wall Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Pole Posts: 1,475	Almost a nightmare to have a pooram without panchavadyam and fireworks.. __________________ We must learn to live together as brothers or perish together as fools - MLK Pic Page 1 Pic Page 2 When my life changed over a week Last edited by sudheer poppa : Mar 27th, 2007 at 00:21.

Mar 26th, 2007, 23:03	#3
sirensongs Eeny meeny mango Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: All India Permit (somewhere between Delhi & Dharamsala) Posts: 1,213	What exactly is the problem - just the noise-pollution rules? It isn't clear from the article. You just can't have a Kerala temple utsav without lots of elephants, and panchvadya. __________________ *"Why do people go to India to find themselves? India is where you go to lose* yourself."** Feringhee: The India Diaries

Mar 26th, 2007, 23:35	#4
kiranlal The only one of its kind Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Trivandrum,Kerala,India,Malaysia,Singapore Posts: 521	pooram Yes it is the noice pollution at night ,they are trying to get an excepmtion, there are 1000s of small temples blowing Bolly wood music all night in the name of Festivals in kerala, i can not even imagine how can they stop the pooram

Mar 27th, 2007, 02:04	#9
Nick-H Loud-mouthed, Noisy Bird Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 25,811	Chenda is the straight-sided drum which is hit with sticks. It is made by simply stretching the skins over the ends of the drum. Maddalam is a double-ended drum, of much more complex, multi-layered structure, which is played with both hands. Try googling for kathakali, and you should get to see both these instruments. __________________ . Just one member of the IndiaMike Mod Team

Mar 26th, 2007, 23:42	#5
sirensongs Eeny meeny mango Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: All India Permit (somewhere between Delhi & Dharamsala) Posts: 1,213	Considering its status as the Kerala temple festival, really it should be an exception. Can someone explain to be the difference between panchvadya and chennamaddalam? (I think Chennamaddalam is just percussion?)

Mar 27th, 2007, 00:02	#6
kiranlal The only one of its kind Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Trivandrum,Kerala,India,Malaysia,Singapore Posts: 521	panchavadhayam is the combination of five including the chenda , kombu,elathalam kombu, kuzal . i hope it is correct it includes the percussions, the metals and the horns etc

Mar 27th, 2007, 00:24	#7
sudheer poppa Senior brick in the wall Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Pole Posts: 1,475	Wiki has a fair explanation on Panchavadyam. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panchavadyam SS - Maddalam is a generic term for most drums. I am not too sure about chenna maddalam, but Nick is the resident expert.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madhalam

Mar 27th, 2007, 00:26	#8
sirensongs Eeny meeny mango Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: All India Permit (somewhere between Delhi & Dharamsala) Posts: 1,213	I think it's actually chenda maddalam. Chenda is the (main) Kerala temple drum, or so I thought. I guess CM is a group of chenda. ?

Mar 27th, 2007, 08:41	#10
kiranlal The only one of its kind Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Trivandrum,Kerala,India,Malaysia,Singapore Posts: 521	Supreme Court permits bursting of firecrackers in Thrissur Pooram finally the pooram is back again in its original form The Supreme Court on Monday permitted bursting of firecrackers as part of the Thrissur Pooram festivities in Kerala in April along with the customary playing of musical instruments. read more http://www.hindu.com/2007/03/27/stor...2701410700.htm

Mar 27th, 2007, 09:18	#11
capt_mahajan (in charge of navel affairs) Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: India Posts: 9,724	"Ducking beforehand" My knowledge of this festival is zero. But, for example (if there is a parallel at all), on Diwali, I am not unhappy to see restrictions on noise in some cities. I admit its because I am older; as a kid I contributed as much to the noise as anybody else, and so did my kids before they grew up a bit. But Bollywood music? That can't be traditional.

Mar 27th, 2007, 11:57	#12
Bigzero back to my old ways Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 1,444	Capt., better stay away from Trichur then The noise is deafening. Glass windows of some buildings in the periphery are said to crack because of the vibrations. Sirensongs, I guess you are referring to Chenda Melam. Chenda melam --> an orchestra consisting primarily of chendas. check the link below. http://www.bl.uk/collections/sound-a...tmkerala4.html panchari melam, pandi melam etc are some types of chenda melams. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panchari_melam http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandi_Melam The melams mentioned above do have some wind/reed instruments called kombu, kuzhal etc as well, apart from cymbals(elathalam). Chenda dominates the scene. bigger events will have dozens of chendas. Thayambaka is another chenda event, smaller in scale, and with only cymbals for support. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thayambaka Panchavadyam is completely different - it doesnt have chenda to start with. maddalam, thimila and edakka are the percussion instruments, accompanied by the cymbal ( elathalam ) and trumpet ( kombu ). Hope this helps... __________________ miles to go.... Bigzero's Photo Gallery

Mar 27th, 2007, 12:24	#13
Nick-H Loud-mouthed, Noisy Bird Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 25,811	The firecracker noise here for Divali is just horrible.

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